October 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Lumiere usage in Pharo

by Fernando Olivero

Hi Patricio, i wanted to know the progress or problems ? you had using Lumiere in Pharo. Did you manage to install and use in the latest Pharo? The ConfigurationOfLumiere in the Lumiere repo is working ? Fernando

Oct. 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] GraphViz in pharo

by Fernando Olivero

Did you consider using Alien to reify the Graphviz lib into the image? It would also be a another option. Fernando On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Guillermo Polito < guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! I downloaded Graphviz yesterday in my ubuntu machine using pharo 1.1.1 > with cog, and graphviz worked very well :). > > Today I'm using a pharo 1.1 image and 4.0.2 VM on windows machine and I > can't make it work :(. > > Graphviz needs OSProcess and CommandShell. I downloaded them, but there > are some problems: > > - For windows it uses Win32Shell, which isn't in my Pharo Image of course > :P. So I replaced it by CommandShell but it is still failing. > - I'm trying to use CommandShell on its own, but I have the folowing > result: > > *$ ls > cannot access system to run 'ls'* > > GraphViz was adapted to pharo this year on June by "SR". Â¿Does someone > know who's him or her? Â¿Can someone send me a tip? > > Thanks! > Guille

Oct. 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Agreed. Can you tell me how to get GroupWise and Outlook to do what you want? I've read that they can do it; I've never been able to find the features that would be required. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Sean P. DeNigris [sean(a)clipperadams.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:37 PM To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email I've been rolling my eyes for a while about posters not snipping the quoted text down to just the relevant part. I get this list in a digest and often read it on my iPhone. It takes ridiculously long to do all that scrolling. My vote and request is for a short bit of quoted text, followed by the new info - it is the most brief and logical. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/posting-etiquette-please-post-new-text-at-the-top-of-… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sharing a image between several computers

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

This debate/conversation arises every so often, and it is always informative. There are two camps: those who (almost?) never save an image, and those who move images around. FWIW, I fall into the latter category. One good thing about _not_ saving images is that it will force full understanding of what you put into an image and how to load it. Given the time required to load things like Seaside, you will probably want to have at least a base image that you use and then perhaps file in (or use MC to load) your code on top of that. Since I like to use an image for a while, I became a big fan of Zip disks; USB drives are now so big and cheap that they are now the transport of choice. To whatever extent you choose to save and move images, a few tips. Try to be aware of how to build the image from source (which you should save periodically) in case you get into trouble. I use a home-grown tool called Migrate to help me; it's in the in-box if you have any interest. Periodic backups (image/changes and sources if you ever change the latter) are a good idea. The usual rules apply: you only have to back up what you can't afford to lose =:0 I save myself a lot of trouble by getting an image ready to test something "dangerous" - new FFI code, in Dolphin at least, opening a newly modified presenter could be the last thing one does in an image, etc. You will gradually build your own list of "I fried an image this way once..." and learn when to take an extra backup. Get the image ready to take the dangerous step, meaning browsers open, text ready to select or already selected, etc., and then save the image. Maybe make a backup and verify that it loads. Then take the plunge, if it goes wrong, learn what you can, and then exit w/o saving. It adds a few iterations to a fix compared to fixing and saving, but you will have fewer corrupt images over time. If all you ever save is code, the worries of corruption are reduced, but you need to keep track of the code and how to load it. Either way, Happy Smalltalking! Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Tony Fleig [tony.fleig(a)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:47 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Sharing a image between several computers I haven't been doing this long, but I use Monticello to move my packages between a Mac and 2 Linux systems. Its much faster than copying an image around. TF On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Oscar E A Callau <oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl<mailto:oalvarez@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: Hi all, I've been programming in Smalltalk/Pharo for a time, and it is really nice (I love it). Usually, I work with several images at my work and home. I share those images using dropbox. However it is not practical, if your images size are 100+ MB (because dropbox is synchronizing each time that you save). So I was wondering If you use a more practical software to share your images between several computers. Greetings Oscar

Oct. 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] posting etiquette - please post new text at the *top* of your email

by Sean P. DeNigris

I've been rolling my eyes for a while about posters not snipping the quoted text down to just the relevant part. I get this list in a digest and often read it on my iPhone. It takes ridiculously long to do all that scrolling. My vote and request is for a short bit of quoted text, followed by the new info - it is the most brief and logical. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/posting-etiquette-please-post-new-text-at-the-top-of-… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sharing a image between several computers

by Tony Fleig

I haven't been doing this long, but I use Monticello to move my packages between a Mac and 2 Linux systems. Its much faster than copying an image around. TF On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Oscar E A Callau <oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl>wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been programming in Smalltalk/Pharo for a time, and it is really > nice (I love it). Usually, I work with several images at my work and home. I > share those images using dropbox. However it is not practical, if your > images size are 100+ MB (because dropbox is synchronizing each time that you > save). > > So I was wondering If you use a more practical software to share your > images between several computers. > > Greetings > Oscar > > > >

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sharing a image between several computers

by Miguel CobÃ¡

El jue, 28-10-2010 a las 14:40 -0700, Steven Baker escribiÃ³: > I don't copy images, I put everything in Monticello and share the > code. But I'd still like to hear what everyone else's workflow is. USB pendrive? > > -Steven > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Oscar E A Callau > <oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been programming in Smalltalk/Pharo for a time, and it is really nice (I love it). Usually, I work with several images at my work and home. I share those images using dropbox. However it is not practical, if your images size are 100+ MB (because dropbox is synchronizing each time that you save). > > > > So I was wondering If you use a more practical software to share your images between several computers. > > > > Greetings > > Oscar > > > > > > > > > -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoKernel #12217

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, a good new, Gofer works fine for me :-) ...and test results for kernel, network, Monticello and Gofer are quite good. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:52 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I uploaded a new version of PharoKernel. It has several new properties: >> - better scripts processing >> - separate dictionaries for images, scripts, reports and downloaded packages >> - It is able to load Network, Monticello and Gopher (image included), >> however it needs some next fixes to work properly >> - ImageMap and ImageGraph included in the archive >> >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27699/PharoKernel-1.2-12217.zip >> >> The most important thing that should be done in Pharo is to split >> Tests package to be able to load Monticello tests separately. > > Yes > and that they follow the pattern > >> If Monticello and Gofer will work well then it should be quite simple >> to prepare PharoCore Configuration to load the rest of PharoCore. > > Yes this is the vision but now our problem is to port our integration process to it. > We will certainly changes it anyway because it slows us down (does not scale) but it requires to have a good alternative. Well, Configurations were always suspicious to me - they do not even share a common superclass :-) -- Pavel > > Stef >

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sharing a image between several computers

by Alexandre Bergel

> I've been programming in Smalltalk/Pharo for a time, and it is really nice (I love it). Cool!!!! Spread the word among the students at the DCC :-) Alexandre > Usually, I work with several images at my work and home. I share those images using dropbox. However it is not practical, if your images size are 100+ MB (because dropbox is synchronizing each time that you save). > > So I was wondering If you use a more practical software to share your images between several computers. > > Greetings > Oscar > > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sharing a image between several computers

by Steven Baker

I don't copy images, I put everything in Monticello and share the code. But I'd still like to hear what everyone else's workflow is. -Steven On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Oscar E A Callau <oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > Hi all, > > Â Â Â I've been programming in Smalltalk/Pharo for a time, and it is really nice (I love it). Usually, I work with several images at my work and home. I share those images using dropbox. However it is not practical, if your images size are 100+ MB (because dropbox is synchronizing each time that you save). > > So I was wondering If you use a more practical software to share your images between several computers. > > Greetings > Â Â Â Â Oscar > > > >

Oct. 28, 2010