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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Gofer Project Loader 1.0 (BETA)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi Adrian, On 2010-03-17 11:15:10 -0300, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> said: > Hi Esteban > > Looks cool! I haven't had time to test it out in depth yet, but here > three questions: > > - does it keep memory of which projects are loaded? Is this what you > refer to as "managed projects"? Yes, it keeps a list of "managed projects" (with itself as the first one) so it can check for new versions, etc. > - would it make sense to integrate it into Gofer? I don't know... this is a "mixer" between Gofer and Metacello. If we integrate it with Gofer core, suddenly we wil be creating a new dependence package to add to core (Metacello)... of course, Metacello can be loaded "at first project load" just like now "at first configuration loaded", but I don't know if this is desirable... your choice more than mine :) What will be cool is to include the gofer project loader into PharoDev distributions. > - any idea about how we go to differentiate "stable" and "unstable" > universes for each Pharo version? How does the user know which version > is the one he needs for his version of Pharo? Sorry, this is not > directly related to the Gofer Project Loader but I think it is the next > important step towards a working package management system! No clue... maybe we need to add to Metacello a new "dependence dimension", like "minimum version of distribution"... but Dale can be much more helpful than me in this area. Cheers, Esteban

March 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Gofer Project Loader 1.0 (BETA)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> > and no, I didn't implement a project remove... because metacello (afaik) > doesn't have it, and it was outside the scope of the loader. Of course, I > think it is a very important feature, but it will be added in the future. > > Remember the very known problem of the overrides (if there are). Cheers Mariano > Cheers, > Esteban > > > > On 2010-03-17 11:42:21 -0300, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> said: > > Hi Esteban, >> >> It looks cool. I tried and I was seen apparent problems. >> I think it would be useful to add >> loadLastVersionOf: >> loadLastStableVersionOf: >> >> I am not aware of Metacello details, but where is there a distinction >> between loading and upgrading? >> You do not have removeProject: or something? >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 17 Mar 2010, at 09:23, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> I want to announce the immediate release of GoferProjectLoader, a >>> Gofer extension to manage Metacello configurations. >>> For all who want to know quickly what is this, here is a small >>> synopsis: >>> >>> GoferProjectLoader is a loader for Metacello configurations (A >>> metacello configuration is a full project load tool, including >>> package/project dependencies with it corresponding versions). >>> GoferProjectLoader automatically scan projects stored on >>> MetacelloRepository, but you can add your private repositories as >>> well. GoferProjectLoader responsibilities include: >>> >>> 1) Install project versions and keep track of them. >>> 2) Update configurations and upgrade projects (if desired). >>> >>> GoferProjectLoader relies on Metacello and Gofer to perform this >>> tasks (In fact, It can be thought as a Gofer extension to understand >>> Metacello packages). >>> >>> To load GoferProjectLoader, you need to do: >>> >>> Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; >>> load. >>> >>> ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader project lastVersion load. >>> >>> With this... you'll never need again to perform once and again this >>> repetitive configuration... instead, you can do things like: >>> >>> Gofer project >>> load: 'Seaside30'; >>> load: 'Pier2'. >>> >>> You can see the full documentation here: >>> http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/GoferProjectLoader >>> >>> Now I'm working on the promised page for configurations (Adrian: I >>> really sorry for the delay... I know I promised this a lot of time >>> ago... but time is the tyrant :( ) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Gofer Project Loader 1.0 (BETA)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi Alexandre, load: ...already loads latest stable version, but if the project hasn't any declared stable version, it will throw a "no stable version found" error, and you'll need to look for a version (using #availableVersionsOf:) of course, this can be improved... I will think on a way to do it. upgrade loads new versions of an already present project (if there are newer versions on a configuration). and no, I didn't implement a project remove... because metacello (afaik) doesn't have it, and it was outside the scope of the loader. Of course, I think it is a very important feature, but it will be added in the future. Cheers, Esteban On 2010-03-17 11:42:21 -0300, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> said: > Hi Esteban, > > It looks cool. I tried and I was seen apparent problems. > I think it would be useful to add > loadLastVersionOf: > loadLastStableVersionOf: > > I am not aware of Metacello details, but where is there a distinction > between loading and upgrading? > You do not have removeProject: or something? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 17 Mar 2010, at 09:23, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> Hi, >> I want to announce the immediate release of GoferProjectLoader, a >> Gofer extension to manage Metacello configurations. >> For all who want to know quickly what is this, here is a small >> synopsis: >> >> GoferProjectLoader is a loader for Metacello configurations (A >> metacello configuration is a full project load tool, including >> package/project dependencies with it corresponding versions). >> GoferProjectLoader automatically scan projects stored on >> MetacelloRepository, but you can add your private repositories as >> well. GoferProjectLoader responsibilities include: >> >> 1) Install project versions and keep track of them. >> 2) Update configurations and upgrade projects (if desired). >> >> GoferProjectLoader relies on Metacello and Gofer to perform this >> tasks (In fact, It can be thought as a Gofer extension to understand >> Metacello packages). >> >> To load GoferProjectLoader, you need to do: >> >> Gofer it >> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; >> load. >> >> ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader project lastVersion load. >> >> With this... you'll never need again to perform once and again this >> repetitive configuration... instead, you can do things like: >> >> Gofer project >> load: 'Seaside30'; >> load: 'Pier2'. >> >> You can see the full documentation here: >> http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/GoferProjectLoader >> >> Now I'm working on the promised page for configurations (Adrian: I >> really sorry for the delay... I know I promised this a lot of time >> ago... but time is the tyrant :( ) >> >> Cheers, >> Esteban >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Gofer Project Loader 1.0 (BETA)

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Esteban Looks cool! I haven't had time to test it out in depth yet, but here three questions: - does it keep memory of which projects are loaded? Is this what you refer to as "managed projects"? - would it make sense to integrate it into Gofer? - any idea about how we go to differentiate "stable" and "unstable" universes for each Pharo version? How does the user know which version is the one he needs for his version of Pharo? Sorry, this is not directly related to the Gofer Project Loader but I think it is the next important step towards a working package management system! Cheers, Adrian On Mar 17, 2010, at 14:23 , Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > Hi, > I want to announce the immediate release of GoferProjectLoader, a Gofer extension to manage Metacello configurations. > For all who want to know quickly what is this, here is a small synopsis: > > GoferProjectLoader is a loader for Metacello configurations (A metacello configuration is a full project load tool, including package/project dependencies with it corresponding versions). GoferProjectLoader automatically scan projects stored on MetacelloRepository, but you can add your private repositories as well. GoferProjectLoader responsibilities include: > > 1) Install project versions and keep track of them. > 2) Update configurations and upgrade projects (if desired). > > GoferProjectLoader relies on Metacello and Gofer to perform this tasks (In fact, It can be thought as a Gofer extension to understand Metacello packages). > > To load GoferProjectLoader, you need to do: > > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; > load. > > ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader project lastVersion load. > > With this... you'll never need again to perform once and again this repetitive configuration... instead, you can do things like: > > Gofer project > load: 'Seaside30'; > load: 'Pier2'. > > You can see the full documentation here: > http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/GoferProjectLoader > > Now I'm working on the promised page for configurations (Adrian: I really sorry for the delay... I know I promised this a lot of time ago... but time is the tyrant :( ) > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Gofer Project Loader 1.0 (BETA)

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Excellent Esteban! Muy buena la idea che! Thanks!! 2010/3/17 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > I want to announce the immediate release of GoferProjectLoader, a Gofer > extension to manage Metacello configurations. > For all who want to know quickly what is this, here is a small synopsis: > > GoferProjectLoader is a loader for Metacello configurations (A metacello > configuration is a full project load tool, including package/project > dependencies with it corresponding versions). GoferProjectLoader > automatically scan projects stored on MetacelloRepository, but you can add > your private repositories as well. GoferProjectLoader responsibilities > include: > > 1) Install project versions and keep track of them. > 2) Update configurations and upgrade projects (if desired). > > GoferProjectLoader relies on Metacello and Gofer to perform this tasks (In > fact, It can be thought as a Gofer extension to understand Metacello > packages). > > To load GoferProjectLoader, you need to do: > > Gofer it > Â Â Â Â squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > Â Â Â Â package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; > Â Â Â Â load. > > ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader project lastVersion load. > > With this... you'll never need again to perform once and again this > repetitive configuration... instead, you can do things like: > > Gofer project > Â Â Â Â load: 'Seaside30'; > Â Â Â Â load: 'Pier2'. > > You can see the full documentation here: > http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/GoferProjectLoader > > Now I'm working on the promised page for configurations (Adrian: I really > sorry for the delay... I know I promised this a lot of time ago... but time > is the tyrant :( ) > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

March 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? > > At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a > repository. > > Yes please, kill that crap. > hahaha > > There seem to be a couple of references though. > > yes, I saw them. That's why I asked if it was worth to do it or not...spend time looking how to solve those references. Cheers Mariano > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

by Lukas Renggli

> Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorderÂ ? > At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository. Yes please, kill that crap. There seem to be a couple of references though. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Gofer Project Loader 1.0 (BETA)

by Lukas Renggli

This is so cool! Thank you for pushing this. Lukas On 17 March 2010 14:23, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I want to announce the immediate release of GoferProjectLoader, a Gofer > extension to manage Metacello configurations. > For all who want to know quickly what is this, here is a small synopsis: > > GoferProjectLoader is a loader for Metacello configurations (A metacello > configuration is a full project load tool, including package/project > dependencies with it corresponding versions). GoferProjectLoader > automatically scan projects stored on MetacelloRepository, but you can add > your private repositories as well. GoferProjectLoader responsibilities > include: > > 1) Install project versions and keep track of them. > 2) Update configurations and upgrade projects (if desired). > > GoferProjectLoader relies on Metacello and Gofer to perform this tasks (In > fact, It can be thought as a Gofer extension to understand Metacello > packages). > > To load GoferProjectLoader, you need to do: > > Gofer it > Â Â Â Â squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > Â Â Â Â package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; > Â Â Â Â load. > > ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader project lastVersion load. > > With this... you'll never need again to perform once and again this > repetitive configuration... instead, you can do things like: > > Gofer project > Â Â Â Â load: 'Seaside30'; > Â Â Â Â load: 'Pier2'. > > You can see the full documentation here: > http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/GoferProjectLoader > > Now I'm working on the promised page for configurations (Adrian: I really > sorry for the delay... I know I promised this a lot of time ago... but time > is the tyrant :( ) > > Cheers, > Esteban > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 17, 2010

[Pharo-project] Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository. Cheers Mariano

March 17, 2010

[Pharo-project] [ANN] Gofer Project Loader 1.0 (BETA)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, I want to announce the immediate release of GoferProjectLoader, a Gofer extension to manage Metacello configurations. For all who want to know quickly what is this, here is a small synopsis: GoferProjectLoader is a loader for Metacello configurations (A metacello configuration is a full project load tool, including package/project dependencies with it corresponding versions). GoferProjectLoader automatically scan projects stored on MetacelloRepository, but you can add your private repositories as well. GoferProjectLoader responsibilities include: 1) Install project versions and keep track of them. 2) Update configurations and upgrade projects (if desired). GoferProjectLoader relies on Metacello and Gofer to perform this tasks (In fact, It can be thought as a Gofer extension to understand Metacello packages). To load GoferProjectLoader, you need to do: Gofer it squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader'; load. ConfigurationOfGoferProjectLoader project lastVersion load. With this... you'll never need again to perform once and again this repetitive configuration... instead, you can do things like: Gofer project load: 'Seaside30'; load: 'Pier2'. You can see the full documentation here: http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/GoferProjectLoader Now I'm working on the promised page for configurations (Adrian: I really sorry for the delay... I know I promised this a lot of time ago... but time is the tyrant :( ) Cheers, Esteban

March 17, 2010