November 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Image size

by Oscar E A Callau

Hi, I did ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRealese on my pharo1.1.1 image and I get an index out of bounds error. Doing a debug, I found the source: a 0-length method category name on MCVersion class. So, I move all methods in that category to another and it just works (except for my image size that go from 95MB to 87MB :-). Cheers On Nov 16, 2010, at 14:10 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Hernan, > I did ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease on my fat image and It's 31 MB again. There is black magic in cleanUpForRelease :-P. > > Yes check it's implementation. I think the biggest black magic is the MC history. > BTW, maybe we should add Transcript log to show each statement the amount of memory that is released? or something like that.... > > cheers > > mariano > > > Thanks, > Facu > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Facundo, > > Which Pharo version are you using? > > Try, > > ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. > > I'm working with Seaside, Magma, XML, WebClient, VMMaker, OB, Glamour, > Mondrian, etc. plus my own projects and image size is 30Mb > Cheers, > > 2010/11/16 Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi, > > I have one of my development pharo image with 103 MB of size. Is there an > > normal image size on Pharo? I clean my system orphan instances and > > WARegistry clearAllHandlers but it continue with that size. > > There is on Pharo any tool like to Space Breakdown Chris Upal Dolphin > > Package (http://metagnostic.dolphinmap.net/SpaceBreakdown.html)? > > Thanks you, > > Facundo > > > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Information Technology Manager, > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > > >

Nov. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoKernel #12229

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Pavel, Opening PharoKernel-1.2-12229 raises the following information dialog: "Pharo cannot write to the changes file named ....PharoKernel-Core-1.2-12229.changes Please check that you have write permission for this file You won't be able to save this image correctly until you fix this" under Pharo 4.0.2 VM 12/04/2010 and Win XP SP3. I cannot copy the debug report trace because after pressing Ctrl+C another exception is raised and there is no menu option to copy text (see the attachment). Permissions are intact and similar to other working .changes files in the same directory, should I use a special VM or open the image in a non-standard way? Cheers, 2010/11/6 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > I uploaded an updated version of PharoKernel. It is now able to load > all PharoCore packages (resultant image included). > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27904/PharoKernel-1.2-12229.zip > > If you want to use DejaVu fonts, uncomment in the file initCore.st this lines: > > Gofer it > Â squeaksource: 'DejaVu'; > Â package: 'DejaVuBitmapFonts'; > Â load. > (Smalltalk globals at: #DejaVuHolder) installFull. > StandardFonts restoreDefaultFonts. > > Please check the generated PharoCore image and open issues for errors > because it shows that the packages are missing some initialization > code. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > -- HernÃ¡n Morales Information Technology Manager, Institute of Veterinary Genetics. National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. Internal: 422 Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799.

Nov. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem with de Traits

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Diogenes Moreira < diogenes.moreira(a)gmail.com> wrote: > well,, that was extrange.. > I'm add this line to my method.. > > > classesIncluded > | includes | > includes := OrderedCollection new. > * TSSerosDB users do:[:e | Transcript show: e printString ;cr].* > > TSSerosDB users do:[ :aClass | self processClass: aClass into: includes ]. > ^ includes. > > And that start work well.. I dont have any Idea what happeng here... but > work.. > > Thank for you answer.. > > BTW im using Pharo 1.2 one click env, > There is no Pharo 1.2 one click ;) > in ubuntu linux. > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:54 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > TPureBehavior users do: [:e | Transcript show: e printString ;cr] > > > > TraitBehavior > > Behavior > > > > in 1.1 and 1.2 > > > > so may be you should mentioned your configuration and also get an example > that we can run. > > It would be more efficient to help you, isn't? > > > > Stef > > > > On Nov 12, 2010, at 2:07 AM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: > > > >> Hi Folks.. > >> > >> I have the following method > >> > >> > >> classesIncluded > >> | includes | > >> includes := OrderedCollection new. > >> TSSerosDB users do:[ :aClass | self processClass: aClass into: > includes ]. > >> ^ includes. > >> > >> > >> TSSerosDB is a Trait.. > >> > >> Well when I run the process, I get a MNU.. reciver of users is nil > >> > >> But If I inspect "TSSerosDB users", i get a Identity Set... > >> > >> What's wrong.. why the debugger get something different to another > process > >> > >> Thanks in advance.. > >> > > > > > > > >

Nov. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Phrase about Smalltalk and Ruby

by Noury Bouraqadi

On 16 nov. 2010, at 18:13, Gabriel Brunstein wrote: > maybe Kent was a little drunk at that moment > :) Or, may be that was before Pharo (see citation on the pharo web ;-) Noury > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Ramon...Jorge was right (we discussed in the bus and he says it was him)...it was Kent Beck :) > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ramon Leon <ramon.leon(a)allresnet.com> wrote: > On 11/15/2010 08:35 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi all. I remember a phrase someone said few months ago and it was > something like "I kew Smalltalk was going to reborn, but I didn't know > it was going to be called Ruby". > > Do you remember how exactly the phrase was? do you know the name of the > author? > > thanks > > Mariano > > "I always knew that one day Smalltalk would replace Java. I just didn't know it would be called Ruby." -- Kent Beck > > -- > Ramon Leon > http://onsmalltalk.com > > >

Nov. 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] permutations / combinations implementation

by Chris Muller

Hi, you might also be interested in #maPermutationsDo: in the "Ma base additions" package. "I am a collection of other SequenceableCollections. For each combination of elements in my element-Collections, value aBlock with the arguments Array of each combination of elements." On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Is there an implementation of permutations and combinations of a collection? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Presenting is storytelling." > > >

Nov. 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Image size

by Guillermo Polito

Does it have a GUI? I want to browse it... SpaceTally is hidden for users who doesn't know it... On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > SpaceTally? > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Guillermo Polito > <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > How difficult can it be to have a "memory browser" o something like it, > to > > tell us the state of our image and do nicely the script loader cleaning > > stuff? > > > > I have no time now... but it would be nice. > > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Hernan, > >>> I did ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease on my fat image and It's 31 MB > >>> again. There is black magic in cleanUpForRelease :-P. > >> > >> Yes check it's implementation. I think the biggest black magic is the MC > >> history. > >> BTW, maybe we should add Transcript log to show each statement the > amount > >> of memory that is released? or something like that.... > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> mariano > >> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Facu > >>> > >>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > >>> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Facundo, > >>>> > >>>> Which Pharo version are you using? > >>>> > >>>> Try, > >>>> > >>>> ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. > >>>> > >>>> I'm working with Seaside, Magma, XML, WebClient, VMMaker, OB, Glamour, > >>>> Mondrian, etc. plus my own projects and image size is 30Mb > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> 2010/11/16 Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com>: > >>>> > Hi, > >>>> > I have one of my development pharo image with 103 MB of size. Is > there > >>>> > an > >>>> > normal image size on Pharo? I clean my system orphan instances and > >>>> > WARegistry clearAllHandlers but it continue with that size. > >>>> > There is on Pharo any tool like to Space Breakdown Chris Upal > Dolphin > >>>> > Package (http://metagnostic.dolphinmap.net/SpaceBreakdown.html)? > >>>> > Thanks you, > >>>> > Facundo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> HernÃ¡n Morales > >>>> Information Technology Manager, > >>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >>>> Internal: 422 > >>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >

Nov. 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Image size

by Chris Muller

SpaceTally? On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > How difficult can it be to have a "memory browser" o something like it, to > tell us the state of our image and do nicely the script loader cleaning > stuff? > > I have no time now... but it would be nice. > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Hernan, >>> I didÂ ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease on my fat image and It's 31 MB >>> again. There is black magic in cleanUpForRelease :-P. >> >> Yes check it's implementation. I think the biggest black magic is the MC >> history. >> BTW, maybe we should add Transcript log to show each statement the amount >> of memory that is released? or something like that.... >> >> cheers >> >> mariano >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Facu >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >>> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Facundo, >>>> >>>> Which Pharo version are you using? >>>> >>>> Try, >>>> >>>> ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. >>>> >>>> I'm working with Seaside, Magma, XML, WebClient, VMMaker, OB, Glamour, >>>> Mondrian, etc. plus my own projects and image size is 30Mb >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> 2010/11/16 Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com>: >>>> > Hi, >>>> > I have one of my development pharo image with 103 MB of size. Is there >>>> > an >>>> > normal image size on Pharo? I clean my system orphan instances and >>>> > WARegistry clearAllHandlers but it continue with that size. >>>> > There is on Pharo any tool like to Space Breakdown Chris Upal Dolphin >>>> > Package (http://metagnostic.dolphinmap.net/SpaceBreakdown.html)? >>>> > Thanks you, >>>> > Facundo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> HernÃ¡n Morales >>>> Information Technology Manager, >>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >>>> Internal: 422 >>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >>>> >>> >> > >

Nov. 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Image size

by Guillermo Polito

How difficult can it be to have a "memory browser" o something like it, to tell us the state of our image and do nicely the script loader cleaning stuff? I have no time now... but it would be nice. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi Hernan, >> I did ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease on my fat image and It's 31 MB >> again. There is black magic in cleanUpForRelease :-P. >> > > Yes check it's implementation. I think the biggest black magic is the MC > history. > BTW, maybe we should add Transcript log to show each statement the amount > of memory that is released? or something like that.... > > cheers > > mariano > > >> >> Thanks, >> Facu >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < >> hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Facundo, >>> >>> Which Pharo version are you using? >>> >>> Try, >>> >>> ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. >>> >>> I'm working with Seaside, Magma, XML, WebClient, VMMaker, OB, Glamour, >>> Mondrian, etc. plus my own projects and image size is 30Mb >>> Cheers, >>> >>> 2010/11/16 Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com>: >>> > Hi, >>> > I have one of my development pharo image with 103 MB of size. Is there >>> an >>> > normal image size on Pharo? I clean my system orphan instances and >>> > WARegistry clearAllHandlers but it continue with that size. >>> > There is on Pharo any tool like to Space Breakdown Chris Upal Dolphin >>> > Package (http://metagnostic.dolphinmap.net/SpaceBreakdown.html)? >>> > Thanks you, >>> > Facundo >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> HernÃ¡n Morales >>> Information Technology Manager, >>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >>> Internal: 422 >>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >>> >>> >> >

Nov. 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Should blocks passed into Metacello methods like #for:do: return spec?

by Dale Henrichs

Ah:) I put the 'yourself' in the specs when I build them to make it easy to add new lines ... with a 'yourself.' as the last line in a block or a set of messages, I can reorder or insert new lines at the end without having to always edit the line... The methods in Metacello configurations are more of a DSL than Smalltalk code (although it is executable smalltalk) and the blocks are used to group specs that apply to a particular version/package/project/group/etc. The return value of the blocks is not used... Dale On 11/16/2010 01:11 AM, jaayer wrote: > Concerning Metacello's block-accepting methods, should the blocks passed in always return spec? I ask because some sends in the image pass in blocks where the last message sent is yourself to "spec", making that the return value of the block, while other blocks just fall off at the end without explicitly returning spec. Is there a reason why one should be preferred over the other? > >

Nov. 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Phrase about Smalltalk and Ruby

by Gabriel Brunstein

maybe Kent was a little drunk at that moment :) On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Ramon...Jorge was right (we discussed in the bus and he says it was > him)...it was Kent Beck :) > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ramon Leon <ramon.leon(a)allresnet.com>wrote: > >> On 11/15/2010 08:35 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> Hi all. I remember a phrase someone said few months ago and it was >>> something like "I kew Smalltalk was going to reborn, but I didn't know >>> it was going to be called Ruby". >>> >>> Do you remember how exactly the phrase was? do you know the name of the >>> author? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Mariano >>> >> >> "I always knew that one day Smalltalk would replace Java. I just didn't >> know it would be called Ruby." -- Kent Beck >> >> -- >> Ramon Leon >> http://onsmalltalk.com >> >> >

Nov. 16, 2010