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Re: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it...

by Joseph T. Bore

ive had my fingers in knots over here trying what seems like every control/alt/shift left button/right button combination. control is usually the way to get the alternate click on a mac with one button but this is the third button. im having no luck. On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Not sure, having no Mac (only iPad etc...) > Try opt-shift clicks perhaps? > Shift is a definite component of the magic combination! > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph T. Bore" <jbore(a)tjtech.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it... > > > > anyway to get that on a mac with a 2 button mouse? im on a laptop, i have 2 buttons, but not three. is there some preference that can be set to give me access to that? > > > On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> Try shift-mid-click on morph for halo. >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph T. Bore" <jbore(a)tjtech.com> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:16 PM >> Subject: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it... >> >> >> >> am i doing something obviously wrong?: >> >> i have downloaded Pharo 1.1.1 (single click) for Mac OSX >> >> bring up the image then: >> >> Morph new openInWorld, do it. (get a nice blue square, perfect) >> >> click to pick it up and move it around, all is well >> >> control click, brings up menu for morph >> >> here is where the problems start >> >> delete menu option, Blue square wont go away... >> >> add halos menu option gives halos but they are on the PasteupMorph (the desktop i think). >> >> i cant find any way to get rid of this morph, will i have a blue friend forever? >> >> im sure im doing something obviously wrong, just dont know what it is... >> >> >> > > >

Dec. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it...

by Gary Chambers

Not sure, having no Mac (only iPad etc...) Try opt-shift clicks perhaps? Shift is a definite component of the magic combination! Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph T. Bore" <jbore(a)tjtech.com> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it... anyway to get that on a mac with a 2 button mouse? im on a laptop, i have 2 buttons, but not three. is there some preference that can be set to give me access to that? On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Try shift-mid-click on morph for halo. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph T. Bore" <jbore(a)tjtech.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it... > > > > am i doing something obviously wrong?: > > i have downloaded Pharo 1.1.1 (single click) for Mac OSX > > bring up the image then: > > Morph new openInWorld, do it. (get a nice blue square, perfect) > > click to pick it up and move it around, all is well > > control click, brings up menu for morph > > here is where the problems start > > delete menu option, Blue square wont go away... > > add halos menu option gives halos but they are on the PasteupMorph (the > desktop i think). > > i cant find any way to get rid of this morph, will i have a blue friend > forever? > > im sure im doing something obviously wrong, just dont know what it is... > > >

Dec. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel - a fast object deployment tool

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Dec 8, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > It look cool! > Is this a better ImageSegment? there is no VM code implied and you do not get all the problems of imageSegment. You should ask is it better than SmartRefStreams. Yes Now the code has not been optimized > > Alexandre > > > On 8 Dec 2010, at 13:50, Martin Dias wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Last months I and Tristan have been working on Fuel project, an object >> binary serialization tool. The idea is that objects are much more >> times loaded than stored, therefore it is worth to spend time while >> storing in order to have faster loading and user experience. We >> present an implementation of a pickle format that is based on >> clustering similar objects. >> >> There is a summary of the project below, but more complete information >> is available here: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel >> >> The implementation still needs a lot of work to be really useful, >> optimizations should be done, but we'll be glad to get feedback of the >> community. >> >> >> = Pickle format = >> >> The pickle format and the serialization algorithm main idea, is >> explained in this slides: >> >> http://www.slideshare.net/tinchodias/fuel-serialization-in-an-example >> >> >> = Current features = >> >> - Class shape changing (when a variable has been added, or removed, or >> its index changed) >> - Serialize most of the basic objects. >> - Serialize (almost) any CompiledMethod >> - Detection of global or class variables >> - Support for cyclic object graphs >> - Tests >> >> >> = Next steps = >> >> - Improve version checking. >> - Optimize performance. >> - Serialize more kinds of objects: >> -- Class with its complete description. >> -- Method contexts >> -- Active block closures >> -- Continuation >> - Some improvements for the user: >> -- pre and post actions to be executed. >> -- easily say 'this object is singleton'. >> - Partial loading of a stored graph. >> - Fast statistics/brief info extraction of a stored graph. >> - ConfigurationOfFuel. >> - Be able to deploy materialization behavior only (independent from >> the serialization behavior) >> >> >> = Download = >> >> In a Pharo 1.1 or 1.1.1 evaluate: >> >> Gofer new >> squeaksource: 'Fuel'; >> version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.74'; >> version: 'FuelBenchmarks-MartinDias.4'; >> load. >> >> >> = Benchmarks = >> >> You can run benchmarks executing this line (results in Transcript): >> >> FLBenchmarks newBasic run. >> >> >> Thank you! >> Martin Dias >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > >

Dec. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3385 in pharo: TextEditor doest not understand #model

by Levente Uzonyi

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Francisco Ortiz Pe?aloza wrote: > Levente, > > that's weird, i'm sending you a screenshot i'm running PharoCore 12271 > with Ocompletion-ul.88 loaded Right, I forgot to change the ToolSet to ECToolSet. Now I see the problem. > > I really like how you clear the way with these two questions, > - should OCompletion be used in that panel? > - should that panel use TextEditor instead of SmalltalkEditor? > > Using OCompletion is ok i think, in another email i said that having two way > autocompletion with the TextEditor element and the recent WHATEVER used list > above dont make sense to me, but some argue that they use their mouse to go > to a recently used class. > > i think the finder window should be minimal, just the input text element -no > recent used list- and have autocompletion (ie. web autocompletion). As web > users we see that a lot, i will not miss the recent WHATEVER list. A big +1 (note that I'm not a Pharo user). If there's need for the recent classes, then it should be available via a different menu item + shortcut. > > On your second question, imho we're trying to find a Smalltalk class or > Smalltalk WHATEVER, could be better to have a SmalltalkEditor instance > instead of TextEditor one. If the idea is to keep this tool this way (recent classes list + no autocompleter), then I'd probably change it to SmalltalkEditor. But adding the method #model to TextMorph will "fix" this problem anyway. Levente > > Cheers, > Francisco > > [image: PharoScreenshot.1.png] > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> I agree with Levente. The basic completion (cmd-q) is also only usable with >> a SmalltalkEditor. >> Cheers >> Alain >> >> Le 08/12/2010 03:58, Levente Uzonyi a Ã©crit : >> >> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Francisco Ortiz Pe?aloza wrote: >>> >>> So Levente you're saying that given the following use case you musn't add >>>> #model to TextEditor but change TextEditor collaboration with an instance >>>> of >>>> SmalltalkEditor >>>> >>>> OCompletion works well to edit code in the system browser as is, the DNU >>>> occurs when as an example you do a class find (Cmd+f) on SystemBrowser >>>> and >>>> you start typing on that "Class name or fragment" window looking for >>>> something. >>>> >>> >>> Adding the accessor is fine of course, it may be useful for other things >>> too. I'm saying that OCompletion is intended to work in places where code >>> completion is necessary and those places are usually SmalltalkEditors. There >>> are two things to think about: >>> - should OCompletion be used in that panel? >>> - should that panel use TextEditor instead of SmalltalkEditor? >>> >>> Btw using the latest version of PharoCore (12271) I can't reproduce the >>> error in the way you described it. >>> >>> >>> Levente >>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Francisco >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)elte.hu> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, pharo(a)googlecode.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Status: Accepted >>>>> >>>>>> Owner: guillermopolito >>>>>> >>>>>> New issue 3385 by guillermopolito: TextEditor doest not understand >>>>>> #model >>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3385 >>>>>> >>>>>> The accessor should be added to load last version of OCompletion in >>>>>> Core >>>>>> 1.2 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OCompletion shouldn't be used in a TextEditor. OCompletion is for >>>>> Smalltalk >>>>> code completion, while TextEditor is intended to be a text editor (ask >>>>> Juan). That's why OCompletion adds the model accessor to SmalltalkEditor >>>>> and >>>>> not to TextEditor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Levente >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >

Dec. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel - a fast object deployment tool

by Alexandre Bergel

It look cool! Is this a better ImageSegment? Alexandre On 8 Dec 2010, at 13:50, Martin Dias wrote: > Hi all > > Last months I and Tristan have been working on Fuel project, an object > binary serialization tool. The idea is that objects are much more > times loaded than stored, therefore it is worth to spend time while > storing in order to have faster loading and user experience. We > present an implementation of a pickle format that is based on > clustering similar objects. > > There is a summary of the project below, but more complete information > is available here: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel > > The implementation still needs a lot of work to be really useful, > optimizations should be done, but we'll be glad to get feedback of the > community. > > > = Pickle format = > > The pickle format and the serialization algorithm main idea, is > explained in this slides: > > http://www.slideshare.net/tinchodias/fuel-serialization-in-an-example > > > = Current features = > > - Class shape changing (when a variable has been added, or removed, or > its index changed) > - Serialize most of the basic objects. > - Serialize (almost) any CompiledMethod > - Detection of global or class variables > - Support for cyclic object graphs > - Tests > > > = Next steps = > > - Improve version checking. > - Optimize performance. > - Serialize more kinds of objects: > -- Class with its complete description. > -- Method contexts > -- Active block closures > -- Continuation > - Some improvements for the user: > -- pre and post actions to be executed. > -- easily say 'this object is singleton'. > - Partial loading of a stored graph. > - Fast statistics/brief info extraction of a stored graph. > - ConfigurationOfFuel. > - Be able to deploy materialization behavior only (independent from > the serialization behavior) > > > = Download = > > In a Pharo 1.1 or 1.1.1 evaluate: > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'Fuel'; > version: 'Fuel-MartinDias.74'; > version: 'FuelBenchmarks-MartinDias.4'; > load. > > > = Benchmarks = > > You can run benchmarks executing this line (results in Transcript): > > FLBenchmarks newBasic run. > > > Thank you! > Martin Dias > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 8, 2010

[Pharo-project] Finder issue?

by Francisco Ortiz PeÃ±aloza

Hi, after loading last Shout on PharoCore the new Finder isn't working properly. Let's see PluggableShoutMorph>>initialize registers Shout in AppRegistry as the default MorphicTextEditor but FinderUI>>buildSourceTextArea uses a PluggableTextMorph. I think it should be using the more dinamic *MorphicTextEditor default*insted of the hardcoded PluggableTextMorph. Am i right? Francisco

Dec. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it...

by Joseph T. Bore

anyway to get that on a mac with a 2 button mouse? im on a laptop, i have 2 buttons, but not three. is there some preference that can be set to give me access to that? On Dec 8, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > Try shift-mid-click on morph for halo. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph T. Bore" <jbore(a)tjtech.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it... > > > > am i doing something obviously wrong?: > > i have downloaded Pharo 1.1.1 (single click) for Mac OSX > > bring up the image then: > > Morph new openInWorld, do it. (get a nice blue square, perfect) > > click to pick it up and move it around, all is well > > control click, brings up menu for morph > > here is where the problems start > > delete menu option, Blue square wont go away... > > add halos menu option gives halos but they are on the PasteupMorph (the desktop i think). > > i cant find any way to get rid of this morph, will i have a blue friend forever? > > im sure im doing something obviously wrong, just dont know what it is... > > >

Dec. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it...

by Gary Chambers

Try shift-mid-click on morph for halo. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph T. Bore" <jbore(a)tjtech.com> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it... am i doing something obviously wrong?: i have downloaded Pharo 1.1.1 (single click) for Mac OSX bring up the image then: Morph new openInWorld, do it. (get a nice blue square, perfect) click to pick it up and move it around, all is well control click, brings up menu for morph here is where the problems start delete menu option, Blue square wont go away... add halos menu option gives halos but they are on the PasteupMorph (the desktop i think). i cant find any way to get rid of this morph, will i have a blue friend forever? im sure im doing something obviously wrong, just dont know what it is...

Dec. 8, 2010

[Pharo-project] Morph wont delete in pharo, cant select it...

by Joseph T. Bore

am i doing something obviously wrong?: i have downloaded Pharo 1.1.1 (single click) for Mac OSX bring up the image then: Morph new openInWorld, do it. (get a nice blue square, perfect) click to pick it up and move it around, all is well control click, brings up menu for morph here is where the problems start delete menu option, Blue square wont go away... add halos menu option gives halos but they are on the PasteupMorph (the desktop i think). i cant find any way to get rid of this morph, will i have a blue friend forever? im sure im doing something obviously wrong, just dont know what it is...

Dec. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Popularity or not of smalltalk?

by Alexandre Bergel

What is a reentrant interpret? Alexandre On 8 Dec 2010, at 14:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> >> Indeed. An immature FFI, lack of dll options etc. Integration is indeed one of the biggest weaknesses. But we're making progress here. So things may be different in months, if not years. > > Eliot did you get interpret reentrant? > Because we are discussing that point with igor and yes we want that to have :) > > Stef > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 8, 2010