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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by Alain Plantec

Hannes Hirzel a Ã©crit : Hi Hannes Unfortunately you've took the wrong version :) SystemSettings and registrable menu are in 1.1. Please, take the core and browse again. I suggest you to first take a look at registrable menu implementation. only 2 classes : MenuRegistration and PragmaMenuBuilder. see also the class side of MenuRegistrationExample. The settings implementation is a little bit more complicated but only because of the UI. The setting browser and the setting declaration model are in System-Settings-* sys cat. (removable) The Setting-* sys categories contain all settings declaration (they are removable and do not depend on ANY other setting related package thanks to the builder pattern). They are declared in order to allow their browsing through the use of the SettingBrowser. Preferences are simply class variables which are declared locally where they are used (as in Squeak but without pragma) Pragma discovering for menu and settings makes use of PragmaCollector (see the class comment). I can explain more but please browse the code before. > QUESTIONS > A. The fact that you refer me to Google and the Nabble list to find > out the result of your pragma discussion has to be read as - there is > no such document yet. Is this correct? > a documentation about the setting framework in under construction. > B. Is there a list of pragmas and how they are supposed to be used? > <systemsettings> and <worldMenu> browse all senders to #systemsettings and to #worldMenu to find all settings and menu items declarations. > C. How do you want to handle the menus with pragmas? (It seems that > Pharo is not much further advanced in this area). > again, in 1.1, the world menu is fully dynamically built using pragma (the same implementation scheme as for settings is used). Cheers Alain > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] "The World of Smalltalk" launch

by Alexandre Bergel

> Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >> >> OfT, why -4 ? :-) >> >> > > What's OfT? Out of Topic Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint in Argentina

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

If is a sunday, I can try to help some hours by IRC/skype/Twitter. I've already signed the agreement, Stef you received it? Cheers. GermÃ n. 2010/4/28 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > good point. It would be nice to have a diffusion on twitter as well. > > Something important, people who want to join need to sign the license > agreement: > > http://www.pharo-project.org/license > http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/PharoSoftwareDistributionAgre… > > If you have problem to send surface mail, then send me a .pdf, I will mail > to Stef. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 28 Apr 2010, at 12:13, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> This is good I would like to try to be on irc to help you. >> >> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint during May 17 and May 23. >>> An entry has been added to the page >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints >>> Please, add your name if you wish to participate. >>> >>> The date and the location hasn't been defined yet. Some people proposed >>> to do it in Rosario instead of Buenos Aires? >>> I set up two doodle: >>> Choose the day: >>> http://www.doodle.com/fhb84vcu2df2amkq >>> >>> Choose the location: >>> http://www.doodle.com/tte9fwnbnqk6ekbz >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] "The World of Smalltalk" launch

by Geert Claes

Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > OfT, why -4 ? :-) > > What's OfT? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-World-of-Smalltalk-launch-tp2073793p2073910.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by Lukas Renggli

> 2 .There are five classes which contain 'Pragma'. > Only Pragma has a class comment. It is very similar to the one in Squeak 4.1. Pragmas were forcibly added in Squeak 3.9 to catch up with the modern world. > 7) Looking at the menu construction code of TheWorldMenu and > TheWorldMenuMainDockingbar I do not find anything interesting > regarding pragmas. All is hard wired. Check out Pharo 1.1, this is where the setting and the menus are built using pragmas. > B. Is there a list of pragmas and how they are supposed to be used? Pragmas are not declared statically as this is the case in VisualWorks. A class that uses certain pragmas should document it of course, but similar to the way you can send any message and define any message you can define any pragma and search for any pragma. It's dynamic as with message sends. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Hannes Hirzel wrote: > > OK, 15 minutes > > 1. I open the Pharo 1.0 One-click image and type 'Pragma' in the search browser. > (Note: it is not pristine, I have loaded Pier2 into it) > Thie menu pragmas are not in 1.0, just 1.1. > 2 .There are five classes which contain 'Pragma'. > Only Pragma has a class comment. It is very similar to the one in Squeak 4.1. > Yes, we (Lukas and myself) added them to Squeak 3.9. > > 5) I realize that the ones in group 4b) are very few. I have not found > any pragma yet related to the menu definition. > This is only in 1.1UNSTABLE > QUESTIONS > A. The fact that you refer me to Google and the Nabble list to find > out the result of your pragma discussion has to be read as - there is > no such document yet. Is this correct? > Yes. We write lots of ducumentation, but that one not yet... > B. Is there a list of pragmas and how they are supposed to be used? > No. > C. How do you want to handle the menus with pragmas? (It seems that > Pharo is not much further advanced in this area). > For MessageNames, the definiton looks like this: menuCommandOn: aBuilder <worldMenu> (aBuilder item: #'Message Names') parent: #Tools; action:[self openMessageNames]; icon: self taskbarIcon. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] "The World of Smalltalk" launch

by Alexandre Bergel

> Alexandre Bergel-4 wrote: >> >> Looks good. Byt what is the difference with PlanetSmalltalk? >> > > Planet Smalltalk is a collection on blogs and www.world.st links to > it from > the Community > Weblogs link. Ok. OfT, why -4 ? :-) Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Menu Registries

by Hannes Hirzel

On 4/28/10, Henrik Sperre Johansen <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: > On 28.04.2010 17:47, Brent Pinkney wrote: >> Hi all,+ >> >> Could those in the know comment on how this<...> proposal is (or is not) >> consistent with the fundamental Smalltalk principles >> that: >> >> 1. "an object is send a message and responds with an object" >> 2. there is no other "magic" in the system. >> > Take 15 mins to read the code dealing with Pragma preferences, and you'd > have your answer. > The short answer is no, they just provide a different way of dynamically > deciding what message you want to send. > The closest equivalent would be the logic used to decide which > ImageReadWriter subclass to actually use. > > Cheers, > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > Henry I took your piece of advice of using 15 minutes to check out what Pharo pragma/method annotation wise and below is what I discovered. You might want directly to jump to the end for 3 questions --Hannes OK, 15 minutes 1. I open the Pharo 1.0 One-click image and type 'Pragma' in the search browser. (Note: it is not pristine, I have loaded Pier2 into it) 2 .There are five classes which contain 'Pragma'. Only Pragma has a class comment. It is very similar to the one in Squeak 4.1. 3. In this comment I am offered to evaluate a) SystemNavigation default browseAllSelect: [:m| m pragmas notEmpty] and to browse all nonprimitive methods with pragmas evaluate b) SystemNavigation default browseAllSelect: [:m| m primitive isZero and: [m pragmas notEmpty]] a) gives me 971 methods with pragmas in it, b) 219 - these are the ones of interest - the non primitive ones 4) Looking at the 219 pragmas reveals the following examples a) Very frequent ones - they deal with configuration managment <version: '1.0-baseline'> <version: '2.0' imports: #('2.0-baseline')> b) The ones of interest for the current discussion <cleanup> <value: 'children' comment: 'Display immediate children of the current structure.'> <sanitize> <systemsettings> <lint: 'Unnecessary "= true"' rationale: 'Property can be nil I imagine' author: 'stephane.ducasse'> <ignoreForCoverage> 5) I realize that the ones in group 4b) are very few. I have not found any pragma yet related to the menu definition. 6) I decide to go search for 'World' I find the classes TheWorldMenu, TheWorldMenuProvider,TheWorldMenuMainDockingbar which are of interest. They all have class comments which is fine. In addition I find TheWorldMainDockingBar instance openDockingBar which I execute and to my suprise I realize that Pharo has as well a regular menu though with funny cartoon icons. The entries are however not worked out yet and this is probably the reason why it is not activated by default. 7) Looking at the menu construction code of TheWorldMenu and TheWorldMenuMainDockingbar I do not find anything interesting regarding pragmas. All is hard wired. 8) You wrote that you had the pragma discussion one year ago, so I was expecting something more to be in 1.0. Maybe I should have checked out 1.1 alpha? 9) As the 15 minutes are nearly over I start to use the time for some final questions. QUESTIONS A. The fact that you refer me to Google and the Nabble list to find out the result of your pragma discussion has to be read as - there is no such document yet. Is this correct? B. Is there a list of pragmas and how they are supposed to be used? C. How do you want to handle the menus with pragmas? (It seems that Pharo is not much further advanced in this area).

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] "The World of Smalltalk" launch

by Geert Claes

Alexandre Bergel-4 wrote: > > Looks good. Byt what is the difference with PlanetSmalltalk? > Planet Smalltalk is a collection on blogs and www.world.st links to it from the Community > Weblogs link. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-World-of-Smalltalk-launch-tp2073793p2073880.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Software update

by Mike MÃ¼ller

The agreement is signed and I will send it tomorrow. 2010/4/28 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > could you send me your license agreement if not already done?

April 28, 2010