March 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] A pause... for tests and orthogonal concerns

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, There is a part of me that wants 1.1 tomorrow<g> to get Alien and full freedom to use underscores, among other things. Briefly on $_, it came back up on squeak-dev, with the usual polarity and screams of doom due to poor aesthetics. It is and IMHO always will be a consideration of external interfacing and avoiding name collisions. Back on topic, tests are good thing. As far as how I can help, a good starting point will be to clean up my image build process. It appears to do a good job of identifying work that I have failed to package and saving the packages I have flagged as mine. I wonder about possible problems with dependencies among packages, but can't say that I have had problems with that; for whatever reason, "cyclic dependencies" magage to terrorize every new Dolphin user at some point :) I am unclear on whether Dolphin is too pedantic, Pharo is too relaxed (and somehow manages to "clean up the messes later"), or whether I am not pushing Pharo hard enough to have problems. Regardless of the details above, I need to revise the load step of my build, and I have been hoping that Loader will appear so I can rewrite it once rather than twice. I noticed mention today that SqueakSource was down (appears ok now). Not meaning to complain about a free service, it hit me once before and I had to add complexity to my builds to work around it; I had thought about taking that out, but a local-only option appears important. I am unclear on how to do that with Metacello - any ideas? I was going to ask about Citezen and Metacello, but the SqueakSource wiki page shows instructions for it. I will try to test it soon. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 6:06 PM To: Pharo Development Subject: [Pharo-project] A pause... for tests and orthogonal concerns hi guys I was discussing with pavel and I like his point. I would like to do a kind of pause and fix the tests. Improve a bit the fact that we get more tests incrementally to avoid regression. Tell what you think and think how you could help. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] about video games

by Michael Forster

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 15 March 2010 08:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> the second is scary :) >> > WoW and alike is the most stupid games i ever seen. What is > frustrating that these games are not progressing over a years, > no! Instead i see the tendency how they becoming less and less > challenging to players. > Every new game i read about or taking a look - everything is the same, > just with more fancy graphics. > > Raising a herd of 'creative' executives using WoW, would be a > stupidiest thing which i would do :) > Because its pool of creativity is very shallow and primitive. > > "The degree of complexity and challenge increases dramatically as you > advance across levels, and the number of experience points needed in > order to advance also increases sharply with each level." > > Bullshit. The degree of complexity and challenges become same. Its > just become more time consuming, > because a usual quest, on say level 5 is to kill 10 monsters, > and on level 50 is to kill 100 or 200 monsters. This is an 'increase' > of challenge :) > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. On a positive note, my daughters love to work with Scratch. Mike

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What is the best way to...

by Pavel Krivanek

something like MCMczWriter new serializeDefinitions: (MCPackage named: 'Tests') snapshot definitions. -- Pavel 2010/3/15 Hernan Wilkinson <hernan.wilkinson(a)gmail.com>: > generate a document with the source code of a package? > We will use pharo at the university and I want to find an easy way for the > students to print out the source code of their work. > > Thanks. > Hernan. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.0] RC3! #10515 pre-built core image

by Lukas Renggli

On 15 March 2010 11:49, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > When all tests are run twice, MCPackageTest>>testUnload fail. That test also fails when the test are just run once: http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Pharo/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ Lukas > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >> Â Â Â Â https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26668/PharoCore-1.0-10515rc3.zip >> >> >> This should be tested a lot... >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 15, 2010

[Pharo-project] What is the best way to...

by Hernan Wilkinson

generate a document with the source code of a package? We will use pharo at the university and I want to find an easy way for the students to print out the source code of their work. Thanks. Hernan.

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.0] RC3! #10515 pre-built core image

by Pavel Krivanek

Can you reproduce it? On Linux: - open halos on desktop (shift-right click) - menu - export - jpeg - keep default file name - an empty picture file is created and Pharo crashes immediately VM version: 3.11.3-2135, same on 1.1 all tests green I tried Windows VM and it works well there -- Pavel On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > Â Â Â Â https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26668/PharoCore-1.0-10515rc3.zip > > > This should be tested a lot... > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.0] RC3! #10515 pre-built core image

by Pavel Krivanek

Why there are two empty ChangeSets Unnamed and Unnamed1? -- Pavel On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > Â Â Â Â https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26668/PharoCore-1.0-10515rc3.zip > > > This should be tested a lot... > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.0] RC3! #10515 pre-built core image

by Pavel Krivanek

I found a Locale change problem, already reported as http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1289 marked as Milestone-1.1. I attached a small filx however this calls for a more general refactoring. -- Pavel On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > Â Â Â Â https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26668/PharoCore-1.0-10515rc3.zip > > > This should be tested a lot... > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.0] RC3! #10515 pre-built core image

by Serge Stinckwich

When all tests are run twice, MCPackageTest>>testUnload fail. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > Â Â Â Â https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26668/PharoCore-1.0-10515rc3.zip > > > This should be tested a lot... > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

March 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.0] RC3! #10515 pre-built core image

by Serge Stinckwich

A bug : http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2149 On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > Â Â Â Â https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26668/PharoCore-1.0-10515rc3.zip > > > This should be tested a lot... > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

March 15, 2010