March 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Code Freeze 1.1?

by Tudor Girba

I do not see it from the website. Where can I get it from? Cheers, Doru On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:42, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is 1.0 already released? >> > Not yet, but we hope that RC3 is the last... > > Marcus > > > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:19, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1. >>> >>> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to >>> use than 1.0. The other >>> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on >>> external code (Preferences, >>> as an example). >>> >>> So I think we should >>> >>> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already) >>> -> start polishing (tests...) >>> -> start to look at the Dev image. >>> -> Official code freeze end of March. >>> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on >>> the state of things). >>> >>> >>> Any reasons against? >>> >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Some battles are better lost than fought." >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal."

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Virtual Desktops in Polymorph

by Fernando olivero

Hi Torsten, as part of my phd i'm building a new IDE for Pharo, somehow related to CodeBubbles and SELF. It is still in development, but i included the idea of workspaces, which you called desktops, and in this initial experience, they are useful for organizing and persisting developers tasks. As soon as i have results and a working prototype i'll release it for the community, and hope to get feedback! Fernando. On Mar 16, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Hi, > > one thing I really miss in the Pharo UI comparing to > Squeak is an equivalent to "Projects". Hey - not that I want > the "Projects" and related code back but I would like to > see something along the lines of "virtual desktops" > allowing you to switch between different desktops/Worlds in > Polymorph using a simple keystroke. > > Dont know if others miss that too or hard that would be. > Any comments? > > Thx > Torsten > > > > > > > > > > -- > GMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment fÃ¼r nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.! > http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Code Freeze 1.1?

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 16, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > Is 1.0 already released? > Not yet, but we hope that RC3 is the last... Marcus > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:19, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1. >> >> The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other >> thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences, >> as an example). >> >> So I think we should >> >> -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already) >> -> start polishing (tests...) >> -> start to look at the Dev image. >> -> Official code freeze end of March. >> -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things). >> >> >> Any reasons against? >> >> >> Marcus >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Some battles are better lost than fought." > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Code Freeze 1.1?

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Is 1.0 already released? Cheers, Doru On 16 Mar 2010, at 10:19, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hi, > > Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1. > > The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use > than 1.0. The other > thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on > external code (Preferences, > as an example). > > So I think we should > > -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already) > -> start polishing (tests...) > -> start to look at the Dev image. > -> Official code freeze end of March. > -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the > state of things). > > > Any reasons against? > > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "Some battles are better lost than fought." -- www.tudorgirba.com "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."

March 16, 2010

[Pharo-project] Code Freeze 1.1?

by Marcus Denker

Hi, Now with 1.0 done, I think we should think about freezing 1.1. The main reason of course is that 1.1 is *far more pleasent* to use than 1.0. The other thing is that 1.1 did change quite some things that have impact on external code (Preferences, as an example). So I think we should -> start slowing down on 1.1 (Stef suggested that already) -> start polishing (tests...) -> start to look at the Dev image. -> Official code freeze end of March. -> Release if possible end of April (this of course depends on the state of things). Any reasons against? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About long tests.

by Lukas Renggli

Name: Gofer-Tests-lr.117 Author: lr Time: 16 March 2010, 10:12:10 am UUID: 884f7d2b-6035-4f66-9ec3-28371a77beac Ancestors: Gofer-Tests-lr.116 - made tests run faster in the Pharo inbox is about 30% faster. Lukas On 16 March 2010 09:13, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Btw, I am running the Pharo tests in my builds now too: > > Â Â http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Pharo/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/(roo… > > Click on duration twice to see the tests sorted by run-time. I feel a > bit bad that the slowest test case is one that I wrote. I'll see if I > can speed that up some more. > > Lukas > > On 15 March 2010 20:56, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >> Hi jorge >> >> did you publish the cleans for the tests you did during the sprint? >> >> Thanks Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Virtual Desktops in Polymorph

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Run RFBServer on a shared image and everybody connects with a VNC client ?? On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 16 March 2010 10:01, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > one thing I really miss in the Pharo UI comparing to > > Squeak is an equivalent to "Projects". Hey - not that I want > > the "Projects" and related code back but I would like to > > see something along the lines of "virtual desktops" > > allowing you to switch between different desktops/Worlds in > > Polymorph using a simple keystroke. > > > > Dont know if others miss that too or hard that would be. > > Any comments? > > > Run second image? (joking) :) > > > Thx > > Torsten > > > > > > -- > > GMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment fÃ¼r nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.! > > http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About long tests.

by Jorge Ressia

Hi, No, I have to finish that. Is still in my todo list. I'll try to make some time today to look into that. Cheers, Jorge On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Yes, it would be very good to have faster tests. In my experience, if tests take too long to run, you don't use them. > > During the sprint in Lille, Jorge started to sort out long running tests from the rest and make them subclass from SlowTestCase (or something similar). > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 09:13 , Lukas Renggli wrote: > >> Btw, I am running the Pharo tests in my builds now too: >> >> Â Â http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Pharo/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/(roo… >> >> Click on duration twice to see the tests sorted by run-time. I feel a >> bit bad that the slowest test case is one that I wrote. I'll see if I >> can speed that up some more. >> >> Lukas >> >> On 15 March 2010 20:56, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> Hi jorge >>> >>> did you publish the cleans for the tests you did during the sprint? >>> >>> Thanks Stef >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About long tests.

by Adrian Lienhard

Yes, it would be very good to have faster tests. In my experience, if tests take too long to run, you don't use them. During the sprint in Lille, Jorge started to sort out long running tests from the rest and make them subclass from SlowTestCase (or something similar). Cheers, Adrian On Mar 16, 2010, at 09:13 , Lukas Renggli wrote: > Btw, I am running the Pharo tests in my builds now too: > > http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Pharo/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/(roo… > > Click on duration twice to see the tests sorted by run-time. I feel a > bit bad that the slowest test case is one that I wrote. I'll see if I > can speed that up some more. > > Lukas > > On 15 March 2010 20:56, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >> Hi jorge >> >> did you publish the cleans for the tests you did during the sprint? >> >> Thanks Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Virtual Desktops in Polymorph

by Igor Stasenko

On 16 March 2010 10:01, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > one thing I really miss in the Pharo UI comparing to > Squeak is an equivalent to "Projects". Hey - not that I want > the "Projects" and related code back but I would like to > see something along the lines of "virtual desktops" > allowing you to switch between different desktops/Worlds in > Polymorph using a simple keystroke. > > Dont know if others miss that too or hard that would be. > Any comments? > Run second image? (joking) :) > Thx > Torsten > > > -- > GMX DSL: Internet, Telefon und Entertainment fÃ¼r nur 19,99 EUR/mtl.! > http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 16, 2010