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Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Pharo-users] TestMock: a full featured mock testing framework now available in SqueakSource

by Dennis Schetinin

> By the way dennis did you start to write a chapter on Mocks? > > Stef > > Well, actually I'm another Dennis :) I think you talked about the Mocks chapter with Dennis Kudryashov, author of Mocketry. On the other hand, he was my student, we still stay in touch with him and decided to work together on the topic. We didn't make much progress so far unfortunately, but we have a plan for the chapter and about 50% of text in Russian. -- Dennis Schetinin

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Pharo-users] TestMock: a full featured mock testing framework now available in SqueakSource

by Miguel CobÃ¡

El miÃ©, 24-11-2010 a las 14:54 -0300, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras escribiÃ³: > Stephane, > I'm curious, > if there are not tests in the core, how do you know if it is > working? > In particular, how do you know if that loading mechanism is > working? Of course there will be test, but they will be loaded only if you want. for example in the Pharo image (or pharo dev) they will be included. The core won't have it loaded because it is intended to be the base for deployent with a very minimal image. Of course the tools are here to verify that the core is in good shape, so the hudson build server will take a core image, load the tests for core and run the test. The reports will show if it has problems or not. Cheers > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:29 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Nothing should be in the core (not even the tests) > in the core we should have a way to load package from a > distribution server. > > Now if this is in Pharo-dev this is another story :) > We can get tests and mock and mock framework. > > Stef > > > > > Thanks -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://twitter.com/MiguelCobaMtz http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Pharo-users] TestMock: a full featured mock testing framework now available in SqueakSource

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Nov 24, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras wrote: > Stephane, > I'm curious, > if there are not tests in the core, how do you know if it is working? you load them and run then. > In particular, how do you know if that loading mechanism is working? you load tests that check the loading and run them > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:29 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Nothing should be in the core (not even the tests) > in the core we should have a way to load package from a distribution server. > > Now if this is in Pharo-dev this is another story :) > We can get tests and mock and mock framework. > > Stef > > > > Thanks

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Pharo-users] TestMock: a full featured mock testing framework now available in SqueakSource

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

Stephane, I'm curious, if there are not tests in the core, how do you know if it is working? In particular, how do you know if that loading mechanism is working? On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:29 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Nothing should be in the core (not even the tests) > in the core we should have a way to load package from a distribution > server. > > Now if this is in Pharo-dev this is another story :) > We can get tests and mock and mock framework. > > Stef > > > Thanks

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] <script language="smalltalk">

by Louis LaBrunda

Hi Igor, >i just wanna know, what you thinking about subject? >How easy/hard to integrate smalltalk VM into browsers? It it feasible? >I know, there is (or was) a Squeak browser plugin. But it provides a >functionality like java, but not like javascript. >While i thinking, that it would be cool to use smalltalk directly in >pages, as javascript. >It could open quite interesting possibilities. >What you think? You should take a look at Etoys at: http://www.squeakland.org/. It has a plugin that can run Etoys projects in a web browser. I don't know much about it but I know it works. If you download and install Etoys, you will have the plugin, then you can run Etoys projects from your browser (Firefox, Chrome and Safari work but for some reason Opera is broken). There is a sample project right on the main squeakland page that you can try. Lou ----------------------------------------------------------- Louis LaBrunda Keystone Software Corp. SkypeMe callto://PhotonDemon mailto:Lou@Keystone-Software.com http://www.Keystone-Software.com

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3287 in pharo: Class builder depends on Scanner

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Updates: Status: Fixed Labels: Milestone-1.2 Comment #1 on issue 3287 by stephane.ducasse: Class builder depends on Scanner http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3287 sounds good.

Nov. 24, 2010

[Pharo-project] Issue 3287 in pharo: Class builder depends on Scanner

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Status: Accepted Owner: Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo New issue 3287 by Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo: Class builder depends on Scanner http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3287 ClassBuilder depends on Scanner because a new Scanner is used each time the code needs to parse a string and to create an array with each words ... I've change this by string subStrings: ' ' Attached : cs file Attachments: ClassScannerReferences.1.cs 8.6 KB

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3266 in pharo: Clean TextEditor

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Indeed. I mean I can't help, but feel free to go ahead Stef >>>> > "I do not think that we can build something on simpleMorphic, what we can do is look at the kernel and see how the changes can be applied to Morphic", > > it really means that it should better not be done. It means "I think it can't be done, don't waste your time". > > If, instead of that, you say "I can't help, but feel free to go ahead", the reaction of the community will be completely different. > > Cheers, > Juan Vuletich >

Nov. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Pharo-users] TestMock: a full featured mock testing framework now available in SqueakSource

by laurent laffont

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:46 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > prepare it and help building the pharo-dev script and it will be there. > No problem :) Laurent > > On Nov 24, 2010, at 3:36 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > PharoCore should be really small at the end. > > Why a testing framework should be in the core when you can load it and > load the tests? > > > > OK. > > > > So I vote for a Mock library in Pharo (Dev). > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > > I'm lost ... actually tests are in PharoCore. It is planned to remove > them ? > > > > > > Laurent > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:29 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > Nothing should be in the core (not even the tests) > > > in the core we should have a way to load package from a distribution > server. > > > > > > Now if this is in Pharo-dev this is another story :) > > > We can get tests and mock and mock framework. > > > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Dennis. TDD practices are far ahead in Ruby / Java / > Python world. > > > > > > > > BUT IMHO can be a real cool neaty great platform for TDD because we > have: dynamic development. > > > > > > > > What I think we miss: > > > > - put a Mock framework in PharoCore - Mocks should be a standard > tool even for low-level stuff > > > > - introduce pragmas to declare tests / setUp / tearDown methods so I > can write > > > > > > > > AddressBookWithLaurentAndDennis>>createAddressBook > > > > <setUpTest> > > > > bla bla > > > > > > > > AddressBookWithLaurentAndDennis>>shouldHaveNumberOfContactsAnswersTwo > > > > <test> > > > > blabla > > > > > > > > > AddressBookWithLaurentAndDennis>>ifDennisRemovedNumberOfContactsShouldAnswersOne > > > > <test> > > > > bla bla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - (harder) interface to / creation of an executable requirements / > BDD framework like Cucumber http://cukes.info/ > > > > > > > > Laurent > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > As for me, I'm simply unable to establish smooth test-driven process > without Mocks. I think it does not depend on language at all. > > > > > > > > Without mocks I have to divide the task I have into smaller > independent parts. It's actually an up-front design. I can make a mistake (I > usually do); even worse it's often just impossible to accomplish because too > many subcomponents usually interact thoroughly and I simply don't know which > one to implement first :). So, without mocks I have to code bottom-up, from > details to general. This is unnatural and error-prone. > > > > > > > > With mocks I can start directly from the task I have. I get a use > case and write a test for the one. Creating the test I detect subcomponents > needed, understand how they should interact and document that in the same > test. As those subcomponents do not exist yet, I have to specify them and > their behavior right in the test (if I don't want to break the process I've > just started). That's why I really need mocks. Then I can take another use > case or implement one of the mocks I used as a real object and so on. Thus, > mocks allow me to go top-down and implement only the things I really need, > not the things I think I'll need. > > > > > > > > Are there other, maybe better, approaches? > > > > > > > > Concerning TDD popularityâ¦ I'm not sure TDD plays the role it should > in Smalltalk community. > > > > > > > > Messing with Smalltalk for about 7â8 years, I can't say I often see > real TDD code. About 50â70% (depending on Smalltalk dialect) of frameworks I > use have no tests at all. The rest often looks being tested a posteriori. > Perhaps, Pharo is the only exclusionâ¦ > > > > > > > > And if TDD is really popular and widely used, why do we have so much > regression bugs even in core subsystems even in commercial Smalltalks? > > > > > > > > Please, correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > > > 2010/11/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Luc Fabresse < > luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Dennis, > > > > > > > > Yes, TDD is highly popular and encouraged in the Smalltalk > community. > > > > And mocks are not necessary in most cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Luc, > > > > > > > > why Mocks are less necessary in Smalltalk than in other > (Ruby/Python/whatever...) languages ? Do you have some examples / link ? > > > > > > > > Sometimes I think a mocking library should be in PharoCore so I don't > need to write my own mocks..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Laurent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #Luc > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/11/23 Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > > How is it compared to Mocketry ( > http://www.squeaksource.com/Mocketry.html)? SMock? > > > > > > > > BTW, isn't TDD without mocks a bit incomplete? And is TDD popular > among smalltalkers actually? > > > > > > > > 2010/11/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > > This is cool Anindya. I don't need mocks right now, but I will keep > it in mind! > > > > > > > > I cc'ed Pharo-dev mailing list. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > From: Anindya Haldar <anindya_haldar(a)yahoo.com> > > > > Date: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:11 AM > > > > Subject: [Pharo-users] TestMock: a full featured mock testing > framework now available in SqueakSource > > > > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pharoers, > > > > > > > > TestMcok is a full featured mock based test framework that I am very > glad to contribute to the community. It is in squeaksource under the project > name TestMock. Please feel free to try it, and feedback will be greatly > appreciated. The wiki section includes a brief how-to guide with code > examples. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anindya Haldar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dennis Schetinin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dennis Schetinin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Nov. 24, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12253

by Marcus Denker

12253 ----- Issue 3280: Focus indicator for pluggable text morphs not correctly drawn -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Nov. 24, 2010