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Re: [Pharo-project] Morphic 3 (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >>> you can add ESUG as sponsors >>> >>> Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? >> >> We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally does not hurt to say it. >> Even if at the end morphic is not ready for public consumption. Our original idea was not to >> sponsor SimpleMorphic. I have no problem with the solution we found because he helps everybody to be happy. > > Did Juan stop developing Morphic 3? I doubt he did. As I told you juan decided that Morphic 30 would not be ready and he preferred to find another solution for the sponsor we got with him. Any board member can confirm that and juan too. We found that the solution to get a simplemorphic was a good deal so that Juan does not feel embarassed about esug and the inverse. Now you that believe what you want but I do not believe that this is really constructive. Stef > > > Levente > >> >> Stef > > snip

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Sponsor's requests (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Left blank on purpose .... On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have been the case? >> Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the same question technic than you. :) > > Let's say you're wringting two books at the same time: Book1 and Book2. FGSW (Fictional Group Sponsoring Writers) is sponsoring Book2. Book2 is based on the foundations of Book1. Would you mention FGSW in the sponsors list of Book1 if they ask you to do, even though you know that they didn't support that work? > > > Levente > >> >> >> Stef >> >> On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> you can add ESUG as sponsors >>> >>> Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? >>> >>> >>> Levente >>> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>> >>>>> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Juan Vuletich >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About simple morphic

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

I'm not sure if my opinion can have some value because I'm more on the web arena than in en desktop, but I've on my plans make somethings (when time permit) using Morphic (Most rewriting things I did in the past with Squeak). I think that if SimpleMorphic is loadable/unloadable and don't generates bad effects in the Pharo environment, the proposal sound correct and is a good way to have a Morphic simplification (A thing I think we need). Just my opinion. GermÃ¡n. 2010/11/6 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Hi guys > > the mail may be a bit long sorry. ESUG was supporting Morphic 3 (a new proposal) of Juan. Now it occurred that Juan realized that he will not be able to deliver what he wanted. So After discussion one idea was to get simpleMorphic (not lighMorphic) a simpler version of Morphic done by juan for Squeak and Pharo. We believe that this is good because Juan could deliver something and we could support him. > > Juan sent us the code and I published it at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3210 > > Here is the original text: > >> I'm really happy to tell you: SimpleMorphic for Pharo is working! The attached zip file contains a few numbered change sets, to be installed in Pharo in order. >> >> The contents of the change sets are as follows: >> - SMx01-PharoEnhAndPreliminaries-jmv.3.cs and SMx02-PharoEnhAndPreliminariesCoda.1.cs contain some refactoring needed to make it possible to add another GUI to Pharo. Nothing here is specific to SimpleMorphic, and I recommend integrating them into Pharo. >> - SMx03-ExtensionMethodsPart1.3.cs contains a few useful methods, not specific to SimpleMorphic, but optional anyway. You might integrate this into Pharo or consider it part of SimpleMorphic. >> - SMx04-SimpleMorphic.11.cs This change set is the big one. It includes all the new SimpleMorphic classes. It doesn't include any method for existing classes (to make review easier). >> - SMx05-ExtensionMethodsPart2.7.cs This change set includes the SimpleMorphic specific methods I added to existing classes. >> >> After loading them, you can evaluate 'SimpleMorphicUIManager start' to enter SimpleMorphic and 'SimpleMorphicUIManager stop' to return to regular Morphic. >> >> As SimpleMorphic is much simpler and easier to understand that regular Morphic, my biggest hope is that the Pharo community will adopt it, study it in detail, and be able to adapt it to Pharo's needs all way down. No need to walk away from overwhelming complexity anymore. >> >> I look forward for your comments! > > > Now after discussion with Juan: we plan to integrate SM01, 02, and 03 to be able to load SM04. > SM04 is not in a shape were we can simply migrate on it > Â Â Â Â - Polymorph first polymorph is tight with the old Morphic > Â Â Â Â - Preference are still used > Â Â Â Â - FillInTheBlank, PopUp.... are used. > > Now Â I suggest that we integrate 01.02.03 and package the rest to be loaded in 1.2 > This way we can either update SimpleMorphic to get more pharoed or we could use it to study and fix morphic. > But all that will require some work. > > Tell us what you think. >

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Excellent! 2010/11/6 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > This screenshot is more representative ;-) > > -- Pavel > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Pavel Krivanek > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the >> PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See the attached >> screenshot. I will publish the scripts later today. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> > -- ================================================= GermÃ¡n S. ArduinoÂ <gsa @ arsol.net>Â Â Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web HostingÂ Â http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsProÂ http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================

Nov. 6, 2010

[Pharo-project] Morphic 3 (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

by Levente Uzonyi

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> you can add ESUG as sponsors >> >> Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? > > We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally does not hurt to say it. > Even if at the end morphic is not ready for public consumption. Our original idea was not to > sponsor SimpleMorphic. I have no problem with the solution we found because he helps everybody to be happy. Did Juan stop developing Morphic 3? I doubt he did. Levente > > Stef snip

Nov. 6, 2010

[Pharo-project] [OT] Sponsor's requests (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)

by Levente Uzonyi

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have been the case? > Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the same question technic than you. :) Let's say you're wringting two books at the same time: Book1 and Book2. FGSW (Fictional Group Sponsoring Writers) is sponsoring Book2. Book2 is based on the foundations of Book1. Would you mention FGSW in the sponsors list of Book1 if they ask you to do, even though you know that they didn't support that work? Levente > > > Stef > > On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > >> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> you can add ESUG as sponsors >> >> Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? >> >> >> Levente >> >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Juan Vuletich >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > >

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have been the case? Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the same question technic than you. :) Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> you can add ESUG as sponsors > > Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? > > > Levente > >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Juan Vuletich >>> >> >> >>

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> you can add ESUG as sponsors > > Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally does not hurt to say it. Even if at the end morphic is not ready for public consumption. Our original idea was not to sponsor SimpleMorphic. I have no problem with the solution we found because he helps everybody to be happy. Stef > Levente > >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Juan Vuletich >>> >> >> >>

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release

by Levente Uzonyi

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > you can add ESUG as sponsors Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? Levente > > Stef > > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >> >> Cheers, >> Juan Vuletich >> > > >

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!

by Esteban Lorenzano

This is really cool! On 2010-11-06 08:12:23 -0300, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> said: > > Hi all, > > I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the > PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See the attached > screenshot. I will publish the scripts later today. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > > <image>

Nov. 6, 2010