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Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by Marcus Denker

On Oct 28, 2010, at 11:12 AM, Niko Schwarz wrote: > Markus, try to change the first line of the footer, which currently is > " _______________________________________________" > > to > > "-- \n" > I just removed it. I normally do that with all lists I am admin of. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by Niko Schwarz

Markus, try to change the first line of the footer, which currently is " _______________________________________________" to "-- \n" Yes, including the space before the linebreak. Many email clients to this date will not quote what comes after this so-called "sig separator". AAMOF, I advise everybody to prefix his signature with it. Niko On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Martin McClure wrote: >> >> Quoting the part of the email to which we are replying allows us to make the reply shorter, and the email is much easier to understand, saving readers time. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > To help a little, I configured the list to not have the footer anymore. > > Â Â Â Â Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > -- http://scg.unibe.ch/staff/Schwarz twitter.com/nes1983 Tel: +41 078 612 6354

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by Niko Schwarz

I remember that alright. On some Usenet groups you'd get stoned to death if you were to fullquote at the bottom. Postings like that we'd call TOFU in Germanglish: ("Text oben, Fullquote unten"), and it was a major offense to submit TOFU. And the holy scripture was RFC 1855 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855) "Content of a follow-up post should exceed quoted content." Today, just about everybody you commonly meet writes TOFU, unless they've had a usenet history. And keep in mind that quoting according to RFC 1855 is more than just changing order: you carefully select the lines you wish to quote (never more than 4 lines at ones, never quote greetings), you begin your email with a greeting above the quote section, and so forth. I think RFC1855-style messages still look beautiful, and they have their place. But if you're too lazy to follow the gist of it, that's alright with me, but then put your content at the top, so I don't have to scroll down to Walhalla. Niko On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Ramon Leon <ramon.leon(a)allresnet.com> wrote: > On 10/27/2010 7:16 AM, Douglas Brebner wrote: >> >> Or even better, cut out the irrelevant quoted text :) > > Yes please, as top posting is *not* good etiquette, but that's an old flame > war. > > -- > Ramon Leon > http://onsmalltalk.com > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- http://scg.unibe.ch/staff/Schwarz twitter.com/nes1983 Tel: +41 078 612 6354

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by Marcus Denker

On Oct 27, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Martin McClure wrote: > > Quoting the part of the email to which we are replying allows us to make the reply shorter, and the email is much easier to understand, saving readers time. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project To help a little, I configured the list to not have the footer anymore. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Noobie Browser question

by Norbert Hartl

On 27.10.2010, at 23:39, Tony Fleig wrote: > StÃ©phane, > > Thanks for the response. > > I am sad to see features eliminated for this reason. If I were a more experienced Smalltalk programmer I would volunteer to maintain it myself. > You could put it the other way round as well. If you would maintain it you would become an experienced smalltalk programmer soon :) Norbert > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:56 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Tony Fleig wrote: > > > The Browser in Pharo Core and Pharo One-Click doesn't appear to have the features described in the Pharo By Example book in chapter 6. In particular, there is no History bar at the top. Clicking on the gray lozenge at the upper right of the browser window gives me the option of selecting the Browser or OBSystemBrowserAdaptor, neither of which seems to have the features shown in the book. > > > > Is there somewhere I can get the OmniBrowser described in the book, or has it been replaced with what appears to be a less-functional version? > > for the moment it has been donwgraded because of lack of maintainers. > > > > > > Thanks, > > TF > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Noobie Browser question

by Tony Fleig

StÃ©phane, Thanks for the response. I am sad to see features eliminated for this reason. If I were a more experienced Smalltalk programmer I would volunteer to maintain it myself. TF On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:56 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Tony Fleig wrote: > > > The Browser in Pharo Core and Pharo One-Click doesn't appear to have the > features described in the Pharo By Example book in chapter 6. In particular, > there is no History bar at the top. Clicking on the gray lozenge at the > upper right of the browser window gives me the option of selecting the > Browser or OBSystemBrowserAdaptor, neither of which seems to have the > features shown in the book. > > > > Is there somewhere I can get the OmniBrowser described in the book, or > has it been replaced with what appears to be a less-functional version? > > for the moment it has been donwgraded because of lack of maintainers. > > > > > > Thanks, > > TF > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 27, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo sprint at Smalltalk 2010?

by Carla F. Griggio

:D On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:30 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > > Yes, I am in :-) > > Lukas I > I'm quite sure that lot of people would like to pair program with you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 27, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> I suspect that Oscar's complaint stems from emails that quote an entire message (or even the entire thread), then bury their responses within. Yes > This is a legitimate complaint, as it does make their emails very hard to read. Top-posting may be better than this. However, it's much better to quote only the specific excerpt that you're replying to, and put that above your reply. I'm sure that we can all interpret well what oscar mentioned. It means extract the information, set the context and reply and not lengthly mail, no hijacking of thread. Stef

Oct. 27, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Noobie Browser question

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 27, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Tony Fleig wrote: > The Browser in Pharo Core and Pharo One-Click doesn't appear to have the features described in the Pharo By Example book in chapter 6. In particular, there is no History bar at the top. Clicking on the gray lozenge at the upper right of the browser window gives me the option of selecting the Browser or OBSystemBrowserAdaptor, neither of which seems to have the features shown in the book. > > Is there somewhere I can get the OmniBrowser described in the book, or has it been replaced with what appears to be a less-functional version? for the moment it has been donwgraded because of lack of maintainers. > > Thanks, > TF > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 27, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by Martin McClure

On 10/27/2010 12:11 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > Unless there is a very good reason to provide the context, please add your new text *before* any quoted material. I would exactly reverse this -- new text should come below the specific point being commented on. I'm not sure I've ever seen a "very good reason" to do otherwise. Quoting the part of the email to which we are replying allows us to make the reply shorter, and the email is much easier to understand, saving readers time. I suspect that Oscar's complaint stems from emails that quote an entire message (or even the entire thread), then bury their responses within. This is a legitimate complaint, as it does make their emails very hard to read. Top-posting may be better than this. However, it's much better to quote only the specific excerpt that you're replying to, and put that above your reply. Regards, -Martin

Oct. 27, 2010