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Re: [Pharo-project] TestIndenting fails with Exupery (was: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2)

by laurent laffont

It's the opposite for me :) TestIndenting>>testCR2 and TestIndenting>>testNewLineLeaveSpacesOnOldLine fails because FTPlugin is here (in exupery). If I delete FTPlugin directory, these tests succeed. Laurent 2010/1/24 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Done: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1870 > > I wanted to cc Laurent in the issue, but he is not in the list. Can we add > him ? > > Laurent, Miguel: Can you help us to write this lists? We need to know which > are the tests that are failing because the FTPlugin is not compiled. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > >> Mariano, can you create an issue in the tracker with the list of failing >> tests that are of this sort? Like this I'll delete them in the next update. >> >> Adrian >> >> On Jan 24, 2010, at 20:21 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> > I would delete them :) >> > and keep expected failures to the ones that we should really fix. >> > >> > Stef >> > On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> > >> >> Yes, that's another possibility. What I was thinking is to put them in >> expdetedFailures. Something like this: >> >> >> >> expectedFailures >> >> self isTrueTypePluginsInstalled ifFalse: [ ^ #( #test1 #test2 ... ) >> ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >> wrote: >> >> I think we should just delete such kind of tests that depend on custom >> settings and fonts. >> >> >> >> Adrian >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 24, 2010, at 15:47 , laurent laffont wrote: >> >> >> >>> If I delete FTPlugin directory found in Exupery vm then TestIndenting >> >>> succeed. So FTPlugin + Exupery + Linux = TestIndenting fails. >> >>> >> >>> Someone know how can I compile squeak vm with FTPlugin ? I cannot find >> >>> informations on this. >> >>> >> >>> Cheers. >> >>> >> >>> Laurent >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> >>>> >> >>>>> I lack knowledge :( >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> me too :) Don't worry. We are all trying to do our best. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> how can I enable / disable a plugin ? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't know if this is possible. Maybe in some Linux/Mac distros >> maybe how >> >>>> can just delete the files, but in Windows for example, I think they >> are >> >>>> build inside the vm... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> What can I check more precisely ? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> I think with this: " SmalltalkImage current listLoadedModules" >> >>>> >> >>>> What would really help is to: >> >>>> >> >>>> - See which plugins do you have in each Linux VM, with that piece of >> code. >> >>>> >> >>>> - Check which tests are failing and do a quick review. Because maybe >> they >> >>>> are failing due to a primitive or something for the VM. We need to >> discover >> >>>> what is the problem. Not necessary fix it, but at least to know where >> the >> >>>> problem came from. >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers and thanks a lot for the help. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mariano >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Laurent >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> wow....Laurent: can you check which and why are the tests that are >> failing >> >>>>>> in each vm but not in the other ? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> maybe because of FTPlugin ? or another plugin that it is not in >> both >> >>>>>> vms but requiered by the tests? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And with squeak vm there's less failures. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Laurent Laffont >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:18 PM, laurent laffont < >> >>>>>>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Linux, exupery VM >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Laurent >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2010/1/22 Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Here's the first test run, on a fresh image (see JPEG attached >> for >> >>>>>>>>> results). >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I just unzipped the files, started Pharo and ran the Test >> Runner. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> No preferences changed, nothing even evaluated in a workspace! >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I'm on XP if that helps! >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>>>>>>>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>>>>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestIndenting fails with Exupery (was: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2)

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 24.01.2010 21:18, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Done: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1870 > > I wanted to cc Laurent in the issue, but he is not in the list. Can we > add him ? > > Laurent, Miguel: Can you help us to write this lists? We need to know > which are the tests that are failing because the FTPlugin is not compiled. > > Cheers > > Mariano I've not looked into it, but look for tests which assume hardcoded font-dimensions. An alternate approach is of course to rewrite the tests to get this info from the current font, the way to do this might be different for Bitmap/TrueType/Bitmap with alpha fonts though. Cheers, Henry

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestIndenting fails with Exupery (was: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Done: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1870 I wanted to cc Laurent in the issue, but he is not in the list. Can we add him ? Laurent, Miguel: Can you help us to write this lists? We need to know which are the tests that are failing because the FTPlugin is not compiled. Cheers Mariano On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Mariano, can you create an issue in the tracker with the list of failing > tests that are of this sort? Like this I'll delete them in the next update. > > Adrian > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 20:21 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > I would delete them :) > > and keep expected failures to the ones that we should really fix. > > > > Stef > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > >> Yes, that's another possibility. What I was thinking is to put them in > expdetedFailures. Something like this: > >> > >> expectedFailures > >> self isTrueTypePluginsInstalled ifFalse: [ ^ #( #test1 #test2 ... ) > ] > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: > >> I think we should just delete such kind of tests that depend on custom > settings and fonts. > >> > >> Adrian > >> > >> > >> On Jan 24, 2010, at 15:47 , laurent laffont wrote: > >> > >>> If I delete FTPlugin directory found in Exupery vm then TestIndenting > >>> succeed. So FTPlugin + Exupery + Linux = TestIndenting fails. > >>> > >>> Someone know how can I compile squeak vm with FTPlugin ? I cannot find > >>> informations on this. > >>> > >>> Cheers. > >>> > >>> Laurent > >>> > >>> > >>> 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >>>> > >>>>> I lack knowledge :( > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> me too :) Don't worry. We are all trying to do our best. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> how can I enable / disable a plugin ? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't know if this is possible. Maybe in some Linux/Mac distros > maybe how > >>>> can just delete the files, but in Windows for example, I think they > are > >>>> build inside the vm... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> What can I check more precisely ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> I think with this: " SmalltalkImage current listLoadedModules" > >>>> > >>>> What would really help is to: > >>>> > >>>> - See which plugins do you have in each Linux VM, with that piece of > code. > >>>> > >>>> - Check which tests are failing and do a quick review. Because maybe > they > >>>> are failing due to a primitive or something for the VM. We need to > discover > >>>> what is the problem. Not necessary fix it, but at least to know where > the > >>>> problem came from. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers and thanks a lot for the help. > >>>> > >>>> Mariano > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Laurent > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> wow....Laurent: can you check which and why are the tests that are > failing > >>>>>> in each vm but not in the other ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> maybe because of FTPlugin ? or another plugin that it is not in > both > >>>>>> vms but requiered by the tests? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And with squeak vm there's less failures. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Laurent Laffont > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:18 PM, laurent laffont < > >>>>>>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Linux, exupery VM > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Laurent > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2010/1/22 Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here's the first test run, on a fresh image (see JPEG attached > for > >>>>>>>>> results). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I just unzipped the files, started Pharo and ran the Test Runner. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> No preferences changed, nothing even evaluated in a workspace! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm on XP if that helps! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Michael Litchard wrote: >> >> There are SEVERAL reasons, but I don't have time to answer correctly. I will >> let the board to answer, but I will to a summary: >> >> - Because of marketing >> - Because to give visibility to outside >> - People that are waiting to build stuff because they won't do it until have >> a "stable release" >> - Companies may not move on a propject that doesn't have yet a stable >> release > >> - Having two branches requieres time and effort > Am I understanding this correctly? Am I to believe that Pharo doesn't > have both a development and production branch, or have I > misunderstood? It has... in 1.0, only bugfixes are integrated. There is a 1.1 (already 180 updates) where all the other stuff is done. You can download the last pre-built core image of 1.1 here: http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25338/PharoCore-1.1-11177-UNSTABLE.… The idea is to release 1.0 officially as soon as possible... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestIndenting fails with Exupery (was: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2)

by Adrian Lienhard

Mariano, can you create an issue in the tracker with the list of failing tests that are of this sort? Like this I'll delete them in the next update. Adrian On Jan 24, 2010, at 20:21 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I would delete them :) > and keep expected failures to the ones that we should really fix. > > Stef > On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Yes, that's another possibility. What I was thinking is to put them in expdetedFailures. Something like this: >> >> expectedFailures >> self isTrueTypePluginsInstalled ifFalse: [ ^ #( #test1 #test2 ... ) ] >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: >> I think we should just delete such kind of tests that depend on custom settings and fonts. >> >> Adrian >> >> >> On Jan 24, 2010, at 15:47 , laurent laffont wrote: >> >>> If I delete FTPlugin directory found in Exupery vm then TestIndenting >>> succeed. So FTPlugin + Exupery + Linux = TestIndenting fails. >>> >>> Someone know how can I compile squeak vm with FTPlugin ? I cannot find >>> informations on this. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Laurent >>> >>> >>> 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> I lack knowledge :( >>>> >>>> >>>> me too :) Don't worry. We are all trying to do our best. >>>> >>>> >>>>> how can I enable / disable a plugin ? >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know if this is possible. Maybe in some Linux/Mac distros maybe how >>>> can just delete the files, but in Windows for example, I think they are >>>> build inside the vm... >>>> >>>> >>>>> What can I check more precisely ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I think with this: " SmalltalkImage current listLoadedModules" >>>> >>>> What would really help is to: >>>> >>>> - See which plugins do you have in each Linux VM, with that piece of code. >>>> >>>> - Check which tests are failing and do a quick review. Because maybe they >>>> are failing due to a primitive or something for the VM. We need to discover >>>> what is the problem. Not necessary fix it, but at least to know where the >>>> problem came from. >>>> >>>> Cheers and thanks a lot for the help. >>>> >>>> Mariano >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Laurent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> wow....Laurent: can you check which and why are the tests that are failing >>>>>> in each vm but not in the other ? >>>>>> >>>>>> maybe because of FTPlugin ? or another plugin that it is not in both >>>>>> vms but requiered by the tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> And with squeak vm there's less failures. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laurent Laffont >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:18 PM, laurent laffont < >>>>>>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Linux, exupery VM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laurent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2010/1/22 Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the first test run, on a fresh image (see JPEG attached for >>>>>>>>> results). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just unzipped the files, started Pharo and ran the Test Runner. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No preferences changed, nothing even evaluated in a workspace! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm on XP if that helps! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by Adrian Lienhard

>> - Having two branches requieres time and effort > Am I understanding this correctly? Am I to believe that Pharo doesn't > have both a development and production branch, or have I > misunderstood? Pharo has both a development and production branch. The release 1.0 is going to be the maintained production branch and it will get maintenance releases (1.0.x) if important fixes need to be added. At the same time we are working on the 1.1 development branch, which currently is in unstable alpha stage. Cheers, Adrian

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Michael We have 1.0 (on final release cycle) and 1.1-unstable and for both we have core and dev images. 1.0 is on release period for too long now mainly because of a vicious bug due to mac menu that duplicated events. Now we will release 1.0 because as mariano explained we should move on. His arguments are quite clear to me and the board agrees with him. Then 1.1 already improves so much compared to 1.0 that we will probably a much shorter iteration. Because else people will report bugs on 1.0 that do not make sense in 1.1 and we will try to avoid the "already fixed in 1.1 syndrome" This is why 1.0 should get out! and we celebrate it and go fast improving 1.1. I want a 1.1 version for May/June. Stef

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> > > - Having two branches requieres time and effort > Am I understanding this correctly? Am I to believe that Pharo doesn't > have both a development and production branch, or have I > misunderstood? > > > Maybe I don't understand you :) The thing is that there are two "System Update" or Update Stream: One for 1.0 and one for 1.1. So...integrating fixes in both, takes and requires time. And time that we can use is somthing better. And not only that, we you are going to report a bug, submit an issue, etc...you spent time checking if it works on both..etc > > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of > Mariano > >> Martinez Peck > >> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:32 AM > >> To: Pharo Development > >> Subject: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] > Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2 > >> > >> Hi folks. This is 1.0 RC2. Please, look at this image in a nice way > >> because it is very likely that if there is no big issue, it will be 1.0 > >> official. We need to release 1.0. > >> > >> Issues fixed: In addition to the fixes from the PharoCore, we have: > 1033, > >> 1182, 1826, 1862. > >> > >> Big changes: > >> > >> - Now we use OB from Lukas Renggli repository and we have ALL TESTS > >> GREEN!!! Thanks Lukas! > >> - O2 loads again in the image without breaking OB. Read the workspace to > >> see how to install it. Thanks David and Alexandre! > >> - We have almost (only one failing here) ALL TESTS of the PharoDev image > >> in green. They are more than 8800. > >> > >> Smaller changes: > >> > >> - Fixed the problem with Metacello and OCompletion. No more overrides. > >> - System -> About now shows the real Pharo name, not the core. I am also > >> being "compatible" with the new SystemVersion that we have in 1.1 :) > >> Thanks Michael and Miguel! > >> - I didn't left again my proxy settings. I fixed this in my build > scripts. > >> It should be clean :) > >> - Mercury bar is back again. If you want to disable: Preferences > disable: > >> #mercuryPanel. > >> - Added a lot of cleanups after creating the image, including condensing > >> .changes > >> - Added Refactoring-Spelling again. Thanks Stan! > >> - I wrote a ConfigurationOfNile instead of Nile-All and depends on > >> Monticello dependencies. > >> - New welcome workspaces. Also getting started workspace and another > >> workspace explaining how to load external packages like Seaside (2.8 and > 3), > >> Magritte, Pier, Moose, GetTools, O2, etc. Finally it is also added a > link to > >> the new ProfStef :) > >> Do you think that with this we are able to close issue1479 ? > >> - Background with Pharo picture. This was a joke. It looked nice :) I > >> promise I don't put it again if you don't like. To remove it evaluate: > >> World color: Color white. > >> - Enable the preference fastDragWindowForMorphic. Sorry, but it most > >> computers this works REALLY slow. If you want them back, just disable > it. > >> - When installing Seaside now doesn't ask for user and password ( > >> admin/seaside ). In addition, the Seaside Control Panel is only > isntalled if > >> OB is installed. This means that yu can install it in core or dev. > Thanks > >> Dale! > >> - Disable of System Update for Dev images as it is not working properly. > >> > >> > >> The link is: > >> > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25397/Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2… > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Mariano > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by Michael Litchard

> > There are SEVERAL reasons, but I don't have time to answer correctly. I will > let the board to answer, but I will to a summary: > > - Because of marketing > - Because to give visibility to outside > - People that are waiting to build stuff because they won't do it until have > a "stable release" > - Companies may not move on a propject that doesn't have yet a stable > release > - Having two branches requieres time and effort Am I understanding this correctly? Am I to believe that Pharo doesn't have both a development and production branch, or have I misunderstood? > - We need to progress in 1.1 > - Because people won't believe in us anymore. We said that the 1.0 release > was going to be one year ago. > > If you want to continue this discussion, please open another thread. > > Cheers > > Mariano > >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano >> Martinez Peck >> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:32 AM >> To: Pharo Development >> Subject: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2 >> >> Hi folks.Â This is 1.0 RC2. Please, look at this image in a nice way >> because it is very likely that if there is no big issue, it will be 1.0 >> official. We need to release 1.0. >> >> Issues fixed:Â In addition to the fixes from the PharoCore, we have: 1033, >> 1182, 1826, 1862. >> >> Big changes: >> >> - Now we use OB from Lukas Renggli repository and we have ALL TESTS >> GREEN!!!Â Â Â Thanks Lukas! >> - O2 loads again in the image without breaking OB. Read the workspace to >> see how to install it. Thanks David and Alexandre! >> - We have almost (only one failing here) ALL TESTS of the PharoDev image >> in green. They are more than 8800. >> >> Smaller changes: >> >> - Fixed the problem with Metacello and OCompletion. No more overrides. >> - System -> About now shows the real Pharo name, not the core. I am also >> being "compatible" with the new SystemVersion that we have in 1.1Â :) >> Thanks Michael and Miguel! >> - I didn't left again my proxy settings. I fixed this in my build scripts. >> It should be cleanÂ :) >> - Mercury bar is back again. If you want to disable:Â Preferences disable: >> #mercuryPanel. >> - Added a lot of cleanups after creating the image, including condensing >> .changes >> - Added Refactoring-Spelling again.Â Â Thanks Stan! >> - I wrote a ConfigurationOfNile instead of Nile-All and depends on >> Monticello dependencies. >> - New welcome workspaces. Also getting started workspace and another >> workspace explaining how to load external packages like Seaside (2.8 and 3), >> Magritte, Pier, Moose, GetTools, O2, etc. Finally it is also added a link to >> the new ProfStef :) >> Do you think that with this we are able to close issue1479 ? >> - Background with Pharo picture. This was a joke. It looked nice :)Â Â Â I >> promise I don't put it again if you don't like. To remove it evaluate: >> World color: Color white. >> - Enable the preference fastDragWindowForMorphic. Sorry, but it most >> computers this works REALLY slow. If you want them back, just disable it. >> - When installing Seaside now doesn't ask for user and password ( >> admin/seaside ). In addition, the Seaside Control Panel is only isntalled if >> OB is installed. This means that yu can install it in core or dev. Thanks >> Dale! >> - Disable of System Update for Dev images as it is not working properly. >> >> >> The link is: >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25397/Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2… >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestIndenting fails with Exupery (was: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would delete them :) and keep expected failures to the ones that we should really fix. Stef On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Yes, that's another possibility. What I was thinking is to put them in expdetedFailures. Something like this: > > expectedFailures > self isTrueTypePluginsInstalled ifFalse: [ ^ #( #test1 #test2 ... ) ] > > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > I think we should just delete such kind of tests that depend on custom settings and fonts. > > Adrian > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 15:47 , laurent laffont wrote: > > > If I delete FTPlugin directory found in Exupery vm then TestIndenting > > succeed. So FTPlugin + Exupery + Linux = TestIndenting fails. > > > > Someone know how can I compile squeak vm with FTPlugin ? I cannot find > > informations on this. > > > > Cheers. > > > > Laurent > > > > > > 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > >> > >> > >> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >> > >>> I lack knowledge :( > >> > >> > >> me too :) Don't worry. We are all trying to do our best. > >> > >> > >>> how can I enable / disable a plugin ? > >> > >> > >> I don't know if this is possible. Maybe in some Linux/Mac distros maybe how > >> can just delete the files, but in Windows for example, I think they are > >> build inside the vm... > >> > >> > >>> What can I check more precisely ? > >>> > >>> > >> I think with this: " SmalltalkImage current listLoadedModules" > >> > >> What would really help is to: > >> > >> - See which plugins do you have in each Linux VM, with that piece of code. > >> > >> - Check which tests are failing and do a quick review. Because maybe they > >> are failing due to a primitive or something for the VM. We need to discover > >> what is the problem. Not necessary fix it, but at least to know where the > >> problem came from. > >> > >> Cheers and thanks a lot for the help. > >> > >> Mariano > >> > >> > >> > >>> Laurent > >>> > >>> > >>> 2010/1/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>> wow....Laurent: can you check which and why are the tests that are failing > >>>> in each vm but not in the other ? > >>>> > >>>> maybe because of FTPlugin ? or another plugin that it is not in both > >>>> vms but requiered by the tests? > >>>> > >>>> 2010/1/23 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >>>> > >>>> And with squeak vm there's less failures. > >>>>> > >>>>> Laurent Laffont > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:18 PM, laurent laffont < > >>>>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Linux, exupery VM > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Laurent > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2010/1/22 Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Here's the first test run, on a fresh image (see JPEG attached for > >>>>>>> results). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I just unzipped the files, started Pharo and ran the Test Runner. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No preferences changed, nothing even evaluated in a workspace! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm on XP if that helps! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 24, 2010