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Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

On 04. 02. 2010 10:22, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Ok....I need to host and create the mailing-list somewhere where I can > have admin access and where we can trust and that has maitainance. The > best place I have right now to do that is fgorge, from INRIA. Here the > mailing-lists are inside projects, for example, Pharo. Then, the > mailing-lists you create inside these projects have to follow the name: > "pharo-XXX(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr <mailto:pharo-XXX@lists.gforge.inria.fr>" > > So, it will be pharo-research-smalltalk(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:pharo-research-smalltalk@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > I can change the name of the group after, I think, but not the mail. > > Although we WON'T discuss about forks or dialects and we WON'T be > coupled to Pharo. We will be able to discuss ANY smalltalk dialect. > > Are you agree? Hmm, more neutral name is needed from "political" reasons from the start, IMHO. Any chance to get something like: smalltalk-research(a)lists.smalltalk.org, or smaltalk.st? Let we spend few more days to make this list really well and acceptable froma whole Smalltalk community, and naming from the start is here really important. About hosting the list, if there won't be better possibility, I can offer to host it on my servers. Best regards Janko > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com > <mailto:geert.wl.claes@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > - smalltalk-research > > - research-smalltalk > > - lab-smalltalk > > - smalltalk-lab > > - smalltalk-theory > > - theory-smalltalk > > > > > How about something like "The new Blue Book" :) > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Do-you-want-to-discuss-about-papers-tp1457392p1460377.… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by Serge Stinckwich

2010/2/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Ok....I need to host and create the mailing-list somewhere where I can have > admin access and where we can trust and that has maitainance. The best place > I have right now to do that is fgorge, from INRIA. Here the mailing-lists > are inside projects, for example, Pharo. Then, the mailing-lists you create > inside these projects have to follow the name: > "pharo-XXX(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" > > So, it will be pharo-research-smalltalk(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > I can change the name of the group after, I think, but not the mail. > > Although we WON'T discuss about forks or dialects and we WON'T be coupled to > Pharo. We will be able to discuss ANY smalltalk dialect. > > Are you agree? I think it's not a good idea to make a link between pharo and smalltalk-research. Why not using google groups ? It's very easy to do and you can subscribe to the mailing-list or read the messages on the web. http://groups.google.com/ -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Do you want to discuss about papers?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Ok....I need to host and create the mailing-list somewhere where I can have admin access and where we can trust and that has maitainance. The best place I have right now to do that is fgorge, from INRIA. Here the mailing-lists are inside projects, for example, Pharo. Then, the mailing-lists you create inside these projects have to follow the name: " pharo-XXX(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" So, it will be pharo-research-smalltalk(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr I can change the name of the group after, I think, but not the mail. Although we WON'T discuss about forks or dialects and we WON'T be coupled to Pharo. We will be able to discuss ANY smalltalk dialect. Are you agree? Mariano On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > - smalltalk-research > > - research-smalltalk > > - lab-smalltalk > > - smalltalk-lab > > - smalltalk-theory > > - theory-smalltalk > > > > > How about something like "The new Blue Book" :) > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Do-you-want-to-discuss-about-papers-tp1457392p1460377.… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie question deploying smalltalk applications

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Which reminds me a discussion with noury recently. We should have a script to block the Menu that we don't want to pop up. In the past there was such a script for squeak so we should have a look at it. Stef > Hi Nathan, > > I dont know if the process is still valid but you can have a look at > this: http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/index.html (section 6). > > Cheers, > > Fa > > On 04/02/10 09:48, Nathan Tuttle wrote: >> Awesome! Onemore question. How to bootstrap GUI? When they click on >> image I want then to see my Ui. >> I am still a little lost there. >> >> Thanks again!! >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie question deploying smalltalk applications

by Nathan Tuttle

Thanks! Sent from my iPod On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > I dont know if the process is still valid but you can have a look at > this: http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/index.html (section > 6). > > Cheers, > > Fa > > On 04/02/10 09:48, Nathan Tuttle wrote: >> Awesome! Onemore question. How to bootstrap GUI? When they click on >> image I want then to see my Ui. >> I am still a little lost there. >> >> Thanks again!! >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie question deploying smalltalk applications

by Nathan Tuttle

Aww! That answers a big question. Now just make you windows modal somehow (unadjustable) so you can hide the vm from the user. Maybe that's how... Sent from my iPod On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2010/2/4 Nathan Tuttle <nathan.tuttle(a)gmail.com> > Awesome! Onemore question. How to bootstrap GUI? When they click on > image I want then to see my Ui. > > I have to admit I have ever done serious development with "desktop > applications". I don't understand what is "your UI" so maybe I say > non sense. But, if you save the image with the opened windows, and > everything as you want and close it, when you open the image again, > it will be exactly the same as it was the last time. So, you can > prepare your image as you want and you save it. Then you put it in > the zip. > > I am still a little lost there. > > > No problem. Me too :) > > Thanks again!! > > Sent from my iPod > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:43 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Nathan Tuttle <nathan.tuttle(a)gmail.com >> > wrote: >> I am a ne smalltalker. Trying to figure out how to launch apps to >> users. I have a nice image.but how do I present to someone to use who >> is not a developer? >> >> >> >> Nathan: If you just want it to give it to some persons, suppose >> students, maybe you can just give your own image, or the customize >> the OneClick as Stef said. With the OneClick the only thing you >> have to do is to unzip and double click (it works in Linux, MacOS >> and Windows). Even simpler than an installer. The last OneClick >> image is this one: >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/23260/Pharo1.0-10440-BETAdev09.09O… >> Although we will do a new one for Pharo 1.0 release. >> >> You can just download it, uncompress it, change your .changes >> and .image for YOURs, zip it again and that's all. >> >> If you want, lets say, each person in the world be able to load >> your code, put it in squeaksource. Imagine this like a SVN/CVS >> repository. >> >> Another option is create your own customized .exe installer. >> Torsted can help you here :) >> With this, you can create an .exe windows installer that will >> install the vm, the image, etc. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:08 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> > >> > On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Nathan Tuttle wrote: >> > >> >> I created a CRC calculating algorithm and I want to be able to >> >> deploy my application for other people to use. I am not sure how >> to >> >> package an image so that it is user friendly. >> > >> > Hi nathan >> > >> > what you can do is to copy the OneClick setup and put your image >> > inside? >> > On which OS are you? >> > It would be nice to create a simple how to for such kind of >> question. >> > Let us know your progress and choices/results >> > >> >> Any help would be nice. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >> project >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie question deploying smalltalk applications

by Francois Stephany

Hi Nathan, I dont know if the process is still valid but you can have a look at this: http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/index.html (section 6). Cheers, Fa On 04/02/10 09:48, Nathan Tuttle wrote: > Awesome! Onemore question. How to bootstrap GUI? When they click on > image I want then to see my Ui. > I am still a little lost there. > > Thanks again!! >

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie question deploying smalltalk applications

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/2/4 Nathan Tuttle <nathan.tuttle(a)gmail.com> > Awesome! Onemore question. How to bootstrap GUI? When they click on image I > want then to see my Ui. > I have to admit I have ever done serious development with "desktop applications". I don't understand what is "your UI" so maybe I say non sense. But, if you save the image with the opened windows, and everything as you want and close it, when you open the image again, it will be exactly the same as it was the last time. So, you can prepare your image as you want and you save it. Then you put it in the zip. > I am still a little lost there. > > No problem. Me too :) > Thanks again!! > > Sent from my iPod > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:43 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Nathan Tuttle < <nathan.tuttle(a)gmail.com> > nathan.tuttle(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am a ne smalltalker. Trying to figure out how to launch apps to >> users. I have a nice image.but how do I present to someone to use who >> is not a developer? >> >> > > Nathan: If you just want it to give it to some persons, suppose students, > maybe you can just give your own image, or the customize the OneClick as > Stef said. With the OneClick the only thing you have to do is to unzip and > double click (it works in Linux, MacOS and Windows). Even simpler than an > installer. The last OneClick image is this one: > <https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/23260/Pharo1.0-10440-BETAdev09.09O…> > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/23260/Pharo1.0-10440-BETAdev09.09O… > Although we will do a new one for Pharo 1.0 release. > > You can just download it, uncompress it, change your .changes and .image > for YOURs, zip it again and that's all. > > If you want, lets say, each person in the world be able to load your code, > put it in squeaksource. Imagine this like a SVN/CVS repository. > > Another option is create your own customized .exe installer. Torsted can > help you here :) > With this, you can create an .exe windows installer that will install the > vm, the image, etc. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:08 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> < <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> > >> > On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Nathan Tuttle wrote: >> > >> >> I created a CRC calculating algorithm and I want to be able to >> >> deploy my application for other people to use. I am not sure how to >> >> package an image so that it is user friendly. >> > >> > Hi nathan >> > >> > what you can do is to copy the OneClick setup and put your image >> > inside? >> > On which OS are you? >> > It would be nice to create a simple how to for such kind of question. >> > Let us know your progress and choices/results >> > >> >> Any help would be nice. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> <http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > <http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie question deploying smalltalk applications

by Nathan Tuttle

Awesome! Onemore question. How to bootstrap GUI? When they click on image I want then to see my Ui. I am still a little lost there. Thanks again!! Sent from my iPod On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:43 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Nathan Tuttle > <nathan.tuttle(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am a ne smalltalker. Trying to figure out how to launch apps to > users. I have a nice image.but how do I present to someone to use who > is not a developer? > > > > Nathan: If you just want it to give it to some persons, suppose > students, maybe you can just give your own image, or the customize > the OneClick as Stef said. With the OneClick the only thing you have > to do is to unzip and double click (it works in Linux, MacOS and > Windows). Even simpler than an installer. The last OneClick image is > this one: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/23260/Pharo1.0-10440-BETAdev09.09O… > Although we will do a new one for Pharo 1.0 release. > > You can just download it, uncompress it, change your .changes > and .image for YOURs, zip it again and that's all. > > If you want, lets say, each person in the world be able to load > your code, put it in squeaksource. Imagine this like a SVN/CVS > repository. > > Another option is create your own customized .exe installer. Torsted > can help you here :) > With this, you can create an .exe windows installer that will > install the vm, the image, etc. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > Sent from my iPod > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:08 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Nathan Tuttle wrote: > > > >> I created a CRC calculating algorithm and I want to be able to > >> deploy my application for other people to use. I am not sure how to > >> package an image so that it is user friendly. > > > > Hi nathan > > > > what you can do is to copy the OneClick setup and put your image > > inside? > > On which OS are you? > > It would be nice to create a simple how to for such kind of > question. > > Let us know your progress and choices/results > > > >> Any help would be nice. > >> > >> Thanks > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie question deploying smalltalk applications

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Nathan Tuttle <nathan.tuttle(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I am a ne smalltalker. Trying to figure out how to launch apps to > users. I have a nice image.but how do I present to someone to use who > is not a developer? > > Nathan: If you just want it to give it to some persons, suppose students, maybe you can just give your own image, or the customize the OneClick as Stef said. With the OneClick the only thing you have to do is to unzip and double click (it works in Linux, MacOS and Windows). Even simpler than an installer. The last OneClick image is this one: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/23260/Pharo1.0-10440-BETAdev09.09O… Although we will do a new one for Pharo 1.0 release. You can just download it, uncompress it, change your .changes and .image for YOURs, zip it again and that's all. If you want, lets say, each person in the world be able to load your code, put it in squeaksource. Imagine this like a SVN/CVS repository. Another option is create your own customized .exe installer. Torsted can help you here :) With this, you can create an .exe windows installer that will install the vm, the image, etc. Cheers Mariano > > Sent from my iPod > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:08 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Nathan Tuttle wrote: > > > >> I created a CRC calculating algorithm and I want to be able to > >> deploy my application for other people to use. I am not sure how to > >> package an image so that it is user friendly. > > > > Hi nathan > > > > what you can do is to copy the OneClick setup and put your image > > inside? > > On which OS are you? > > It would be nice to create a simple how to for such kind of question. > > Let us know your progress and choices/results > > > >> Any help would be nice. > >> > >> Thanks > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 4, 2010