March 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] ESUG gentle actions reminder

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Dear Smalltalkers of all dialects! In a time where we are bombarded with information and may be misinformed :), some of you may not notice that ESUG is doing a great job pushing Smalltalk, we thought that it is good to get a gentle reminder on the main actions ESUG performed in the past. http://www.esug.org Yes we have been busy promoting the language we all love. :) The board. Sponsoring of Smalltalks Conference 2009 =================== 15 teachers got the travel/hosting payed to attend the conference Allessandro Warth invited talk sponsored Seaside Hosting since 2005 ========== http://www.seasidehosting.st/ Squeak VM support ============ Squeak VM on iPhone - John McIntosh Mike Rueger Clean of the Squeak mac VM - John McIntosh Projects ===== Morphic 30 project - Juan Vuletich iPhone Dev - Esteban Lorenzano DrGeoII Scripting Syntax extension - Hilaire Fernandes Glamour - Tudor Girba SummerTalk ======== SqueakOpenDBX 2009 SqueakOpenDBX 2008 Safara 2008 New Compiler for Squeak 2006 RDF Framework for Smalltalk 2006 Process based BugTracking System 2006 ICal support in Smalltalk 2006 SqueakBot 2006 DVD === Free Smalltalk DVD http://www.esug.org/Promotion/DVD Book sponsoring ========== Dynamic Web Development in Seaside by Ducasse etal. (2009) Squeak by Example by Black et al. (2008) A Mentoring Course on Smalltalk by Valloud et al. (2008) Fundamentals of Smalltalk Programming Technique by Valloud et al. (2008) Computer Programming using GNU Smalltalk. by C. GÃ¶kel (2009) Free sent books in 2002 â¢Universities that received the books: âGermany: Darmstadt, Munich, Berlin âArgentina: La Plata, Buenos Aires (3), Cordoba âBelgium: Brussels âFrance: Caen, Montpellier-II, Paris 8, Brest âSpain: Vigo, Castellon âSwitzerland: St. Gallen âAlgeria: Chlef, Blida âArgentina: Buenos Aires, âBrasil: San Pablo âRussia: Tver âIndia: Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh âChile: Santiago âItaly: Cagliari, Benevento âCzech Republic: Brno, Praha âServia: Novi Sad âFrance: Douai âUnited Kingdom: Portsmouth, Plymouth âBelgium: Bruxelles âGermany: Elmshorn âChina: Wuhan Hubei âUnited States: Santa Barbara â¢Universities that received the books + course âRoumania: Timisoara, Cluj Napoca, Targovista Varia ==== Sponsoring of the Russian Smalltalk Server (2010) Bootstrap Funds for Squeak Germany e.V. 2000 Euros. Booth at Conferences Chaos Computer Club talks at 21C3 and 23C3 (ESUG payed parts, besides SSUG und Squeak e.V) Scanning some of old books http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Freebooks.html Digitizing VHS Video of Alan Kay's OOPSLA 1997 Keynote and make it available on Google Video Teaching at Barcelona (Spain) Teaching at Turino (Italy) Teaching at Bledj (Romania) Pharo Sprints Sponsoring of OSDC 2009 http://act.osdc.fr/osdc2009fr/sponsors.html Managing money for the Squeak foundation since 2004 ================================== This action stopped since ESUG is not a bank Sponsoring scientific articles ================== 6 international conference papers in 2009 8 international conference papers in 2008 Smalltalk article in the Press ================== 6 in 2006 3 in 2007 5 in 2008 ESUG Free entrance tickets ================ Some in the previous years New this year 10 slots Student volunteer program ================= 21 students got free access and hosting in 2003 15 students got free access and hosting in 2004 A complete classroom of students of north acamedia got free access in 2004 12 students got free access and hosting in 2005 15 students got free access and hosting in 2006 14 students got free access and hosting in 2007 17 students got free access and hosting in 2008 18 students got free access and hosting in 2009 Yes participating to the conference helps us to finance all these actions....

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Please: less license blahblah, more actual progress on the issue

by Paolo Bonzini

>> Stef, instead of thanking five times, why don't you try to do >> something constructive? > > do you think that pharo is not constructive enough :) fair enough. :-) > Paolo what I learned is that I want to be as far as possible from license problems. > I know this is naive but I hate licenses! They fucked up our lives. Possibly. But fanaticism has its share of guilt too. I have my opinion on what's worse. Paolo

March 9, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11255

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

11255 ----- - added tests for the compiler to test shadowing of self, super, thisContext, true, false and nil. Thanks guys - we know you :) - Issue 2086: Introduce a cleanUp/cleanUp: protocol from squeak / keith idea! MyClass class>>cleanUp: aggressive This (class-side) method is called with an argument that indicates whether to do aggressive, i.e., potentially destructive cleanup. Doing aggressive cleanup will delete projects, change sets, uni-classes and more. Gentle cleanup is expected to only flush transient caches. If your class only has gentle cleanup you can simply implement MyClass class>>cleanUp By default #cleanUp: delegates to this method (similar to startUp/startUp: and shutDown/shutDown:). You can run cleanup by executing: Smalltalk cleanUp. Smalltalk cleanUp: true. Thanks luc for your analysis. After lunch in hot room is never that good for my brain :) Stef

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Full time engineer position for Pharo looking for cool engineer :)

by Igor Stasenko

On 9 March 2010 23:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> I'd be willing to apply. But i'm not sure if i fit for it. > > Why? > You do not drink beers? Nope :) > Me neither but I survive eating black chocolate. > So , count me in :) > Stef > >> On 9 March 2010 17:15, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to >>>> Â Â Â Â - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) >>>> Â Â Â Â - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) >>> >>> e.g. this one is just 40Km away: >>> >>> Â http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm >>> >>> Even the local beer is good: >>> >>> Â http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/260/1308/ >>> >>>> we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number >>> >>> I think it should be explained that this is the french version of >>> "before taxes", not the same as, >>> for example, german brutto. This means, health insurance, pension and >>> all social welfare is >>> already deducted. So if we take taxes into account (single person, no >>> kids), this means you get >>> 2400 EUR/Month. >>> >>> To get 2400 EUR/Month in germany, you need a "before >>> tax/health/social/unemployment" salary >>> of 4.200 EUR/Month (or 50.000 EUR for the year). >>> >>> So it's not that bad. And Lille is cheap. As a typical european city, >>> you don't need a car, >>> and for the ticket for public transport, INRIA pays half. This means >>> my cost of transport >>> is just 18.50EUR a month, plus Train for traveling to Paris or London >>> on the weekend... >>> >>> The health insurance system is rated as one of the best public ones in >>> the world by the >>> WHO, the local hospital is the best in the whole country. And health insurance >>> is *not* connected to employment. One can *never* lose health insurance. >>> Whatever happens. >>> >>> Â Â Â Marcus >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker Â -- Â denker(a)acm.org >>> http://www.marcusdenker.de >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Full time engineer position for Pharo looking for cool engineer :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> I'd be willing to apply. But i'm not sure if i fit for it. Why? You do not drink beers? Me neither but I survive eating black chocolate. Stef > On 9 March 2010 17:15, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to >>> - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) >>> - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) >> >> e.g. this one is just 40Km away: >> >> http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm >> >> Even the local beer is good: >> >> http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/260/1308/ >> >>> we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number >> >> I think it should be explained that this is the french version of >> "before taxes", not the same as, >> for example, german brutto. This means, health insurance, pension and >> all social welfare is >> already deducted. So if we take taxes into account (single person, no >> kids), this means you get >> 2400 EUR/Month. >> >> To get 2400 EUR/Month in germany, you need a "before >> tax/health/social/unemployment" salary >> of 4.200 EUR/Month (or 50.000 EUR for the year). >> >> So it's not that bad. And Lille is cheap. As a typical european city, >> you don't need a car, >> and for the ticket for public transport, INRIA pays half. This means >> my cost of transport >> is just 18.50EUR a month, plus Train for traveling to Paris or London >> on the weekend... >> >> The health insurance system is rated as one of the best public ones in >> the world by the >> WHO, the local hospital is the best in the whole country. And health insurance >> is *not* connected to employment. One can *never* lose health insurance. >> Whatever happens. >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org >> http://www.marcusdenker.de >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] networking problem (repost)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Excellent! Have fun... and beers from us :) Stef On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:25 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > Well Michael is dropping by for a visit. I think we'll reserve a few hours to figure out the technical side > of what the proper answer is when you want to know what your IP and interface in use is. Either this > is easy to do and *fixes* all the hassles, or unlikely... > > From what I gather this is the key issue of the IPV6 usage ? > >> >> Yes, please, I vote for reverting to the old working code. In 1.1 or now >> with the GSoC we can propose a new infrastructure for Networking. > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] networking problem (repost)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks mike for the update. Stef >> So now my conclusion is firmly we have to take a step back and >> simplify. for pharo 1.0 unless we have someone with a lot of time i >> do not feel we can untangle the resolver and socket code. We should > > As the one originally being responsible for integrating the new socket code I'm voting in favor of this solution. > > The new socket code was initiated in the OLPC project and I was (falsely) assuming that it it would be stable and/or be maintained to a satisfactory level. > So either the OLPC people have fixes that we don't know about (just looked at the latest etoys image and the code seems to be the same) or it just happens to work for them. Or people using the etoys version simply don't do anything exciting with the network. > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About ExternalDropHandler initialize

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes it was my impression too. Stef On Mar 9, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > I guess the registerHandler: bits should move to registerStandardExternalDropHandlers. > Even after cleanUp you'd want them, I think. > > Most of the users of ExternalDropHandler actually call the initialize instead of cleanUp for doing clean up... > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephane ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> > To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:55 PM > Subject: [Pharo-project] About ExternalDropHandler initialize > > >> Hi guys >> >> registerStandardExternalDropHandlers is not invoked from the class initialize and I was wondering if >> one of you know why. >> Right now we have: >> >> ExternalDropHandler class >> initialize >> "ExternalDropHandler initialize" >> >> self resetRegisteredHandlers. >> self >> registerHandler: self defaultImageHandler; >> registerHandler: self defaultGZipHandler. >> >> This is the same in Squeak >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Full time engineer position for Pharo looking for cool engineer :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks! This is also a dream for us because in the life of a researcher having an engineer is rare. Stef On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Andrey Larionov wrote: > Oh. Why i come in magic world of Smalltalk too late (have no necessary > experience at the moment). It's job of my dream in very beautiful > place with great colleagues :) > Good luck with candidate searching. > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 23:36, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> Some good news :) >> INRIA-lille nord Europe ranked Pharo among the top 3 projects that will receive support for a full time confirmed engineer. >> We will know if the national level or the lab will carry the cost by mid april, but for now the position is allocated to Pharo. >> >> This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to >> - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) >> - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) >> - eat french food >> - have fun with us - yes we are even fun - ok with geeky humor :) >> - code all the day in Smalltalk and a bit of C >> >> Apparently from what the DHR services told me, the salary will depend on years of expertise and diplomas but >> we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number -- In France the employer pays already taxes so the salary is not brutto but already includes deduction. The social insurance is included and you may want to pay an extra like me (100 Euros) to have a better health insurance. Lille is an active city but not expensive. To give an idea Marcus got a nice sunny close to everything flat with wooden floor for 650 Euros. >> >> The job will to continue making Pharo (core) better >> - better tools >> - better network support >> - helping with the new compiler >> - helping with alien and others >> - cleaning/shrinking >> >> Duration: 30 months >> Starting date: October 2010 >> Location: Lille (no remote job possible) >> >> Do not hesitate to contact us. >> >> Stef/Marcus >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) >> INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr >> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ >> **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 20 43 42 56 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 >> >> 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, >> BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. >> >> "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you >> do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, >> today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Full time engineer position for Pharo looking for cool engineer :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Some questions? > > - Is french required (A1 DELF or something like that) or English is > enough? English is enough (to your own risk :). Marcus does not speak french, mariano neither. > - Is just for single persons or married ones with kids are allowed? We pay only the person working but you can have family with you. :) I imagine that as soon as you get married your wife and kids can get visa without problems (at least from countries without security problems). > - Do you have some profile you would prefer for the position? > -- Visible projects in Smalltalk > -- Long time of contributing to Pharo Technical achievement in general. Finishing the last 2% of your great achievement. We are not pharo specific, even smart squeakers can apply :) > - What kind of Visa is required? I'm not sure that you have to do anything since our administration should get the visa for you. The applicants should get a working permit visa. > - Is some specific technical hability needed (networking experience, vm > hacking experience) This would be a plus but not necessarily. Wanting to build a better world, good communication, friendly, open-minded, efficient, working fast, **understanding** what we are building are more important! At the end trust and commitment too :) Stef

March 9, 2010