February 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Any good shrink scripts for pharo targeting the iPhone with deimos?

by Nathan Tuttle

Want to make my pharo app run a little smoother on my iTouch

Feb. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ScriptManager bugs

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Wow....much better now!! it works perfect. Thanks a lot Torsten. I hope people find it useful. Cheers Mariano On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Mariano, > > I've fixed: > > - #perform:orSendTo: problems > - the "cancel" dialog behavior (#isEmpty -> #isEmptyOrNil) > - text messages > - drag and drop of scripts > - the code to use theming now (Polymorph) > - to use shout workspace (if available) for "tear off" > - a crash when you tried to "import" a non existent file > - the export to warn if file exists > - ... > > The metacello configuration is updated, just use > ConfigurationOfScriptManager > in version 1.0. > > Bye > T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 5, 2010

[Pharo-project] VMMaker metacello config for Squeak and Pharo (update 1.1.)

by Torsten Bergmann

Fernando >And of course you Torsten, i think the next time i want to build a plugin and have >VMMaker is going to be sooo much easy now! Thanks! You either owe me a beer or a Win32 version of your 3D work. You could use the saved time for the last one. Bye Torsten -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL Ã¼ber 1000,- Â¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

Feb. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] VMMaker metacello config for Squeak and Pharo

by Torsten Bergmann

Andreas Raab wrote: >Let's be a bit careful before jumping heads-on into the Metacello >frenzy. Somehow I knew before that you will respond like this ... ;) >I don't mind if people choose to use Metacello to load VMMaker >but it shouldn't be the only option. Hey - Metacello is "just" a package management tool for Monticello using descriptions of the dependencies and the versions that fit together. Anything I did was to create such a configuration. Nobody forces you or other developers to use Metacello - having such an (additional) config does not change the way you are working right now. Use Monticello, SqueakSource, ... as you did before. You can continue to use build scripts, installers, SqueakMap, Universe, whatever ... to load VMMaker. But currently I dont see none of these "loaders" is well maintained (or only with private scripts), anything I've found was a decription from David (see last mail) on the web. And how often does one ask which packages in which version fit together to get VMMaker or other Squeak projects to work. Try to rebuild the SqueakSource server and you know what I'm talking about! Providing and maintaining a metacello spec is simple and works. And the interesting thing is that someone (Dale) is actively maintaining this tool on several Smalltalks - even for Squeak. And as Fernando responded on the pharo list: "And the ConfigurationOfXXX is allowing a new form of communication , unthinkable just a couple of months ago...." Metacello easily allows to have reproducable builds for projects, applications, images ... (see http://astares.blogspot.com/2010/01/pharo-10-release-candidate-2-and-image.…) Someone requires VMMaker in a specific version - just point him to "ConfigurationOfVMMaker" and you are done. >Myself for example, I use customarily a variety of images, none of which >support or are supported by Metacello. Two things - this has nothing to do with Metacello. Your images dont have to have Metacello. So it is just an additional configuration, so why will you bother - it will not affect the way you worked before - it is not the problem of the Squeak community if you use non-Squeak images to build VM's. As community we all have to assure that VMMaker and its loading (with or without Metacello) is well known and works on standard images and the loading and VM building is reproducable by ANYONE! Does the term "Truck Factor" ring a bell? At least your images seem to be able to use Monticello - so why lament. You can continue to work as before and if David could invest a minute to save others from annoying questions about VMMaker loading everything is in good shape and even free's some time in the long term. >It would not be good if we require Metacello to load VMMaker. Is the Linux project in trouble when one create's and publishes a CD with linux packages that fit together? No! Same applies here. You should really have a look first before commenting on Metacello... Bye T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL Ã¼ber 1000,- Â¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

Feb. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] World Menu (was [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:23 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Mariano, > > You will find a changeset attached here > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1937 which add the Help > menu. > > Thanks Laurent! Thanks cool !!! Now, I have another question. It would be cool that the help menu is in the core image. But then, there will be items that should be from the core, suppose a workspace with the shortcuts or something similar and items that are from the PharoDev image, for example, ProfStef. So, my question is, can I integrate this menu in PharoCore, with the current items of PharoCore and then, from outside, suppose when building PharoDev I add things there ? or even ProfStef for example could add himself there when installing (in the metacello post doit). I think this is similar to the problem of the ToolSet. I want to be able to build or modify in runtime the items of a menu :) Is this possible ? Cheers Mariano > Laurent > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:51 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> >> 2010/2/5 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >> >>> >>> 2010/2/4 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I was thinking that there's no entry in the world menu to re-open the >>>> welcome workspace. For beginners it may be useful ? >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I agree. I also though about that but I didn't know where to put it >>> in the menu neither how to code it. Ok, I have several examples to look how >>> to do it, but nil time for the last week :( >>> >>> Where exactly do you think is the best place to put it in the menu ? I >>> said several times about the issue: >>> >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1042 >>> >>> (search in mailing list also) >>> >>> It is OBVIOUS that we are missing a "help menu". >>> >> >> >> I agree >> >> >> >> >>> >>> There we can put also this thing to reopen the welcome workspace. >>> >>> Now....do we have time to do this for 1.0 ? someone ? >>> >> >> >> I will take a look. No promise. >> >> >> In World > Tools: >>>> - duplicated entries: Class Browser, Workspace, Test Runner, Monticello >>>> Browser >>>> >>> >>> These are the most common used tools, that's why they are there. >>> >> >> >> I prefer one thing at one place :) >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> In World > Tools > More: >>>> - Language editor / language editor for.... these tools look strange >>>> :) >>>> >>> >>> And I don't know if they are even working, >>> >>> >>>> - duplicated entries: Monticello Browser, Preference Browser, Test >>>> Runner >>>> - someone use Search Browser and Services Browser ? >>>> - MCConfigurationBrowser: what is the purpose of this tool ? >>>> (may be we can remove this "Other tools" menu, merging it with tools) >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Laurent Laffont >>>> >>>> >>>> >

Feb. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] World Menu (was [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2)

by laurent laffont

Hi Mariano, You will find a changeset attached here http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1937 which add the Help menu. Laurent On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:51 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > 2010/2/5 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > >> >> 2010/2/4 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> >> Hi, >>> >>> I was thinking that there's no entry in the world menu to re-open the >>> welcome workspace. For beginners it may be useful ? >>> >> >> Yes, I agree. I also though about that but I didn't know where to put it >> in the menu neither how to code it. Ok, I have several examples to look how >> to do it, but nil time for the last week :( >> >> Where exactly do you think is the best place to put it in the menu ? I >> said several times about the issue: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1042 >> >> (search in mailing list also) >> >> It is OBVIOUS that we are missing a "help menu". >> > > > I agree > > > > >> >> There we can put also this thing to reopen the welcome workspace. >> >> Now....do we have time to do this for 1.0 ? someone ? >> > > > I will take a look. No promise. > > > In World > Tools: >>> - duplicated entries: Class Browser, Workspace, Test Runner, Monticello >>> Browser >>> >> >> These are the most common used tools, that's why they are there. >> > > > I prefer one thing at one place :) > > > Laurent > > >> >> >>> >>> In World > Tools > More: >>> - Language editor / language editor for.... these tools look strange :) >>> >> >> And I don't know if they are even working, >> >> >>> - duplicated entries: Monticello Browser, Preference Browser, Test Runner >>> - someone use Search Browser and Services Browser ? >>> - MCConfigurationBrowser: what is the purpose of this tool ? >>> (may be we can remove this "Other tools" menu, merging it with tools) >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Laurent Laffont >>> >>> >>>

Feb. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11194

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I'm leaving to spain so if my wife sees that I reply to email I'm dead :) so no integration from my side this evening.... packing packing On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > On 05.02.2010 20:11, Yanni Chiu wrote: >> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> Low stress :) >>> >>> Just publish a slice and it will be fixed. >>> I like alpha/unstable/cutting edge just because we are allowed to break the system :) >>> >> Yep, breaking the system is okay for now. I just set up my build to >> track the updates so I could get a heads-up on possible 1.1 issues, >> while developing on 1.0. >> > And a good thing that is :D > > In SLICE-OffByOneAndConverterRevert > (Remember to apply the postscript) > > Cheers, > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11194

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Yanni Chiu wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> Low stress :) >> >> Just publish a slice and it will be fixed. >> I like alpha/unstable/cutting edge just because we are allowed to break the system :) > > Yep, breaking the system is okay for now. I just set up my build to > track the updates so I could get a heads-up on possible 1.1 issues, > while developing on 1.0. Excellent I appreciate this effort because it really helps us. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11194

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 05.02.2010 20:11, Yanni Chiu wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Low stress :) >> >> Just publish a slice and it will be fixed. >> I like alpha/unstable/cutting edge just because we are allowed to break the system :) >> > Yep, breaking the system is okay for now. I just set up my build to > track the updates so I could get a heads-up on possible 1.1 issues, > while developing on 1.0. > And a good thing that is :D In SLICE-OffByOneAndConverterRevert (Remember to apply the postscript) Cheers, Henry

Feb. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11194

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 05.02.2010 20:01, Yanni Chiu wrote: > Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > >>> i<= 128 ifTrue:[ >>> NonAsciiMap at: i put: 0. "valid ascii subset" >>> ] ifFalse:[ >>> NonAsciiMap at: i put: 1. "extended charset" >>> >>> ]. >>> ]. >>> >>> Notice the "i<= 128" vs. "i< 128". That fixes it, but now the concept >>> of NonAsciiMap is wrong. I'm not sure what the final fix should be. >>> >>> >>> >> No, that's me making an off-by-one error :S >> The i<= 128 is correct. >> > Then the comments are misleading, because 128 is in the extended charset. > > Yes, but arrays in smalltalk start on index 1 instead of 0. So the map has char 0 at index 1, and char 127 at index 128. Cheers, Henry

Feb. 5, 2010