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Re: [Pharo-project] ScriptManager [WAS] Re: recovering closed workspace

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

On looking at it, it appears not to really use folder and files. It might be more interesting to have a tree of scripts, which is what I did in QuickCode and have never regretted the decision. However, it looks like the help browser already does the needed tricks, and IMHO in a little nicer looking way too. Some of the more helpful buttons appear to be gone at the moment, but I suspect there is room to merge things to get the best of both. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:45 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] ScriptManager [WAS] Re: recovering closed workspace On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: I've never really given it any thought, and workspaces do the job, but I'll kick the tires. The first thing I noticed is that when it asks for a file name, it does not use a fileopen dialog :( Same for "new folder." I assume these things go under the image folder, but the dialogs would/should make that explicit. I see no way to turn off syntax highlighting, which I often do for my scripts because they contain more notes than code and the highlighting gets in the way. Hi Bill. I think both suggestions are good. Maybe you or Torsten have time to it. Basically, both can be done. Open a file dialog instead of just asking the name of the file / folder. And the other one, now that in pharo 1.2 we have the samlltalk and text editor, it would be easy. We can have "notes" and "scripts". Notes can just open a text editor (without colors and completion) and "scripts" a shout workspace with autocompletion + colors. Cheers mariano BTW, Shout is amazing and is exceedingly helpful in the browsers and debugger. I try to mention that on the rare instances that highlighting is unwelcome. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com<mailto:marianopeck@gmail.com>] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:26 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] recovering closed workspace On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com><mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>>> wrote: Why not having a popup asking "do you want to close it?" if it has changes? Just as any other text editor... that would be helpful, but annoying at the same time. (less than 5% of my workspace has content that I would regret of closing) Since I guess you are in a dev image, why just not using the tool Script Manager for those important workspaces with alot of stuff ? . With this you can save them and do what you want. At the same time, it is not annoying in all workspaces... cheers mariano On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:12 PM, sergio_101 <sergiolist(a)village-buzz.com<mailto:sergiolist@village-buzz.com><mailto:sergiolist@village-buzz.com<mailto:sergiolist@village-buzz.com>>> wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu><mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>>> wrote: > Not a perfect solution, but have you tried simply saving the text to a file? > yes.. i was just hoping for something a little more elegant.. thanks! -- ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary http://www.CodingForHire.com http://www.coffee-black.com http://www.painlessfrugality.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ScriptManager [WAS] Re: recovering closed workspace

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > wrote: > My main problem is that I have not an image I use all the time. I have > tons of images and I lost my scripts **ALWAYS** when I switch between them > or use new ones :(. > > me too > Maybe Script manager solves my problem... I have to check it. > > yes, because you can save the scripts in certain folder. Then you just need to import your folder. Even more...(be magic).. you can have your ConfigurationOfGuillermoPolitoImages which loads all the packages that you want and are not in the pharo dev image, and then, execute lots of scripts and post do its like this one. You can just evaluate by code, to read that folder and set it to ScriptManager... Having your own script/conf that prepares your image with your test is great. > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: >> >>> I've never really given it any thought, and workspaces do the job, but >>> I'll kick the tires. The first thing I noticed is that when it asks for a >>> file name, it does not use a fileopen dialog :( Same for "new folder." I >>> assume these things go under the image folder, but the dialogs would/should >>> make that explicit. I see no way to turn off syntax highlighting, which I >>> often do for my scripts because they contain more notes than code and the >>> highlighting gets in the way. >>> >> >> Hi Bill. I think both suggestions are good. Maybe you or Torsten have time >> to it. Basically, both can be done. Open a file dialog instead of just >> asking the name of the file / folder. And the other one, now that in pharo >> 1.2 we have the samlltalk and text editor, it would be easy. We can have >> "notes" and "scripts". Notes can just open a text editor (without colors and >> completion) and "scripts" a shout workspace with autocompletion + colors. >> >> Cheers >> >> mariano >> >> >>> BTW, Shout is amazing and is exceedingly helpful in the browsers and >>> debugger. I try to mention that on the rare instances that highlighting is >>> unwelcome. >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >>> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano >>> Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:26 PM >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] recovering closed workspace >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Guillermo Polito < >>> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Why not having a popup asking "do you want to close it?" if it has >>> changes? Just as any other text editor... >>> >>> that would be helpful, but annoying at the same time. (less than 5% of my >>> workspace has content that I would regret of closing) >>> >>> Since I guess you are in a dev image, why just not using the tool Script >>> Manager for those important workspaces with alot of stuff ? . With this you >>> can save them and do what you want. >>> At the same time, it is not annoying in all workspaces... >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> mariano >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:12 PM, sergio_101 <sergiolist(a)village-buzz.com >>> <mailto:sergiolist@village-buzz.com>> wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu >>> <mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: >>> > Not a perfect solution, but have you tried simply saving the text to a >>> file? >>> > >>> >>> yes.. i was just hoping for something a little more elegant.. >>> >>> thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> ---- >>> peace, >>> sergio >>> photographer, journalist, visionary >>> >>> http://www.CodingForHire.com >>> http://www.coffee-black.com >>> http://www.painlessfrugality.com >>> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 >>> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3487 in pharo: Add proxy settings to settings

by Guillermo Polito

Ahh, I didn't look there... On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:51 PM, <pharo(a)googlecode.com> wrote: > > Comment #2 on issue 3487 by aplantec: Add proxy settings to settings > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3487 > > but we have also user and password, check 'Use network authentification'. > is it ok ? > maybe we should group port, server, user name and password all together. > > >

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ScriptManager [WAS] Re: recovering closed workspace

by Guillermo Polito

My main problem is that I have not an image I use all the time. I have tons of images and I lost my scripts **ALWAYS** when I switch between them or use new ones :(. Maybe Script manager solves my problem... I have to check it. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > >> I've never really given it any thought, and workspaces do the job, but >> I'll kick the tires. The first thing I noticed is that when it asks for a >> file name, it does not use a fileopen dialog :( Same for "new folder." I >> assume these things go under the image folder, but the dialogs would/should >> make that explicit. I see no way to turn off syntax highlighting, which I >> often do for my scripts because they contain more notes than code and the >> highlighting gets in the way. >> > > Hi Bill. I think both suggestions are good. Maybe you or Torsten have time > to it. Basically, both can be done. Open a file dialog instead of just > asking the name of the file / folder. And the other one, now that in pharo > 1.2 we have the samlltalk and text editor, it would be easy. We can have > "notes" and "scripts". Notes can just open a text editor (without colors and > completion) and "scripts" a shout workspace with autocompletion + colors. > > Cheers > > mariano > > >> BTW, Shout is amazing and is exceedingly helpful in the browsers and >> debugger. I try to mention that on the rare instances that highlighting is >> unwelcome. >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano >> Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:26 PM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] recovering closed workspace >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Guillermo Polito < >> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Why not having a popup asking "do you want to close it?" if it has >> changes? Just as any other text editor... >> >> that would be helpful, but annoying at the same time. (less than 5% of my >> workspace has content that I would regret of closing) >> >> Since I guess you are in a dev image, why just not using the tool Script >> Manager for those important workspaces with alot of stuff ? . With this you >> can save them and do what you want. >> At the same time, it is not annoying in all workspaces... >> >> cheers >> >> mariano >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:12 PM, sergio_101 <sergiolist(a)village-buzz.com >> <mailto:sergiolist@village-buzz.com>> wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu >> <mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: >> > Not a perfect solution, but have you tried simply saving the text to a >> file? >> > >> >> yes.. i was just hoping for something a little more elegant.. >> >> thanks! >> >> -- >> ---- >> peace, >> sergio >> photographer, journalist, visionary >> >> http://www.CodingForHire.com >> http://www.coffee-black.com >> http://www.painlessfrugality.com >> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 >> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101 >> >> >> >> >> >

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3487 in pharo: Add proxy settings to settings

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Comment #2 on issue 3487 by aplantec: Add proxy settings to settings http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3487 but we have also user and password, check 'Use network authentification'. is it ok ? maybe we should group port, server, user name and password all together.

Dec. 28, 2010

[Pharo-project] ScriptManager [WAS] Re: recovering closed workspace

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > I've never really given it any thought, and workspaces do the job, but I'll > kick the tires. The first thing I noticed is that when it asks for a file > name, it does not use a fileopen dialog :( Same for "new folder." I assume > these things go under the image folder, but the dialogs would/should make > that explicit. I see no way to turn off syntax highlighting, which I often > do for my scripts because they contain more notes than code and the > highlighting gets in the way. > Hi Bill. I think both suggestions are good. Maybe you or Torsten have time to it. Basically, both can be done. Open a file dialog instead of just asking the name of the file / folder. And the other one, now that in pharo 1.2 we have the samlltalk and text editor, it would be easy. We can have "notes" and "scripts". Notes can just open a text editor (without colors and completion) and "scripts" a shout workspace with autocompletion + colors. Cheers mariano > BTW, Shout is amazing and is exceedingly helpful in the browsers and > debugger. I try to mention that on the rare instances that highlighting is > unwelcome. > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez > Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:26 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] recovering closed workspace > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Guillermo Polito < > guillermopolito(a)gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: > Why not having a popup asking "do you want to close it?" if it has > changes? Just as any other text editor... > > that would be helpful, but annoying at the same time. (less than 5% of my > workspace has content that I would regret of closing) > > Since I guess you are in a dev image, why just not using the tool Script > Manager for those important workspaces with alot of stuff ? . With this you > can save them and do what you want. > At the same time, it is not annoying in all workspaces... > > cheers > > mariano > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:12 PM, sergio_101 <sergiolist(a)village-buzz.com > <mailto:sergiolist@village-buzz.com>> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > <mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: > > Not a perfect solution, but have you tried simply saving the text to a > file? > > > > yes.. i was just hoping for something a little more elegant.. > > thanks! > > -- > ---- > peace, > sergio > photographer, journalist, visionary > > http://www.CodingForHire.com > http://www.coffee-black.com > http://www.painlessfrugality.com > http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 > http://www.facebook.com/sergio101 > > > > >

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] recovering closed workspace

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

After a little more prodding, ScriptManager looks a lot like QuickCode, which I still use in my Dolphin image. It's great for storing/filing lots of rarely used incantations. I still like a workspace for notes and development. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:58 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] recovering closed workspace I've never really given it any thought, and workspaces do the job, but I'll kick the tires. The first thing I noticed is that when it asks for a file name, it does not use a fileopen dialog :( Same for "new folder." I assume these things go under the image folder, but the dialogs would/should make that explicit. I see no way to turn off syntax highlighting, which I often do for my scripts because they contain more notes than code and the highlighting gets in the way. BTW, Shout is amazing and is exceedingly helpful in the browsers and debugger. I try to mention that on the rare instances that highlighting is unwelcome. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:26 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] recovering closed workspace On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: Why not having a popup asking "do you want to close it?" if it has changes? Just as any other text editor... that would be helpful, but annoying at the same time. (less than 5% of my workspace has content that I would regret of closing) Since I guess you are in a dev image, why just not using the tool Script Manager for those important workspaces with alot of stuff ? . With this you can save them and do what you want. At the same time, it is not annoying in all workspaces... cheers mariano On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:12 PM, sergio_101 <sergiolist(a)village-buzz.com<mailto:sergiolist@village-buzz.com>> wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: > Not a perfect solution, but have you tried simply saving the text to a file? > yes.. i was just hoping for something a little more elegant.. thanks! -- ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary http://www.CodingForHire.com http://www.coffee-black.com http://www.painlessfrugality.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3487 in pharo: Add proxy settings to settings

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Cc: aplantec Comment #1 on issue 3487 by marianopeck: Add proxy settings to settings http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3487 Yes we have! In settings -> network -> "Use HTTP proxy" But it seems we have only port and server. Wierd...beofre we had also username and password. I even remember some issues I discussed with Alain.

Dec. 28, 2010

[Pharo-project] Issue 3487 in pharo: Add proxy settings to settings

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Status: Accepted Owner: guillermopolito New issue 3487 by guillermopolito: Add proxy settings to settings http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3487 We have no setting for proxy url, port, user or password. And I'm tired of configurating it by hand.

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3485 in pharo: VMMaker does not load on Pharo 1.2

by Igor Stasenko

On 28 December 2010 19:04, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:47 AM, <pharo(a)googlecode.com> wrote: >> >> Comment #3 on issue 3485 by stephane.ducasse: VMMaker does not load on >> Pharo 1.2 >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3485 >> >> The documented format is: >> >> Timestampstrings can be of the form: >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <authorname><date><time>. >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <authorname><date> >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <date><time> >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <date><time><authorname> >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <date><authorname> >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <historical> >> wow thats incredible.. can you add there support for: <author-><time><-name><date> cause i prefer this format for myself? :) > > Says /who/? Â When I created all these timestamps to document a refactoring > change there was no documented restriction on timestamps I could see. Â Why > impose restrictions which have little value? Â Why needlessly break > compatibility? Â That timestamp *contains useful information*. Â Why ban it? Information is useful, if it can be understood by system , which can extract three distinct fields, like <author> <comment> <date&time> but when information looks like a soup where different things put in random order and random <historical> format, then it is just garbage. Still, i agree it is useful, even in such messy form, but only to human reader, and unfortunately not to system, since it have no means to distinguish where this method comes from, who is author and what is datestamp of it. Would you like to query a system some day, like: 'show me all methods modified by Mr. Eliot Miranda in Dec 2010' ? If yes, then probably we should think about some formalism there. At least, please stop inventing new format types each other day, which will confuse already complex parser. > If you *want* VMMaker to load in Pharo you need to ensure that Pharo > supports the timestamps *that exist* not the timestamps you want to impose > on the community. obviously, pharo can't impose any rules to projects which developed outside pharo. > best > Eliot >> >> So may the best is to republish a method with the correct timestamp. >> >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 28, 2010