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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [Preview] Help System with new model (now also for Squeak)

by Michael Haupt

Hi Torsten, On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Yes - and since the model is simple we can fill it with > nearly any information. Try this: ... nifty. Really nifty. :-) Best, Michael

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] how to contribute test to pharo

by Adrian Lienhard

On Mar 29, 2010, at 21:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Mar 29, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> >> On Mar 29, 2010, at 21:27 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> frankly I hate the google wiki >>> How can we get something with links that changed depending of the time they got changed... >> >> Indeed. I changed to sort alphabetically. Is this better? > > could we make sure that the order is the one we want and it stays the same? You can only set a column to sort with. Of course, a hack would be to give a column with priorities: 1, 2, ... Adrian > >> What we also could do is to have one entry point page that lists all of the important pages. > > Yes > >> >> Adrian >> >>> this is an idiot concept. >>> You get no structure. >>> Stef >>> On Mar 29, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>> >>>> Well, it is difficult to find information from the web site (which does not look very sexy), for example there are 3 faq found in different location, why? I was looking at how to contribute unit test, at least where to send the test. >>>> >>>> A minimum taxonomy could help for new comer to find relevant information. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the pointer on the google wiki, it looks definitely helpful. >>>> >>>> Hilaire >>>> >>>> Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : >>>>> Hi Hilaire. I dont understand your question. >>>>> If you want to contribute to test, just download the image you want, and test. If you find bugs, you report it. >>>>> To submit an issue: http://www.pharo-project.org/community/issue-tracking >>>>> If you are talking about submitting new tests or fixes to current tests, is the same process as submitting any code: >>>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/HowToContribute >>>>> I know this link was pointed from somewhere in the pharo website...but I don't find it. >>>>> Adrian? >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Mariano >>>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> I can't find any information in the website >>>>> Hilaire >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] The Pharo Linux Vm [WAS] Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

by Adrian Lienhard

On Mar 29, 2010, at 21:52 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > 2010/3/29 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > >> Also this week I will ship a 4.2.4b1 VM which is the result of some Squeak >> 4.0 base VM merge processing and contains the fix to enable the loading of >> old image segments used I guess by squeakmap? >> >> > > I am not sure. ImageSegment is a full of c...and maybe it will be even > removed. It was not working since a lot of time and nobody says anything. Mariano, I know you know image segments, but I think this is may be confusing for others. So I like to say something ;) Image segments work very well; both from a reliability and performance point of view. We are using them for hundreds of customers. DabbleDB uses images segments as well AFAIK. There are two parts, the primitives implemented by the VM in C and the image-side code. The code in the image consists of support code to load and store a segment and on top of this there is code for swapping in/out classes, projects etc. Especially the latter is a mess and we already started cleaning it. As images segments are not used by core code we also consider moving it into a separate, external package (of course, the primitives should stay in the VM). > We > even started to remove part of it in Pharo. And SqueakMap was completely > removed. Yes, SqueakMap is not relevant anymore for Pharo. Hence, this VM fix is not critical for us. Cheers, Adrian

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/3/29 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > Ok, fyi on a 2.33 Ghz intel core 2 duo machine a *correctly tuned* VM gives > > What does *correctly tuned* VM mean ? How can I compile a Linux VM with that results ? Cheers Mariano > 582,148,948 bytescodes/sec; 14,497,194 sends/sec > > > On 2010-03-28, at 10:21 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > > 2010/3/29 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > >> So what Ghz is this machine? >> > > model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz > cpu MHz : 1994.987 > cache size : 4096 KB > > Laurent Laffont > > >> >> On 2010-03-28, at 10:42 AM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >> Thank you ! >> >> Here the result: >> >> Squeak VM 3.11.3 -r 2135 + FT2Plugin + --CFLAGS="-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer >> -mfpmath=sse -march=native -s -mtune=generic" >> ========================================== >> 339072847 bytecodes/sec; 9560580 sends/sec >> 338848444 bytecodes/sec; 9552573 sends/sec >> 338177014 bytecodes/sec; 9473233 sends/sec >> 337953795 bytecodes/sec; 9496896 sends/sec >> 338848444 bytecodes/sec; 9496896 sends/sec >> >> so the best performance I have so far. >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: > squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] The Pharo Linux Vm [WAS] Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/3/29 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > > On 2010-03-29, at 12:29 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > Yes! The windows VM has already that. The MacVM, I sent an email few months > ago to explain how to do it. > If you want, I can upload a Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app but with the Pharo > icons and named Pharo 4.2.2beta1U.app > Then we link from the website to that VM. What do you think ? > > I know there are newer MacOS VMs, but they are still in beta and for the > Pharo 1.0 I think the best VM is the 4.2.2.beta1 > > What do you think ? > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > That would be a 4.2.3b1 VM since it contains the bitblt fixes that the > Squeak folks wanted. I have no > idea how that impacts text rendering on Pharo. > > Uffff sorry John. My bad. I wanted to say 4.2.3.b1, thanks. > Also this week I will ship a 4.2.4b1 VM which is the result of some Squeak > 4.0 base VM merge processing and contains the fix to enable the loading of > old image segments used I guess by squeakmap? > > I am not sure. ImageSegment is a full of c...and maybe it will be even removed. It was not working since a lot of time and nobody says anything. We even started to remove part of it in Pharo. And SqueakMap was completely removed. I think for Pharo 1.0 is better a well tested VM like the 4.2.3.b1 is, and let version 5 for Pharo 1.1. What do you think ? Cheers Mariano > Frankly in all of this perhaps we should consider the use of the Version 5. > 0 macintosh cocoa VM running in 32bit mode? > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: > squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] how to contribute test to pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 29, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On Mar 29, 2010, at 21:27 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> frankly I hate the google wiki >> How can we get something with links that changed depending of the time they got changed... > > Indeed. I changed to sort alphabetically. Is this better? could we make sure that the order is the one we want and it stays the same? > What we also could do is to have one entry point page that lists all of the important pages. Yes > > Adrian > >> this is an idiot concept. >> You get no structure. >> Stef >> On Mar 29, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >> >>> Well, it is difficult to find information from the web site (which does not look very sexy), for example there are 3 faq found in different location, why? I was looking at how to contribute unit test, at least where to send the test. >>> >>> A minimum taxonomy could help for new comer to find relevant information. >>> >>> Thanks for the pointer on the google wiki, it looks definitely helpful. >>> >>> Hilaire >>> >>> Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : >>>> Hi Hilaire. I dont understand your question. >>>> If you want to contribute to test, just download the image you want, and test. If you find bugs, you report it. >>>> To submit an issue: http://www.pharo-project.org/community/issue-tracking >>>> If you are talking about submitting new tests or fixes to current tests, is the same process as submitting any code: >>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/HowToContribute >>>> I know this link was pointed from somewhere in the pharo website...but I don't find it. >>>> Adrian? >>>> Cheers >>>> Mariano >>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> I can't find any information in the website >>>> Hilaire >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] The Pharo Linux Vm [WAS] Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

by John M McIntosh

On 2010-03-29, at 12:29 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Yes! The windows VM has already that. The MacVM, I sent an email few months ago to explain how to do it. > If you want, I can upload a Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app but with the Pharo icons and named Pharo 4.2.2beta1U.app > Then we link from the website to that VM. What do you think ? > > I know there are newer MacOS VMs, but they are still in beta and for the Pharo 1.0 I think the best VM is the 4.2.2.beta1 > > What do you think ? > > Cheers > > Mariano That would be a 4.2.3b1 VM since it contains the bitblt fixes that the Squeak folks wanted. I have no idea how that impacts text rendering on Pharo. Also this week I will ship a 4.2.4b1 VM which is the result of some Squeak 4.0 base VM merge processing and contains the fix to enable the loading of old image segments used I guess by squeakmap? Frankly in all of this perhaps we should consider the use of the Version 5. 0 macintosh cocoa VM running in 32bit mode? -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeak VM+FT2Plugin, all Pharo 1.0 rc3 tests green

by John M McIntosh

Ok, fyi on a 2.33 Ghz intel core 2 duo machine a *correctly tuned* VM gives 582,148,948 bytescodes/sec; 14,497,194 sends/sec On 2010-03-28, at 10:21 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > 2010/3/29 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > So what Ghz is this machine? > > model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz > cpu MHz : 1994.987 > cache size : 4096 KB > > Laurent Laffont > > > On 2010-03-28, at 10:42 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > >> Thank you ! >> >> Here the result: >> >> Squeak VM 3.11.3 -r 2135 + FT2Plugin + --CFLAGS="-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpmath=sse -march=native -s -mtune=generic" >> ========================================== >> 339072847 bytecodes/sec; 9560580 sends/sec >> 338848444 bytecodes/sec; 9552573 sends/sec >> 338177014 bytecodes/sec; 9473233 sends/sec >> 337953795 bytecodes/sec; 9496896 sends/sec >> 338848444 bytecodes/sec; 9496896 sends/sec >> >> so the best performance I have so far. >> >> Laurent Laffont > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] how to contribute test to pharo

by Adrian Lienhard

On Mar 29, 2010, at 21:27 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > frankly I hate the google wiki > How can we get something with links that changed depending of the time they got changed... Indeed. I changed to sort alphabetically. Is this better? What we also could do is to have one entry point page that lists all of the important pages. Adrian > this is an idiot concept. > You get no structure. > Stef > On Mar 29, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Well, it is difficult to find information from the web site (which does not look very sexy), for example there are 3 faq found in different location, why? I was looking at how to contribute unit test, at least where to send the test. >> >> A minimum taxonomy could help for new comer to find relevant information. >> >> Thanks for the pointer on the google wiki, it looks definitely helpful. >> >> Hilaire >> >> Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : >>> Hi Hilaire. I dont understand your question. >>> If you want to contribute to test, just download the image you want, and test. If you find bugs, you report it. >>> To submit an issue: http://www.pharo-project.org/community/issue-tracking >>> If you are talking about submitting new tests or fixes to current tests, is the same process as submitting any code: >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/HowToContribute >>> I know this link was pointed from somewhere in the pharo website...but I don't find it. >>> Adrian? >>> Cheers >>> Mariano >>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> I can't find any information in the website >>> Hilaire >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Menu builder framework [WAS] Question about HostMenuSystem

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr>wrote: > Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > > >> >> I removed them when they where broken. We should enable them again: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1876 >> >> > Maybe there is a problem with the Smalltalk startUpList ? I know >> it has been changed in previous updates. >> > >> >> so if you remove this strange all=error swallowing wrappter in >> HostSystemMenus>>#startUp: >> >> [self setDefaultMenuProxyClass] ifError: [:err :rcvr | ]. >> >> >> you will get a DNU at image startup that shows that we need to fix >> the menu building code as it used >> the world menu. It should build it's menu using the menu builder >> framework. >> >> >> Hi Marcus. I would like to make it work. But I have no idea how to do it. >> What's that menu builder framework ? is there a documentation somewhere ? >> who did it ? there is someone to help me with this ? >> > Hi Mariano, all > I think it is the pragma based menu framework I've implemented. > ahhahaha I didn't want to say it, but I was almost sure ;) > well, no documentation for now, sorry :( > No problem!!! no stress as Stef says. > but I will help as much as I can :) > :) > Can you recall me what is the class/method to look at ? > The HostMenuSystem was "removed" because of the bug of the double copy paste. If you look at HostSystemMenus class >> #startUp: you will see this line: [self setDefaultMenuProxyClass] ifError: [:err :rcvr | ]. So, basically, what it does, is catching all the errors and doing nothing ;) What you have to do is to save that method in this way: self setDefaultMenuProxyClass. Then, save the image. And start it again. When it starts, a beautiful debugger will appear :) Thanks! Mariano Alain > > > >> Thanks >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 29, 2010