November 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] <script language="smalltalk">

by Igor Stasenko

On 24 November 2010 00:46, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: >>How easy/hard to integrate smalltalk VM into browsers? It it feasible? > > You need to run as a plugin in the browser, so the VM has to be > in process (DLL on windows instead of exe for instance) > >>I know, there is (or was) a Squeak browser plugin. > > Yes there was/is a Squeak ActiveX control for InternetExplorer > and a Netscape plugin for NS compatible browsers. > Dont know about the maintenance state... > As you already said ... they are more like "applet providers" > in Java. AFAIK they are not interfacing with the scripting > engines of the browser. > >>While i thinking, that it would be cool to use smalltalk directly in >>pages, as javascript. > > That would mean to run on the client in the browser and mean to: > <skipping technical details> :) > > Question left is why you want all this. Instead of Smalltalk you > can use JavaScript for the browser/client part of your app. > JavaScript is very dynamic and meanwhile supported and fast enough in nearly any browser.... > Yes. This is a question which i would like to discuss and get an answer from community. One of the discrepancies, when developing Seaside applications is dealing with JS. What, if you could eliminate it, and use smalltalk on server and client sides both. Don't you think this could make many things much easier to do? What if you would be able to expose parts of your application directly to client side, by simply telling: html exportClass: MyClientSideClass instead of html script: 'a string containing script' > Bye > T. > > -- > GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 €/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit > gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] rename a method programatically

by Tudor Girba

Well, as long as you want to perform a refactoring I believe that RB provides the API in question. Doru On 24 Nov 2010, at 00:52, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 24 November 2010 01:43, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Definitely use the RB for any code transformations. >> > > I don't think it's a good option for meta-programming. > For meta-programming, basic interface in Behavior or ClassDescription > should be enough for manipulating > with methods, without dependency from RB. > Actually, RB then can use same API for manipulations. > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 23 Nov 2010, at 19:01, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> Cyrille I don't know why you need that but take into account that RB split their packages even more in the last months. So maybe it is easier for you to directly use RB and load with your code, the RB core or the specific package that you need. Mostly if you need some other similar functionalities. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:56 PM, jaayer <jaayer(a)zoho.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:17:05 -0800 Cyrille Delaunay wrote ---- >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I would like to know how I can rename a method programatically and safelly (without missing to raise any event that has to be raised) >>>> >>> >>> I don't believe there is any simple way to do this. >>> >>> Basically, to rename a method you have to remove it first and compile into its class a new method containing the same source code but with a different selector at the beginning. This is how the refactory browser does it when you select "rename" from the "refactor method" menu. If anyone knows of a better way, I would be interested to hear it. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] rename a method programatically

by Igor Stasenko

On 24 November 2010 01:43, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Definitely use the RB for any code transformations. > I don't think it's a good option for meta-programming. For meta-programming, basic interface in Behavior or ClassDescription should be enough for manipulating with methods, without dependency from RB. Actually, RB then can use same API for manipulations. > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 23 Nov 2010, at 19:01, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Cyrille I don't know why you need that but take into account that RB split their packages even more in the last months. So maybe it is easier for you to directly use RB and load with your code, the RB core or the specific package that you need. Mostly if you need some other similar functionalities. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:56 PM, jaayer <jaayer(a)zoho.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ---- On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:17:05 -0800 Cyrille Delaunay Â wrote ---- >> >> >Hello, >> > >> >I would like to know how I can rename a method programatically and safelly (without missing to raise any event that has to be raised) >> > >> >> I don't believe there is any simple way to do this. >> >> Basically, to rename a method you have to remove it first and compile into its class a new method containing the same source code but with a different selector at the beginning. This is how the refactory browser does it when you select "rename" from the "refactor method" menu. If anyone knows of a better way, I would be interested to hear it. >> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Nov. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] rename a method programatically

by Tudor Girba

Definitely use the RB for any code transformations. Cheers, Doru On 23 Nov 2010, at 19:01, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Cyrille I don't know why you need that but take into account that RB split their packages even more in the last months. So maybe it is easier for you to directly use RB and load with your code, the RB core or the specific package that you need. Mostly if you need some other similar functionalities. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:56 PM, jaayer <jaayer(a)zoho.com> wrote: > > > > > ---- On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:17:05 -0800 Cyrille Delaunay wrote ---- > > >Hello, > > > >I would like to know how I can rename a method programatically and safelly (without missing to raise any event that has to be raised) > > > > I don't believe there is any simple way to do this. > > Basically, to rename a method you have to remove it first and compile into its class a new method containing the same source code but with a different selector at the beginning. This is how the refactory browser does it when you select "rename" from the "refactor method" menu. If anyone knows of a better way, I would be interested to hear it. > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."

Nov. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Much better issues feed from Google

by Tudor Girba

Indeed, it looks quite nice. It would be great to have the issues inside the image. To make it great, we would just need the tiny feature of affecting the issues (replying, creating) :) Cheers, Doru On 23 Nov 2010, at 23:46, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Would be to have it in a browser in the image. > > An early experiment with the current Moose daily build > shows it can be done: > > http://www.squeaksource.com/GoogleIssuesFeed > > Stephan > -- www.tudorgirba.com "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?"

Nov. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] shout in pharo core 1.2

by Tudor Girba

Thanks, it seems to go better. Cheers, Doru On 23 Nov 2010, at 22:34, Francisco Ortiz PeÃ±aloza wrote: > I comited new working versions for Shout and a new ConfigurationOfShout to metacello repository. > > Try, > > ConfigurationOfShout project load: '1.2.2' > > Cheers, > Francisco > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > In the Moose configuration we are trying to make Shout work in PharoCore 1.2, but we still do not manage to do it properly. > > Does anybody knows what version works? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar." > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "When people care, great things can happen."

Nov. 23, 2010

[Pharo-project] <script language="smalltalk">

by Torsten Bergmann

>How easy/hard to integrate smalltalk VM into browsers? It it feasible? You need to run as a plugin in the browser, so the VM has to be in process (DLL on windows instead of exe for instance) >I know, there is (or was) a Squeak browser plugin. Yes there was/is a Squeak ActiveX control for InternetExplorer and a Netscape plugin for NS compatible browsers. Dont know about the maintenance state... As you already said ... they are more like "applet providers" in Java. AFAIK they are not interfacing with the scripting engines of the browser. >While i thinking, that it would be cool to use smalltalk directly in >pages, as javascript. That would mean to run on the client in the browser and mean to: - build a small downloadable VM as a plugin into the browser since the plugin itself is browser dependent and OS dependent you have to build one for each of the major browsers and OS's on the market, Dont know about the other browsers but for Internet Explorer you would have to implement the ActiveScripting Engine COM interfaces. This would mean you could then use it in any application that is an ActiveX scripting host (like IE, Word, Windows Scripting shell, ...) and you get the <script language="smalltalk"> for free in IE. For instance vbscript.dll and jscript.dll are done this way. I think ActivePerl, ActivePython, ... from Activestate.com are implemented similar. You also have to think about securing your VM since typically a script executed in a webbrowser should not access files/clipboard/etc. otherwise it would be easy to harm computers from a website. - build a small (kernel) image that provides basic functionality, comes with the VM above and and accepts the scripts to run them - for the bare bone scripting part you should check out "squeaksource.com/Sapphire" I'm sure it could be done but you would need time and good knowledge of C/C++, Squeak VM creation, Scripting, ... Question left is why you want all this. Instead of Smalltalk you can use JavaScript for the browser/client part of your app. JavaScript is very dynamic and meanwhile supported and fast enough in nearly any browser.... Bye T. -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 €/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

Nov. 23, 2010

[Pharo-project] Much better issues feed from Google

by Stephan Eggermont

Would be to have it in a browser in the image. An early experiment with the current Moose daily build shows it can be done: http://www.squeaksource.com/GoogleIssuesFeed Stephan

Nov. 23, 2010

[Pharo-project] <script language="smalltalk">

by Igor Stasenko

Hello, i just wanna know, what you thinking about subject? How easy/hard to integrate smalltalk VM into browsers? It it feasible? I know, there is (or was) a Squeak browser plugin. But it provides a functionality like java, but not like javascript. While i thinking, that it would be cool to use smalltalk directly in pages, as javascript. It could open quite interesting possibilities. What you think? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Nov. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] shout in pharo core 1.2

by Francisco Ortiz PeÃ±aloza

I comited new working versions for Shout and a new ConfigurationOfShout to metacello repository. Try, ConfigurationOfShout project load: '1.2.2' Cheers, Francisco On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > In the Moose configuration we are trying to make Shout work in PharoCore > 1.2, but we still do not manage to do it properly. > > Does anybody knows what version works? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar." > > > > >

Nov. 23, 2010