November 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Not happy with the issues feed from Google

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Remember that most email client support filters. You can easily create one. Cheers Mariano On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Dave Mason <dmason(a)mason-rose.ca> wrote: > > I'm not happy to see the feed subscribed to this mailing list. > > > +1 > > Why not create Pharo-project-issues and initially subscribe everyone on > this list but let people unsubscribe from that but continue to follow the > discussions here. > > > As a workflow, it also has problems, as reply mails are not added back to > the issue tracker. > > I'm more equivocal about this statement. > > ../Dave >

Nov. 18, 2010

[Pharo-project] Pharo beginner bugs ....

by Guido Stepken

Beginners Bugs in Pharo 1.1 on Linux: In System Browser i choose Tools-Base->Workspace->initization->initialize and see code os := (Smalltalk platformName) hmmm. I open Shout Workspace, type Smalltalk pl ... and i get 'platformFamily' suggested. No 'platformName' offered by Shout completion mode. And: I cannot choose from other offers in suggestion list by clicking with mouse. Why? Linux Problem? Next example: In Shout Workspace i enter: TTSampleFontMorph new openInWorld. <ALT-P> I get an error and a ghostframe, that i cannot delete. And: Completion mode when i enter TTSample ... does not work. Fuck! What are you guys thinking of your work on Pharo, e.g. quality testing? Did you never notice, that even the basics of completion mode in Shout Browser are buggy? Then i open in World Menu: Tools->Filebrowser i get Error:Invalid utf8 input detected We need a perfectly running Pharo on Linux/Wine (Ubuntu 9.10). And no, no MAC here anywhere in schools in germany. Can you imagine, that a teacher and his pupils drive mad on such simple bugs? So i have to teach with SCRATCH or BYOB in class. No serious bugs, no problems. regards, Guido Stepken

Nov. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Not happy with the issues feed from Google

by Dave Mason

> I'm not happy to see the feed subscribed to this mailing list. +1 Why not create Pharo-project-issues and initially subscribe everyone on this list but let people unsubscribe from that but continue to follow the discussions here. > As a workflow, it also has problems, as reply mails are not added back to the issue tracker. I'm more equivocal about this statement. ../Dave

Nov. 18, 2010

[Pharo-project] Not happy with the issues feed from Google

by Stephan Eggermont

Hello, I'm not happy to see the feed subscribed to this mailing list. I often have to use the web interface to this list, and the number of one-line comments and status changes makes for a very unpleasant reading experience. In addition it makes it more difficult to find the interesting discussions. As a workflow, it also has problems, as reply mails are not added back to the issue tracker. Stephan

Nov. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 2235 in pharo: Character Ä is represented as new line

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Comment #8 on issue 2235 by filyph: Character Ä is represented as new line http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2235 Yes, this is the same bug as Issue 1213 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1213. Czech and Slovak keyboards has only few diferences (btw languages are very similar too). So this two issues can be merged or this deleted.

Nov. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Image size

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Nov 16, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Oscar E A Callau wrote: > Hi, > > I did ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRealese on my pharo1.1.1 image and I get an index out of bounds error. Doing a debug, I found the source: a 0-length method category name on MCVersion class. Is this methods are from Pharo, and not yours, and if the issue is even reproducable, please open an issue. Cheers mariano > So, I move all methods in that category to another and it just works (except for my image size that go from 95MB to 87MB :-). > > Cheers > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 14:10 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Hernan, >> I did ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease on my fat image and It's 31 MB again. There is black magic in cleanUpForRelease :-P. >> >> Yes check it's implementation. I think the biggest black magic is the MC history. >> BTW, maybe we should add Transcript log to show each statement the amount of memory that is released? or something like that.... >> >> cheers >> >> mariano >> >> >> Thanks, >> Facu >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Facundo, >> >> Which Pharo version are you using? >> >> Try, >> >> ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. >> >> I'm working with Seaside, Magma, XML, WebClient, VMMaker, OB, Glamour, >> Mondrian, etc. plus my own projects and image size is 30Mb >> Cheers, >> >> 2010/11/16 Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com>: >> > Hi, >> > I have one of my development pharo image with 103 MB of size. Is there an >> > normal image size on Pharo? I clean my system orphan instances and >> > WARegistry clearAllHandlers but it continue with that size. >> > There is on Pharo any tool like to Space Breakdown Chris Upal Dolphin >> > Package (http://metagnostic.dolphinmap.net/SpaceBreakdown.html)? >> > Thanks you, >> > Facundo >> >> >> >> -- >> HernÃ¡n Morales >> Information Technology Manager, >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >> Internal: 422 >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >> >> >> >

Nov. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] problems installing pier in pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

It can be different things. Please upload the PharoDebug.log Cheers Mariano On Nov 17, 2010, at 4:45 AM, sergio_101 wrote: > i am trying to install pier into my development machine: > > Pharo-1.1-11411 > Latest update: #11411 > > using this: > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfPier2'; > load. > > but when i do this: > > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPier2) load. > > i get this: > > Error: key not found > > any ideas? thanks! > > > > -- > ---- > peace, > sergio > photographer, journalist, visionary > > http://www.CodingForHire.com > http://www.coffee-black.com > http://www.painlessfrugality.com > http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 > http://www.facebook.com/sergio101 >

Nov. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Image size

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> > As for cleanUpForRelease, most of its code should be moved to the new cleanUp: protocol of the classes they affect, most of which (afaict) should be done even when called non-agressively. > At which point you should be able to doit > Smalltalk cleanUp > and get almost the same results. > Exactly. I even remember creating an issue for this. I am offline now to search....but it is there, not so difficult...so if someone wants to do it, it would be VERY useful. Cheers Mariano > Cheers, > Henry > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 8:23 53PM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > >> Does it have a GUI? I want to browse it... SpaceTally is hidden for users who doesn't know it... >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> SpaceTally? >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Guillermo Polito >> <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > How difficult can it be to have a "memory browser" o something like it, to >> > tell us the state of our image and do nicely the script loader cleaning >> > stuff? >> > >> > I have no time now... but it would be nice. >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck >> > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi Hernan, >> >>> I did ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease on my fat image and It's 31 MB >> >>> again. There is black magic in cleanUpForRelease :-P. >> >> >> >> Yes check it's implementation. I think the biggest black magic is the MC >> >> history. >> >> BTW, maybe we should add Transcript log to show each statement the amount >> >> of memory that is released? or something like that.... >> >> >> >> cheers >> >> >> >> mariano >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Facu >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >> >>> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Facundo, >> >>>> >> >>>> Which Pharo version are you using? >> >>>> >> >>>> Try, >> >>>> >> >>>> ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm working with Seaside, Magma, XML, WebClient, VMMaker, OB, Glamour, >> >>>> Mondrian, etc. plus my own projects and image size is 30Mb >> >>>> Cheers, >> >>>> >> >>>> 2010/11/16 Facundo Vozzi <facundov79(a)gmail.com>: >> >>>> > Hi, >> >>>> > I have one of my development pharo image with 103 MB of size. Is there >> >>>> > an >> >>>> > normal image size on Pharo? I clean my system orphan instances and >> >>>> > WARegistry clearAllHandlers but it continue with that size. >> >>>> > There is on Pharo any tool like to Space Breakdown Chris Upal Dolphin >> >>>> > Package (http://metagnostic.dolphinmap.net/SpaceBreakdown.html)? >> >>>> > Thanks you, >> >>>> > Facundo >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> HernÃ¡n Morales >> >>>> Information Technology Manager, >> >>>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >> >>>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >> >>>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> >>>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >> >>>> Internal: 422 >> >>>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >

Nov. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] We will go beta this friday.

by Serge Stinckwich

i will take some time at the end of the week ti try again my fix with last version of Pharo. Regards, On Thursday, November 18, 2010, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Stef, > > It is recorded as 1057. Â I tried Serge's fix at one point and did not have success with it. Â Doing pretty much what he did plus some small changes gave me something that works. Â Unfortunately, I do not have simple demonstration of that success. > > Bill > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:20 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] We will go beta this friday. > > where are the fixes? > which bug entry? > > On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Stef, >> >> One thing I would like to try to get into the mainstream is a fix for named serial ports. Â I have gotten it to work, but the trick will be tests that do not depend on a lot of other stuff. Â I'll see what I can pull together. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:04 PM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Development >> Subject: [Pharo-project] We will go beta this friday. >> >> Hi guys >> >> the next important fix that in our radar (beside the one mentioned by marcus) in the clean of TextConstant to be turned into >> a SharedPool. It is important for our work on building a new kernel and bootstrap. >> >> After this friday we will not integrate new changes. Only integrating the compiler fixes that are pending. >> Then we will start to open 1.3 Unstable probably 15 or 20 of December to concentrate effort on the beta. >> >> Shout now or .... later :) >> >> Stef >> > > > > -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Nov. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] We will go beta this friday.

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, It is recorded as 1057. I tried Serge's fix at one point and did not have success with it. Doing pretty much what he did plus some small changes gave me something that works. Unfortunately, I do not have simple demonstration of that success. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:20 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] We will go beta this friday. where are the fixes? which bug entry? On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > One thing I would like to try to get into the mainstream is a fix for named serial ports. I have gotten it to work, but the trick will be tests that do not depend on a lot of other stuff. I'll see what I can pull together. > > Bill > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:04 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Development > Subject: [Pharo-project] We will go beta this friday. > > Hi guys > > the next important fix that in our radar (beside the one mentioned by marcus) in the clean of TextConstant to be turned into > a SharedPool. It is important for our work on building a new kernel and bootstrap. > > After this friday we will not integrate new changes. Only integrating the compiler fixes that are pending. > Then we will start to open 1.3 Unstable probably 15 or 20 of December to concentrate effort on the beta. > > Shout now or .... later :) > > Stef >

Nov. 18, 2010