April 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Redline Smalltalk

by Michael Haupt

Hi, 2010/4/6 Dan Ingalls <Dan(a)squeakland.org>: > I think you know of my JSqueak project (a.k.a. Potato) -- a Squeak VM > written in Java.Â The image that I used with it, is the same that I always > use for this kind of experiment -- mini.image built in Squeak 2.2. > The reason it is so cool is that it includes browser, editor, compiler, > inspector debugger, and files -- everything you need for self-support.Â Plus > it has the decompiler, and special temp-name hack, so you can actually > browse sources with temp names before any file system works.Â My favorite > thing about this image is that although it is only 600k, if you decompile > all its sources, it comprises over 850k of Smalltalk, so it's like a > compressed version of the sources with a full-function IDE thrown in for > free ;-). > ... > I haven't looked recently, but I think you'll find Mini2.2.image or > something like it in the same place where all the historical releases of > Squeak are kept.Â Let me know if you can't find it. let me add that the project - it is unfortunately in a somewhat dormant state due to lack of manpower - can be found here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/potatovm/ Some extensions to the original JSqueak were implemented; mostly they had to do with colour and font handling. The VM also includes an optimisation for Large...Integer objects, utilising Java BigIntegers as shadows. HPI students once approached a JIT compiler (not finished); the code is available by request. Best, Michael

April 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Linux VM microbenchmarks

by laurent laffont

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > btw, in all the version you provided there is no free type pluglin > ? Should be here... What's the output of your ../unix/cmake/configure command ? Laurent Laffont > > Hilaire > > laurent laffont a Ã©crit : > >> Thanks a lot Hilaire. And if you still have some courage :) here's one >> with awk gnuification. (You need to have gawk package installed: >> >> apt-get install gawk) >> >> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/squeakvm-pharo-2151-src.tar.gz >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Hilaire Fernandes < >> hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Here are my numbers >> >> Hilaire >> >> -O1 >> 82527401 bytecodes/sec; 4334942 sends/sec >> 82580645 bytecodes/sec; 4326332 sends/sec >> 82633957 bytecodes/sec; 4334942 sends/sec >> 82156611 bytecodes/sec; 4330633 sends/sec >> 81841432 bytecodes/sec; 4352264 sends/sec >> >> -O2 >> >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4436220 sends/sec >> 86544962 bytecodes/sec; 4501376 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4507132 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4487049 sends/sec >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4498503 sends/sec >> >> -O3 >> 80655324 bytecodes/sec; 4300707 sends/sec >> 80250783 bytecodes/sec; 4304957 sends/sec >> 80050031 bytecodes/sec; 4279584 sends/sec >> 80351537 bytecodes/sec; 4292233 sends/sec >> 80452545 bytecodes/sec; 4304957 sends/sec >> >> -O2; gnuified >> 118738404 bytecodes/sec; 5217731 sends/sec >> 118959107 bytecodes/sec; 5210018 sends/sec >> 118959107 bytecodes/sec; 5202328 sends/sec >> 118299445 bytecodes/sec; 5213872 sends/sec >> 118848653 bytecodes/sec; 5198491 sends/sec >> >> Exupery >> 201099764 bytecodes/sec; 5840227 sends/sec >> 201099764 bytecodes/sec; 5903814 sends/sec >> 200469851 bytecodes/sec; 5908763 sends/sec >> 200784313 bytecodes/sec; 5879195 sends/sec >> 201416207 bytecodes/sec; 5898874 sends/sec >> >> >> laurent laffont a Ã©crit : >> >> Thanks Hilaire. >> >> Could you try with this source ? It has gnuification (using >> Gnuified.st). On my machine it's a little slower but may be it >> makes a big difference on yours. >> On my machine, I have almost the same result with Exupery and >> Squeak VM :( >> wget >> >> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-gnuified-src… >> >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Hilaire Fernandes >> <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com> >> <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com >> <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Laurent, >> >> I runned the same benchmark with Exupery, here is >> >> Exupery >> 202371541 bytecodes/sec; 5948654 sends/sec >> 201574803 bytecodes/sec; 5948654 sends/sec >> 201416207 bytecodes/sec; 5933632 sends/sec >> 202531645 bytecodes/sec; 5903814 sends/sec >> 201892744 bytecodes/sec; 5938631 sends/sec >> >> >> -O2 (compiled source code from the archive you provided) >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4436220 sends/sec >> 86544962 bytecodes/sec; 4501376 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4507132 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4487049 sends/sec >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4498503 sends/sec >> >> You better check with Bryce. >> >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>> >> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Linux VM microbenchmarks

by laurent laffont

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > With gawk > > gawk, -O2 > 195121951 bytecodes/sec; 6490934 sends/sec > 195569136 bytecodes/sec; 6526995 sends/sec > 195569136 bytecodes/sec; 6533044 sends/sec > 196168582 bytecodes/sec; 6496917 sends/sec > 194086429 bytecodes/sec; 6508915 sends/sec > > > What this latest change to the source code of the VM ? > Hi Hilaire, this is the revision 2151 of squeak-vm (as described in Adrian's post: http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/blog?article=building-a-pharo-squeak-vm-from-… ) The 2 patch I've applied: - http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/ft2plugin.patch which makes build of FT2Plugin works - http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/CFLAGS.patch which resolve multiple CFLAGS options to work Then I take a Pharo Core 1.0 image, load VMMaker in: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfVMMaker'; load. (Smalltalk at:#ConfigurationOfVMMaker) project lastVersion load. Correct header in FTPlugin class>>declareCVarsIn: cg ... cg addHeaderFile: '<freetype/tttables.h>'. ... All plugins but UUID external (if UUID external, my VM crashes, so I put it internal and it works). Then apply the procedure http://magaloma.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-i-build-squeak-vm-on-archlinux.htm… will write an update) Laurent Laffont > Hilaire > > laurent laffont a Ã©crit : > >> Thanks a lot Hilaire. And if you still have some courage :) here's one >> with awk gnuification. (You need to have gawk package installed: >> >> apt-get install gawk) >> >> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/squeakvm-pharo-2151-src.tar.gz >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Hilaire Fernandes < >> hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Here are my numbers >> >> Hilaire >> >> -O1 >> 82527401 bytecodes/sec; 4334942 sends/sec >> 82580645 bytecodes/sec; 4326332 sends/sec >> 82633957 bytecodes/sec; 4334942 sends/sec >> 82156611 bytecodes/sec; 4330633 sends/sec >> 81841432 bytecodes/sec; 4352264 sends/sec >> >> -O2 >> >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4436220 sends/sec >> 86544962 bytecodes/sec; 4501376 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4507132 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4487049 sends/sec >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4498503 sends/sec >> >> -O3 >> 80655324 bytecodes/sec; 4300707 sends/sec >> 80250783 bytecodes/sec; 4304957 sends/sec >> 80050031 bytecodes/sec; 4279584 sends/sec >> 80351537 bytecodes/sec; 4292233 sends/sec >> 80452545 bytecodes/sec; 4304957 sends/sec >> >> -O2; gnuified >> 118738404 bytecodes/sec; 5217731 sends/sec >> 118959107 bytecodes/sec; 5210018 sends/sec >> 118959107 bytecodes/sec; 5202328 sends/sec >> 118299445 bytecodes/sec; 5213872 sends/sec >> 118848653 bytecodes/sec; 5198491 sends/sec >> >> Exupery >> 201099764 bytecodes/sec; 5840227 sends/sec >> 201099764 bytecodes/sec; 5903814 sends/sec >> 200469851 bytecodes/sec; 5908763 sends/sec >> 200784313 bytecodes/sec; 5879195 sends/sec >> 201416207 bytecodes/sec; 5898874 sends/sec >> >> >> laurent laffont a Ã©crit : >> >> Thanks Hilaire. >> >> Could you try with this source ? It has gnuification (using >> Gnuified.st). On my machine it's a little slower but may be it >> makes a big difference on yours. >> On my machine, I have almost the same result with Exupery and >> Squeak VM :( >> wget >> >> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/squeak-vm/Squeak-3.11.3.2135-pharo-gnuified-src… >> >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Hilaire Fernandes >> <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com> >> <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com >> <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Laurent, >> >> I runned the same benchmark with Exupery, here is >> >> Exupery >> 202371541 bytecodes/sec; 5948654 sends/sec >> 201574803 bytecodes/sec; 5948654 sends/sec >> 201416207 bytecodes/sec; 5933632 sends/sec >> 202531645 bytecodes/sec; 5903814 sends/sec >> 201892744 bytecodes/sec; 5938631 sends/sec >> >> >> -O2 (compiled source code from the archive you provided) >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4436220 sends/sec >> 86544962 bytecodes/sec; 4501376 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4507132 sends/sec >> 86253369 bytecodes/sec; 4487049 sends/sec >> 87372013 bytecodes/sec; 4498503 sends/sec >> >> You better check with Bryce. >> >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>> >> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Redline Smalltalk

by Dan Ingalls

James Ladd <<mailto:james_ladd@hotmail.com>james_ladd(a)hotmail.com> wrote... >>Hi Pharo-ites, >> >>I'm working on a port of Pharo to the Java Virtual Machine called >>Redline Smalltalk. >>(read more >>here: <http://jamesladdcode.com/?p=323>http://jamesladdcode.com/?p=323) >> >>I'm wanting to port every single class over time, but initially >>enough to get the >>compiler working and have a minimum runtime. >> >>Of the 1600+/- classes which are those necessary to make a small >>workable compiler >>and runtime environment? Hi, James - Bert Freudenberg forwarded this along to me, as I'm not on a Pharo mailing list. I think you know of my JSqueak project (a.k.a. Potato) -- a Squeak VM written in Java. The image that I used with it, is the same that I always use for this kind of experiment -- mini.image built in Squeak 2.2. The reason it is so cool is that it includes browser, editor, compiler, inspector debugger, and files -- everything you need for self-support. Plus it has the decompiler, and special temp-name hack, so you can actually browse sources with temp names before any file system works. My favorite thing about this image is that although it is only 600k, if you decompile all its sources, it comprises over 850k of Smalltalk, so it's like a compressed version of the sources with a full-function IDE thrown in for free ;-). As I said, the image is about 600k, of which 240k is code -- 202 classes (x2 if you count the metas) with 4590 methods. This should be a good guide for you in choosing classes to start with. You can actually run this image live in JSqueak on the web if you have Java installed and the planets are aligned correctly... http://Weather-dimensions.com/Dan/JSqueak.jnlp Another interesting statistic is that the Java .jar file is only 433k, including not only the VM, but also the entire image! This is possible because the image is so small that the pointers in it are mostly zeroes, so it compresses nicely. I just checked that this runs, and was happy to see that it putts along at 21 million bytecodes/sec on my laptop. I haven't looked recently, but I think you'll find Mini2.2.image or something like it in the same place where all the historical releases of Squeak are kept. Let me know if you can't find it. Have fun with your project! I hope this helps - Dan

April 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] How do i import .MCZ into Squeak?

by James Ladd

Hi Pharo, I got the .MCZ package installed, but there is a dependency on RBProgramNode which I can't find. I'm looking for the package / source for RBProgramNode, which I think could just be a image version issue. Is it? Rgs, James. From: james_ladd(a)hotmail.com To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: How do i import .MCZ into Squeak? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:37:02 +1000 Hi Pharo, Please be gentle as it has been a while since I have filed into my image.... I'm looking at this package: http://www.squeaksource.com/@yDzCRgmmKSZ1rdfr/i3M9pl92 I'm wondering how to load it into my Squeak image so I can run it? Rgs, James. Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? _________________________________________________________________ Browse profiles for FREE! Meet local singles online. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

April 6, 2010

[Pharo-project] How do i import .MCZ into Squeak?

by James Ladd

Hi Pharo, Please be gentle as it has been a while since I have filed into my image.... I'm looking at this package: http://www.squeaksource.com/@yDzCRgmmKSZ1rdfr/i3M9pl92 I'm wondering how to load it into my Squeak image so I can run it? Rgs, James. _________________________________________________________________ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/

April 6, 2010

[Pharo-project] Show Actions of a SystemWindow: bug?

by Carla F. Griggio

Hello! I was fooling around with the latest rc3 image and I tried to use the "show actions" option in the menu of a SystemWindow and got this: *MessageNotUnderstood: ToolSet class>>openMessageList:name:autoSelect:* ToolSet class(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #openMessageList:name:autoSelect: SystemWindow(Morph)>>showActions [] in ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>invokeWithEvent: BlockClosure>>ensure: CursorWithMask(Cursor)>>showWhile: ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>invokeWithEvent: ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>mouseUp: ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>handleMouseUp: MouseButtonEvent>>sentTo: ... This is the code in SystemWindow>>showActions: showActions "Put up a message list browser of all the code that this morph would run for mouseUp, mouseDown, mouseMove, mouseEnter, mouseLeave, and mouseLinger. tk 9/13/97" | list cls selector adder | list := SortedCollection new. adder := [:mrClass :mrSel | list add: (MethodReference new setStandardClass: mrClass methodSymbol: mrSel)]. "the eventHandler" self eventHandler ifNotNil: [list := self eventHandler methodRefList. (self eventHandler handlesMouseDown: nil) ifFalse: [adder value: HandMorph value: #grabMorph:]]. "If not those, then non-default raw events" #(#keyStroke: #mouseDown: #mouseEnter: #mouseLeave: #mouseMove: #mouseUp: > #doButtonAction ) do: [:sel | cls := self class whichClassIncludesSelector: sel. cls ifNotNil: ["want more than default behavior" cls == Morph ifFalse: [adder value: cls value: sel]]]. "The mechanism on a Button" (self respondsTo: #actionSelector) ifTrue: ["A button" selector := self actionSelector. cls := self target class whichClassIncludesSelector: selector. cls ifNotNil: ["want more than default behavior" cls == Morph ifFalse: [adder value: cls value: selector]]]. *ToolSet openMessageList: list name: 'Actions of ' , self printString > autoSelect: false* Shouldn't the last line be MessageSet openMessageList: list name: 'Actions of ' , self printString autoSelect: nil ? I tried it and it seemed to work OK, although I never tried that option before so I don't know what was it's original behaviour. Cheers! Carla.

April 6, 2010

[Pharo-project] Mac carbon VM goes to 4.2.4beta1U

by John M McIntosh

In order to wrap up some VM fixes that should be pushed into the Squeak 4.x offering I've compiled up a 4.2.4beta1U VM This will be the last 4.x series of macintosh VMs as the 5.x series gains support. Someone should run the Sunit and smoke test to ensure the VM is sane. Follow the macintosh link from http://www.squeakvm.org/index.html 4.2.4b1 We update to VMMaker 168 Change #versionString from 3.x.x to 4.0.2. Fix loading of image segments that are from older, but compatible image versions. fix bounds bug in primitiveSoundRecordSamples. Add primitiveUtcWithOffset. Provide an explicit imageFormatBackwardCompatibilityVersion Merge some/*lots* of 64bit fixes -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

April 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A port of Pharo: Redline Smalltalk ..

by James Ladd

Hi All, > > jarober says: > > >The reason these "Smalltalk for .NET" and "Smalltalk for the JVM" > >projects never seem to come off is simple - Smalltalk isn't just flat > >text in an editor. Smalltalk is the entire interactive environment. > >It would be fairly simple to get a syntax parser, but it wouldn't be > >Smalltalk. It would be Ruby or Python with Smalltalk syntax. > >Somewhat useful perhaps, but not really Smalltalk. > That is so true! Smalltalk is more than just flat text in an editor, which is why Redline Smalltalk is different. I'm trying to bring out some new features that would even make die-hard Smalltalk environment users envious, and at the same time not make barriers to an uptake by more developers. > Sorry, but I believe that it is the way that had to take commercial > Smalltalk. It surprises to me that Cincom and company do not see it. Well I'd be really happy to do this full-time with Cincom support (if they are listening), and if it can remain free and open source. Cincom? Rgs, James. _________________________________________________________________ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/

April 6, 2010

[Pharo-project] FFI tests

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, Is anyone having success with the FFI tests on Linux? I have been having some weird problems with an RC1 image and noted that many of the tests fail in it. My image builder is almost ready for another attempt at making a newer image, and I will prioritize the tests. I also have an idea or two on how to try to reproduce the problems I am having. Bill

April 6, 2010