October 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Pharo problem with Windows 7

by Torsten Bergmann

What is the value of "f" (the filename) when you hit Alt+. ? Where did you install? Maybe it is a problem with the security to not being able to write under c:\Program Files\...? Not able to test it here this week but did you try to install Pharo under for instance c:\foo\ as an alternative and try to run it from there? If that doesnt help did you try to run Pharo as Administrator (right click on exe should allow you to do that), maybe you can also try to set the compatibility mode (right click on exe, select "Properties", then select compatibility to WinXP for instance). Try that and report if any of this helps. Bye T. -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 €/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What is a primitive method?

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Oscar, see Object class>>whatIsAPrimitive. Further, most of the primitive methods you're seeing are methods that answer self, nil, true false or an inst var. See the difference between these: SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: [:m| m isQuick] SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: [:m| m primitive > 0 and: [m isQuick not]] SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: [:m| m primitive > 0 and: [m isQuick not and: [(#(117 120) includes: m primitive) not]]] HTH Eliot On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Oscar E A Callau <oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl>wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a (basic) question: > > What is a primitive method? > > In pharo 1.1.1, we have CompiledMethod>>primitive that basically return: > > 0 if the method is not a primitive method > >0 otherwise > > But if you execute this on i.e. Number>>isNumber or Morph>>#model compiled > methods you get that these two are primitive methods. Are they primitive > methods? > > Other (related) question is: When I executed the expression: > > SystemNavigation default allPrimitiveMethods > > , I get a OrderedCollection with 5581 elements. Are all those methods, > primitive methods? > > > Thanks in advance > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Morphic application to production questions

by Esteban Lorenzano

I need to disable the world menu too On 2010-10-21 19:20:48 -0300, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> said: > Hi, > Finally I managed to get one application made with morphic. I developed > the app inside a StandardWindow, and that's ok, but now I want to move > it to production, so I need to do some tasks, some of them easy to > solve, and some of them not (at least for me). > This is what I think is needed: > > 1) remove all morphs (this is easy, already done) > 2) add morphs in world instead StandardWindow (easy too, and already done). > 3) disable control+click, cmd+., etc. (I don't know how to do this) > 4) disable morph drags (my morphs, placed inside the world, can be > moved, I don't want that) > 5) change the behavior of "quit" when pressing close window (red button) > 6) disable debugger on errors > > ...and I don't know if there are other things. > > Can you help me with points 3-6? > Do you know other tasks needed? > > Thanks, > Esteban

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Morphic application to production questions

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, Finally I managed to get one application made with morphic. I developed the app inside a StandardWindow, and that's ok, but now I want to move it to production, so I need to do some tasks, some of them easy to solve, and some of them not (at least for me). This is what I think is needed: 1) remove all morphs (this is easy, already done) 2) add morphs in world instead StandardWindow (easy too, and already done). 3) disable control+click, cmd+., etc. (I don't know how to do this) 4) disable morph drags (my morphs, placed inside the world, can be moved, I don't want that) 5) change the behavior of "quit" when pressing close window (red button) 6) disable debugger on errors ...and I don't know if there are other things. Can you help me with points 3-6? Do you know other tasks needed? Thanks, Esteban

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Pharocasts: Install Pharo on OSX

by laurent laffont

Hi, The first screencast with my new toolbox and the first one with my voice (don't hesitate to bash me :) and in HD format. So finally the "Install Pharo on OSX" screencast is here: http://www.pharocasts.com/2010/10/install-pharo-on-osx.html Cheers, Laurent Laffont Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] some patterns I would like to **kill**

by stephane ducasse

Hi I was reading Pluggable and friends I identified some patterns. The respondsTo plague Examples: color := self fillStyle asColor. (self labelMorph respondsTo: #enabled:) ifTrue: [self labelMorph enabled: self enabled]. (self labelMorph respondsTo: #interactionState:) ifTrue: [self labelMorph interactionState: self interactionState] (self labelMorph respondsTo: #enabled:) ifTrue: [ self labelMorph enabled: aBoolean]. (self enabled not and: [self label isMorph and: [(self label respondsTo: #enabled:) not]]) by construction a labelObject should be a morph and it should answer enabled: and the case where this is not the case should be fixed. Using submorphs to avoid one single inst var makes code quite ugly to read: labelMorph "Answer the actual label morph." self hasSubmorphs ifFalse: [^nil]. self firstSubmorph hasSubmorphs ifFalse: [^nil]. ^self firstSubmorph firstSubmorph

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo problem with Windows 7

by Alexandre Bergel

This is really strange. We've tried for a while to save a rep on a local repository, on squeaksource, no success... Anyone experienced this already? Cheers, Alexandre On 21 Oct 2010, at 17:30, Christian Eduardo Palomares Peralta wrote: > Hi everyone > > I'm new on Pharo, i downloaded pharo for Windows (http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download) everything works fine until i try to save a package in the Monticello Browser, the "Snapshotting Methods" takes age. Several minutes pass and nothing is saved. Selecting a local repository does not help neither in case squeaksource would be down. > > I use the VM 4.0.2. I tried the Pharo1.1 one click image, the Windows Installer, and the Seaside One click image. Same result. > > When I press Alt-. the debugger always open on the retryWithGC: in the method: > MultiByteFileStream>>open: fileName forWrite: writeMode > "Open the file with the given name. If writeMode is true, allow writing, otherwise open the file in read-only mode." > "Changed to do a GC and retry before failing ar 3/21/98 17:25" > | f | > f := fileName asVmPathName. > > fileID := StandardFileStream retryWithGC:[self primOpen: f writable: writeMode] > until:[:id| id notNil] > forFileNamed: fileName. > > I disabled my antivirus, but the problem persist > > Does anyone can help me with this problem? > > Thxs > > -- > Christian Eduardo Palomares Peralta (ShinjiDev) - http://learningwebdev.blogspot.com > Administrador del Grupo Python-PerÃº > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Pharo problem with Windows 7

by Christian Eduardo Palomares Peralta

Hi everyone I'm new on Pharo, i downloaded pharo for Windows ( http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download) everything works fine until i try to save a package in the Monticello Browser, the "Snapshotting Methods" takes age. Several minutes pass and nothing is saved. Selecting a local repository does not help neither in case squeaksource would be down. I use the VM 4.0.2. I tried the Pharo1.1 one click image, the Windows Installer, and the Seaside One click image. Same result. When I press Alt-. the debugger always open on the retryWithGC: in the method: MultiByteFileStream>>open: fileName forWrite: writeMode "Open the file with the given name. If writeMode is true, allow writing, otherwise open the file in read-only mode." "Changed to do a GC and retry before failing ar 3/21/98 17:25" | f | f := fileName asVmPathName. fileID := StandardFileStream retryWithGC:[self primOpen: f writable: writeMode] until:[:id| id notNil] forFileNamed: fileName. I disabled my antivirus, but the problem persist Does anyone can help me with this problem? Thxs -- Christian Eduardo Palomares Peralta (ShinjiDev) - http://learningwebdev.blogspot.com Administrador del Grupo Python-PerÃº

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] About Object and Model

by stephane ducasse

Hi guys I'm reading Object and I have the impression that some methods are in Object while there should be on Model. when: anEventSelector send: aMessageSelector to: anObject exclusive: aValueHolder okToClose.... taskbarIcon taskbarLabel May be some of these methods should grouped in traits, then applied to Model. Then if the user wants something else than Model to play the game he can simply apply a trait. I think that this hierarchical decomposition is often forcing us to stack methods in the wrong place I think that the composition is way stronger and much more flexible than hierarchical ordering. tell me what you think. I would like to have a nice Object class. Stef

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] about Object>>step

by stephane ducasse

Hi guys Object>>stepIn: aWindow ^ self step but step is not defined in Object. I have the i

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Object>>at:modify:???

by stephane ducasse

I would like to deprecate the following method since nobody use it. What do you think? Stef

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] About Project

by stephane ducasse

Hi guys It would be good to take some decisions about Project. It seems that we need a place to host some information about the current graphical space but we should clean it. I was checking CUIS and Cuis only have 6 class side methods. S.

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Looking for SmartRefStream tests

by stephane ducasse

I thought that there were some tests that covers SmartRefStream. Does anybody have some? because it would be good to have some? Stef

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] ObjectScanner

by stephane ducasse

ObjectScanner does not have any user and I was wondering what was its exact purpose? Apparently it is related to uniclasses and there are still some left over. It is not available in CUIS. Stef

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] What is a primitive method?

by Oscar E A Callau

On 21-10-2010, at 13:18, Oscar E A Callau wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a (basic) question: > > What is a primitive method? > > In pharo 1.1.1, we have CompiledMethod>>primitive that basically return: > > 0 if the method is not a primitive method >> 0 otherwise "This must be, as follow" 0 if the method is not a primitive method (greater than 0) otherwise "(mail.app changes greater than symbol)" > > But if you execute this on i.e. Number>>isNumber or Morph>>#model compiled methods you get that these two are primitive methods. Are they primitive methods? > > Other (related) question is: When I executed the expression: > > SystemNavigation default allPrimitiveMethods > > , I get a OrderedCollection with 5581 elements. Are all those methods, primitive methods? > > > Thanks in advance > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] What is a primitive method?

by Oscar E A Callau

Hi all, I have a (basic) question: What is a primitive method? In pharo 1.1.1, we have CompiledMethod>>primitive that basically return: 0 if the method is not a primitive method >0 otherwise But if you execute this on i.e. Number>>isNumber or Morph>>#model compiled methods you get that these two are primitive methods. Are they primitive methods? Other (related) question is: When I executed the expression: SystemNavigation default allPrimitiveMethods , I get a OrderedCollection with 5581 elements. Are all those methods, primitive methods? Thanks in advance

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Loading FFI into Pharo?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I haven't had much trouble with it. You can look in the inbox for Migrate (for how I load it) and the DolphinCompatibility package for things that I have added to the ODBC support. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Friedrich Dominicus [frido(a)q-software-solutions.de] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:06 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Loading FFI into Pharo? Friedrich Dominicus <frido(a)q-software-solutions.de> writes: > In the end I'm trying to get ODBC running Pharo 1.1. I checked the docs > and this should work: > > ScriptLoader loadFFI. > > for loading the FFI stuff. If I try that I get the message that this > selector is unkwown. What am I supposed to do to get it known? Ok the magic incarnaton is using ConfigurationOfFFI. well let's see if it helps to get odbc running ;-) Friedrich _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] wrong network packages dependencies

by Pavel Krivanek

issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3133 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > This list of dependencies makes Network package dependent on Morphic > and other high-level packages. > > #('TextMessageLink emphasizeScanner: calls: textColor: ' > 'HTTPSocket class httpJpeg: calls: nextImage ' > 'HTTPSocket class httpShowPage: calls: openLabel: ' > 'HTTPSocket class httpShowChunk: calls: openLabel: ' > 'HTTPSocket class md5Hash: calls: hashMessage: md5HashMessage: ' > 'HTTPSocket class httpGetDocument:args:accept:request: calls: inspect ' > 'HTTPSocket class httpGif: calls: nextImage ' > 'SocketStream class finger: calls: getLine ' > 'MIMEDocument class guessTypeFromName: calls: > forURIReturnSingleMimeTypeOrDefault: ' > 'POP3Client class example calls: inspect ' 'Password passwordFor: > calls: typeWithDefault moniker ' > 'UUIDGenerator makeSeedFromSound calls: randomBitsFromSoundInput: ' > 'MailMessage viewBody calls: openLabel: ' 'MailMessage selfTest calls: > addressesIn: ' > 'MailMessage viewImageInBody calls: withForm: openInWorld drawingClass ' > 'MailtoUrl composeText calls: userName ' > 'MailtoUrl activate calls: sendMessage: ' > 'FtpUrl retrieveContents calls: server servers isTypeFTP server: directory: ' > 'URI openStream:forceNew:encoding: calls: openStream:mode:forceNew:encoding: ' > 'URI mimeType calls: forExtension: ' > 'POP3Client apopLogin calls: hashMessage: ' > 'SMTPClient mailFrom: calls: addressesIn: ') > > -- Pavel >

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] wrong network packages dependencies

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, This list of dependencies makes Network package dependent on Morphic and other high-level packages. #('TextMessageLink emphasizeScanner: calls: textColor: ' 'HTTPSocket class httpJpeg: calls: nextImage ' 'HTTPSocket class httpShowPage: calls: openLabel: ' 'HTTPSocket class httpShowChunk: calls: openLabel: ' 'HTTPSocket class md5Hash: calls: hashMessage: md5HashMessage: ' 'HTTPSocket class httpGetDocument:args:accept:request: calls: inspect ' 'HTTPSocket class httpGif: calls: nextImage ' 'SocketStream class finger: calls: getLine ' 'MIMEDocument class guessTypeFromName: calls: forURIReturnSingleMimeTypeOrDefault: ' 'POP3Client class example calls: inspect ' 'Password passwordFor: calls: typeWithDefault moniker ' 'UUIDGenerator makeSeedFromSound calls: randomBitsFromSoundInput: ' 'MailMessage viewBody calls: openLabel: ' 'MailMessage selfTest calls: addressesIn: ' 'MailMessage viewImageInBody calls: withForm: openInWorld drawingClass ' 'MailtoUrl composeText calls: userName ' 'MailtoUrl activate calls: sendMessage: ' 'FtpUrl retrieveContents calls: server servers isTypeFTP server: directory: ' 'URI openStream:forceNew:encoding: calls: openStream:mode:forceNew:encoding: ' 'URI mimeType calls: forExtension: ' 'POP3Client apopLogin calls: hashMessage: ' 'SMTPClient mailFrom: calls: addressesIn: ') -- Pavel

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Loading FFI into Pharo?

by Friedrich Dominicus

Friedrich Dominicus <frido(a)q-software-solutions.de> writes: > In the end I'm trying to get ODBC running Pharo 1.1. I checked the docs > and this should work: > > ScriptLoader loadFFI. > > for loading the FFI stuff. If I try that I get the message that this > selector is unkwown. What am I supposed to do to get it known? Ok the magic incarnaton is using ConfigurationOfFFI. well let's see if it helps to get odbc running ;-) Friedrich

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Looking for real-world Magma application

by Dennis Schetinin

Is your database abstraction layer description available somewhere? Or it's a secret weapon? 2010/10/21 Johan Brichau <johan(a)inceptive.be> > Hi Igor, > > I guess that you are referring to us ;-) > > We indeed switched from Magma to GOODS and now to Gemstone, mainly because > of performance issues. > To remain db-independent, we have created a database abstraction layer that > can be used with any of the aforementioned databases. We are currently > preparing to open-source the generic part and we can send you our specific > Magma specialization with representative queries made by our application. > > We should be able to get that to you asap! > > Johan > > On 21 Oct 2010, at 08:33, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > Hello all, > > sorry for cross-posting. :) > > > > I'd like to ask you, if anyone could share either an image or > > installation with application, > > which using Magma OODB. > > I'd like to use it & test how changing different aspects of Magma > > internals could affect the performance. > > > > There's many tricks, which is known by Chris how to speed it up by > > cleverly fine-tuning various Magma options, > > like read strategy etc. > > But what i'd like is to see, is some setup, used by people, and by > > taking it, see how it could make run faster, > > without changing an application code. > > > > I remember, someone gave a talk @ ESUG, that they were using Magma for > > their application, > > but then forced to switch to another DB layer, because they had bad > > performance issues. > > It would be good, if you could give me the code, so i can run it and > > see if things could be improved. > > Its not a problem, if code is not open-source, we could sign an NDA, > > if this is necessary. > > > > I need something real, simply because benchmarks sometimes not > > representative. :) > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Dennis Schetinin

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Loading FFI into Pharo?

by Friedrich Dominicus

In the end I'm trying to get ODBC running Pharo 1.1. I checked the docs and this should work: ScriptLoader loadFFI. for loading the FFI stuff. If I try that I get the message that this selector is unkwown. What am I supposed to do to get it known? Regards Friedrich

Oct. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Issue 3130: MethodReference >> #isLocalSelector should not be part of Monticello package

by Pavel Krivanek

This fix makes PackageInfo independent on Monticello. See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3130 -- Pavel

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] ^ character in ubuntu

by Roberto Sapiain

Thanks Gaston. that worked as well in latin-american or spanish keyboard layout (since to access the 'hat' we need to use Alt-Graphic key and another one). :) 2010/10/21 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> > Hello. > > I press the key twice "^" and then just enter it in the editor... I think > this is the correct behavior, because this key can be used for "e" for > example, pressing one and then the "e". > > Saludos :) > > 2010/10/20 Diogenes Moreira <diogenes.moreira(a)gmail.com> > >> joya.. thank you.. >> >> On 10/20/10, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > What happens if you run the same image (Pharo 1.1) but from other VM? >> > Downloaded from the website for example?? >> > >> > Because the oneclick does: >> > >> > #!/bin/sh >> > >> > # path >> > ROOT=`dirname $0` >> > BASE="$ROOT/Contents/Linux" >> > >> > # execute >> > exec "$BASE/squeakvm" \ >> > -plugins "$BASE" \ >> > -encoding latin1 \ >> > -vm-display-X11 \ >> > "$ROOT/Contents/Resources/pharo.image" >> > >> > >> > >> > or similar...maybe there is something bothering there.... >> > >> > cheers >> > >> > mariano >> > >> > 2010/10/20 Diogenes Moreira <diogenes.moreira(a)gmail.com> >> > >> >> Thank you.. >> >> >> >> 2010/10/20 Roberto Sapiain <rsapiain(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> >> Hello. >> >>> >> >>> Well, In my case I just have a simple workaround: in a terminal put >> the >> >>> keyboard in english (with >> >>> # setxkbmap us ; there with shift+6 you get the 'hat' ^ ; to go >> back >> >>> to >> >>> your normal layout setxkbmap latam if its latinamerican or es if >> its >> >>> spanish keyboard type; once you get the character printed, do a copy & >> >>> paste, or memorize the layout of an english keyboard ;)) >> >>> >> >>> cheers, and hello to everyone in the list as well :) >> >>> >> >>> 2010/10/20 Diogenes Moreira <diogenes.moreira(a)gmail.com> >> >>> >> >>>> hi falks. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm using Pharo 1.1 OneClick Package in Ubuntu 10.4 with the follow >> >>>> locale. >> >>>> when press ^ character in the pharo editor i get "?" symbol.. >> >>>> >> >>>> What configuration I need change? >> >>>> >> >>>> Other data, if i using the cut & paste from othe application, that >> work >> >>>> fine. >> >>>> >> >>>> Thank in advance. >> >>>> >> >>>> iogenes@diogenes-desktop:~$ locale >> >>>> LANG=es_AR.utf8 >> >>>> LC_CTYPE="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_NUMERIC="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_TIME="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_COLLATE="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_MONETARY="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_MESSAGES="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_PAPER="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_NAME="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_ADDRESS="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_TELEPHONE="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_MEASUREMENT="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_AR.utf8" >> >>>> LC_ALL= >> >>>> >> >>>> cat /etc/lsb-release >> >>>> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu >> >>>> DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04 >> >>>> DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid >> >>>> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS >> >>>> >> >>>> diogenes@diogenes-desktop:~$ uname -a >> >>>> Linux diogenes-desktop 2.6.32-25-generic-pae #44-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep >> 17 >> >>>> 21:57:48 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> -* Amn El Ith Tir Sol - Honour *- >> >>> Roberto IvÃ¡n Sapiain Caro (RISC). >> >>> Estudiante Ing. Civil en ComputaciÃ³n. >> >>> Universidad de Chile >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- -* Amn El Ith Tir Sol - Honour *- Roberto IvÃ¡n Sapiain Caro (RISC). Estudiante Ing. Civil en ComputaciÃ³n. Universidad de Chile

Oct. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Continue working in SimpleLogger

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Hi Stef: 2010/10/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > and another guy will come and repeat again the same.... > sounds to loop here... > My point is that why do we extend something that apparently is just done for not been extended > else it will be complex and somebody else will restart. > Yes, I understand your point, and was exactly my idea when I wroted (not extend too much). You should ask this question to Mariano :). But I, as I released my original code as MIT, can't negate the access to make derivated versions or so. > Because if toothpick would have been called simpleLogger then may be people would have looked at it the first time. > Sorry to be boring this morning but you are wrap in a moebius trick. > > Tell us when SimpleLogger will not be simple so that we start another simpleloggerBis :) > Stef > But yes, I understand your point. And maybe the Mariano's work is also by the same reasons of my original work, develop my own tools and not have to understand work of others.....Well, life is freedom, I think that anyone can develop whichever code he wants if enjoy doing it :) Cheers.

Oct. 21, 2010