January 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Igor Stasenko

2010/1/20 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: > A good few months back I noticed similarly inexplicable slowness (that I > mistakenly ascribed to some changes...). Went away after image > save/restart... maybe that kind of thing has happened. > Well i just started a fresh image, didn't done anything yet with it, just opened a browser.. But now, i tried to reproduce the same, by starting a very same image, and its magically behaves much faster.. > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser > > >> 2010/1/20 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: >>> Super quick here... (1.1 latest updates, admittedly a quad-core, only one >>> used though...) >> >> I have to take my words back. >> Strange, very strange.. its now magically started working quite fast.. >> As i said, first time i run it, it was flickering the hourglass mouse >> cursor each time i switching between methods in browser. >> What was it? And why it disappears? Any suggestions? >> >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2010/1/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow! >>>>>>> >>>>>> Pharo core? Or Pharo dev? >>>>>> >>>>> core >>>> >>>> It should not... it uses the fast fonts, no syntax highligting... >>>> In essense, it should be the same performance than Squeak 3.9. >>>> >>>> Is it slower than that? I can not see any problem (the curse of a fast >>>> machine?) >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Adrian Lienhard

just a wild guess: maybe its a GC edge case? When it happens, trigger a full GC and see if it is still slow... Adrian On Jan 20, 2010, at 17:26 , Gary Chambers wrote: > A good few months back I noticed similarly inexplicable slowness (that I > mistakenly ascribed to some changes...). Went away after image > save/restart... maybe that kind of thing has happened. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser > > >> 2010/1/20 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: >>> Super quick here... (1.1 latest updates, admittedly a quad-core, only one >>> used though...) >> >> I have to take my words back. >> Strange, very strange.. its now magically started working quite fast.. >> As i said, first time i run it, it was flickering the hourglass mouse >> cursor each time i switching between methods in browser. >> What was it? And why it disappears? Any suggestions? >> >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2010/1/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow! >>>>>>> >>>>>> Pharo core? Or Pharo dev? >>>>>> >>>>> core >>>> >>>> It should not... it uses the fast fonts, no syntax highligting... >>>> In essense, it should be the same performance than Squeak 3.9. >>>> >>>> Is it slower than that? I can not see any problem (the curse of a fast >>>> machine?) >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 20, 2010

[Pharo-project] FileStream speed up

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi levente can you have a look at the attached cs? I integrated up (ul47 -> ul.58) to the change of david because I would prefer that marcus has a look at them Thanks stef

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Gary Chambers

A good few months back I noticed similarly inexplicable slowness (that I mistakenly ascribed to some changes...). Went away after image save/restart... maybe that kind of thing has happened. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser > 2010/1/20 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: >> Super quick here... (1.1 latest updates, admittedly a quad-core, only one >> used though...) > > I have to take my words back. > Strange, very strange.. its now magically started working quite fast.. > As i said, first time i run it, it was flickering the hourglass mouse > cursor each time i switching between methods in browser. > What was it? And why it disappears? Any suggestions? > >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser >> >> >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>>> 2010/1/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow! >>>>>> >>>>> Pharo core? Or Pharo dev? >>>>> >>>> core >>> >>> It should not... it uses the fast fonts, no syntax highligting... >>> In essense, it should be the same performance than Squeak 3.9. >>> >>> Is it slower than that? I can not see any problem (the curse of a fast >>> machine?) >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> -- >>> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Gary Chambers

Shouldn't be obvious I guess (1 tinyBenchmarks '566998892 bytecodes/sec; 16433596 sends/sec') here. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Stasenko" <siguctua(a)gmail.com> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser > 2010/1/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: >> >> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> 2010/1/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> In 1.1? >>>> >>>> Stef >>>>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow! >>>> >>>> can you provide some reproducable data? >>>> that we can compare? >>>> >>> >>> Sorry, but i have no time to prove the obvious. >>> You could just start the trunk image at anytime and see it yourself. >>> >>> Two images running on same VM , same machine.. a lot of difference. >> >> >> >> Maybe this is the caching of FileStream? This should make a difference on >> a slow >> machine... >> > Caching should in contrary increase the speed, isnt? > And i wouldn't say that my machine is slow > CPU0: AMD Phenom(tm) 8450 Triple-Core Processor stepping 03 > '85618729 bytecodes/sec; 4708854 sends/sec' > > >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> >> Maybe this is the caching of FileStream? This should make a difference on a slow >> machine... >> > Caching should in contrary increase the speed, isnt? Yes, Squeak does it, Pharo not (yet). > And i wouldn't say that my machine is slow > CPU0: AMD Phenom(tm) 8450 Triple-Core Processor stepping 03 > '85618729 bytecodes/sec; 4708854 sends/sec' > Hmm.. the bytecode/sec look strange. Mine is a factor 5 faster, and it's just a Core2Duo 2.5Ghz: '419328419 bytecodes/sec; 11484087 sends/sec' Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Igor Stasenko

2010/1/20 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: > Super quick here... (1.1 latest updates, admittedly a quad-core, only one > used though...) I have to take my words back. Strange, very strange.. its now magically started working quite fast.. As i said, first time i run it, it was flickering the hourglass mouse cursor each time i switching between methods in browser. What was it? And why it disappears? Any suggestions? > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser > > >> >> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> 2010/1/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :) >>>>> >>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow! >>>>> >>>> Pharo core? Â Or Pharo dev? >>>> >>> core >> >> It should not... it uses the fast fonts, no syntax highligting... >> In essense, it should be the same performance than Squeak 3.9. >> >> Is it slower than that? I can not see any problem (the curse of a fast >> machine?) >> >> Marcus >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Copy/paste not works

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok excellent >>>>> Everything works perfectly on #11151 then can you look at the Utilities there is a method that let you update upto a given number. updateFromServerThroughUpdateNumber: aNumber so far: 11152 - Issue 1773: MorphTreeMorph MNU when using keyboard - Issue 1775: aClass getSource vs aCompiledMethod definition'. 11153 "self new update11153" self withUpdateLog: 'Issue 268: TODO: CurvierMorph should be merged with PolygonMorph Issue 1141: Monticello directory selection window is non-resizable and very small Issue 1770: Kernel-Tests-ClassBuilder category is not remove after ClassBuilderFormatTests tests are run Issue 1774: Monticello repository edit works but doesnt update UI Issue 1780: StrikeFont issues with derived fonts Issue 1782: Save Dialog too small'. 11154" self withUpdateLog: '- Issue 1788: SMTPClient does not send HELO or EHLO, session is not initiated - Issue 1793: Remove SqueakClipBoard - Issue 1764: remove isPvtSelector'. 11155" self withUpdateLog: '- Issue 1805: Bitmap fonts need reinitialization StrikeFont installDejaVu - Merged CompilerTests.lr.17.mcz merged Compiler-cwp.73.mcz from Colin "The compiler now uses notifications to signal that a correctable error has been found in the method source, rather than interacting directly with the user." - Issue 332: Arithmetic protocol should be removed from Collections and Strings '. 11156" self withUpdateLog: '- Issue 1811: FreeType fix for better integration of Rome Tx Mike :) - Issue 1151: RFC2047MimeConverter>>#readWord is broken, and this may be part of a larger issue tx Peter :) (it was not marked as fixed nor 1.1 so skipped our radar) - Issue 1751: allPairsDo: aBinaryBlock self do: [:first| self do: [:second| aBinaryBlock value: first value: second]] - Issue 1769: TestRunner author while running tests so we will have popup menu problems and in such case should fix the tests'. update11157" self withUpdateLog: 'Issue 1491: ImageSegment has special code for Player'. 11158" self withUpdateLog: '- Issue 478: [Pending Etoy Cleaning] Object>>defaultNameStemForInstances - Issue 479: [Etoy Pending Cleaning] Object>> externalName - Issue 491: [Pending Etoy Cleaning] Morph>>defaultFloatPrecisionFor - Issue 490: [Pending Etoy Cleaning] Morph >> decimalPlacesForGetter:'. 11158" self withUpdateLog: '- Issue 478: [Pending Etoy Cleaning] Object>>defaultNameStemForInstances - Issue 479: [Etoy Pending Cleaning] Object>> externalName - Issue 491: [Pending Etoy Cleaning] Morph>>defaultFloatPrecisionFor - Issue 490: [Pending Etoy Cleaning] Morph >> decimalPlacesForGetter:'. 11160" self withUpdateLog: '- Issue 1821: Remove again service -base'. self script716. ServiceUnloader unloadServicesBasePackage. 11161" self withUpdateLog: 'Issue 765: Menu must not be zero size Issue 1793: Remove SqueakClipBoard Issue 1790: basicShallowCopy should be removed may be the SqueakClipBoard?

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Igor Stasenko

2010/1/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> 2010/1/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> In 1.1? >>> >>> Stef >>>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow! >>> >>> can you provide some reproducable data? >>> that we can compare? >>> >> >> Sorry, but i have no time to prove the obvious. >> You could just start the trunk image at anytime and see it yourself. >> >> Two images running on same VM , same machine.. a lot of difference. > > > > Maybe this is the caching of FileStream? This should make a difference on a slow > machine... > Caching should in contrary increase the speed, isnt? And i wouldn't say that my machine is slow CPU0: AMD Phenom(tm) 8450 Triple-Core Processor stepping 03 '85618729 bytecodes/sec; 4708854 sends/sec' > Â Â Â Â Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Jan. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser

by Gary Chambers

Super quick here... (1.1 latest updates, admittedly a quad-core, only one used though...) Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A dog-slow browser > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> 2010/1/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :) >>>> >>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow! >>>> >>> Pharo core? Or Pharo dev? >>> >> core > > It should not... it uses the fast fonts, no syntax highligting... > In essense, it should be the same performance than Squeak 3.9. > > Is it slower than that? I can not see any problem (the curse of a fast > machine?) > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 20, 2010