January 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Sorry, I realize something. Maybe it would be cool also if you tell us if you use web or dev. I happens also several times that the seaside installation, or pier or whatever are not working very well. So...it would be cool to have both testers :) If you have access to the wiki, just add your self on it. If you don't have access ask to Adrian and he will give you. Finally you can put it here and then I put it in the wiki. Cheers! Mariano On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ok.....I collect all the information here: > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters > > Feel free to add something else. > > The only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in holidays, I > don't know. > > The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image to > test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to each of > us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list and not > all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having them in > cc is a good idea. > > Cheers, > > M > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Miguel CobÃ¡ <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> > So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to know: >> OS, >> > VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, >> > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. >> > >> > - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, 32 >> bits >> > - Stan Shepherd >> > >> > >> > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? >> >> Me too. >> >> - Miguel CobÃ¡, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May >> 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits >> >> >> > >> > cheers and happy new year!! >> > >> >> Feliz aÃ±o tambiÃ©n Mariano. >> >> Miguel CobÃ¡ >> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:00 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm in > > CMU Mach Operating System ;) > > nah, Windows XP (but I swear I've installed the Mach when I was 20, a > true nightmare), 32-bit, PharoCore. > > You said PharoCore but we aware that this "beta tester" list is for dev and web packages. > Cheers, > > HernÃ n > > 2009/12/31 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > Ok, you already know the idea. Damien, or the person that build the next > > Pharo dev and web images will send those Pharo beta testers a private > email > > with the link to download the image. No ANN and now update is done yet to > > the website. Then the betatesters use that image as much as possible for > a > > couple of days. Report bugs if necessary and if it is ok, the image is > > released. > > > > Regarding the list of beta testers would be perfect if we cover the > > combination of OS (Linux, Mac, Windows) and the browser (OB, O2). But we > > cannot pretend too much. Take into account that not all the people can > work > > with a new image very easily because they have to migrate data > > ...etc..Others can just download the project from MC and start to work :) > > > > So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to know: > OS, > > VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, > > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. > > > > - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, 32 > bits > > - Stan Shepherd > > > > > > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? > > > > cheers and happy new year!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Ok.....I collect all the information here: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters Feel free to add something else. The only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in holidays, I don't know. The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image to test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to each of us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list and not all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having them in cc is a good idea. Cheers, M On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Miguel CobÃ¡ <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to know: > OS, > > VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, > > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. > > > > - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, 32 > bits > > - Stan Shepherd > > > > > > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? > > Me too. > > - Miguel CobÃ¡, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May > 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits > > > > > > cheers and happy new year!! > > > > Feliz aÃ±o tambiÃ©n Mariano. > > Miguel CobÃ¡ > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] I still don't understand how this work

by Lukas Renggli

> However, another problem is that suppose I want to commit a fix to > OB-Standard, I cannot because I have also all those changes with me. I must > take another image (core) and download OB again :( Yeah, that's another common reason for many broken commits in the official repository. I suggest that you create your own repository where you (and the ones you trust) have write access and where you copy the versions that YOU have tested and the YOU know to work. Otherwise you will never get rid of these subtle problems. Public repositories (other than an inbox) simply don't work for popular projects (see Pharo, Seaside). Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Cannot even browse a class in web image

by Lukas Renggli

> Lukas, there is something I really don't understand. Are you sure that in > this thread you are answering to the bug 1724 ? > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1724 > > Because I realised that this get fixed if you load the fix to the bug 1433 > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1433 > > And this seems to be quite different to what said > > Even more, 1721, the bug you told me, happens using OB I cannot reproduce it. Looks like 1433 fixes the root cause of the bug. My fix simply changes the way how OB displays text in lists, what fixes the problem in OB. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 1, 2010

[Pharo-project] Pharo based "Web Velocity"

by Geert Claes

Just wondering if anyone here knows about Cincom's WebVelocity Seaside based web development environment. Are there any open source Pharo alternatives? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-based-Web-Velocity-tp4240702p4240702.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] I still don't understand how this work

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok...suppose this was the case (thanks for the explanation!)...shouldn't > be > > "dirty" in the Monticello Browser??? Why after seeing the changes it is > > dirty? I think that anyway, this is a bug. > > Yeah, that's a long standing subtle bug in the change notification of > Monticello (class side of MCPackageManager). Treat the dirty flag as a > quick hint. You only get the proof if you calculate the changes. > > Thanks Lukas. I created the issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1729 However, another problem is that suppose I want to commit a fix to OB-Standard, I cannot because I have also all those changes with me. I must take another image (core) and download OB again :( > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Cannot even browse a class in web image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've encountered and fixed that bug a long time ago in OB-Morphic in > OBLazyListMorph>>display:atRow:on:. This is the same bug in > O2-Morphic. Compare with "[Pharo-project] We need to do something, > seriously!!!! [WAS] Fwd: Issue 1721: Refactoring appears to be broken > in web dev image. e.g. OBClassNode(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: > #dynamicProtocols". > > Lukas, there is something I really don't understand. Are you sure that in this thread you are answering to the bug 1724 ? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1724 Because I realised that this get fixed if you load the fix to the bug 1433 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1433 And this seems to be quite different to what said Even more, 1721, the bug you told me, happens using OB > Lukas > > 2009/12/31 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > Issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1724 > > > > Pharo image: pharo1.0-10502-rc1web09.12.2 > > Pharo core version: 10502 > > Virtual machine used: Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app > > Class browser used if applicable: O2PackageBrowserAdaptor. > > > > Steps to reproduce: > > 1. Open a class browser > > 2. Click on the class ByteArray from the package Collection-Arrayed > > > > 'MessageNotUnderstood: ByteSymbol>>hasWideCharacterFrom:to:' > > > > I attach PharoDebug.log > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Solving the documentation problem. Capturing tacit knowledge. Knowledge reuse.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

what would be better is to use an infrastructure similar to the one of http://book.seaside.st (port pdf or latex into pier syntax - lukas has a bunch of scripts) since we can generate pdf from it. But this is not me that will do it (but I would support and encourage people to do it). Stef On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:16 PM, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > Adrian, > > This is a problem of simple solution: volunteer to convert the LaTeX PBE book to HTML and find a place to host it! > > my 0.019999... > > -- > Cesar Rabak > > > > Em 01/01/2010 03:47, Adrian Kuhn < akuhn(a)iam.unibe.ch > escreveu: > > > Schwab,Wilhelm K writes: > >> This sounds like a great way to augment documentation, but I still like class >> and method comments - Stef might want to work on the train :) Various things >> mentioned here recently (such as threading) will hopefully get chapters in >> PBE. > > My (general) problem with book chapters is that they are not googlable. > > For example the awesome chapter on how exceptions work that was sent around on > this list some time ago. Nobody will *ever* gonna stumble upon that chapter > when googling (or binging, et cetera) for "exceptions smalltalk". OTOH, when I > write a blog post it is indexed within 2 minutes! > > --AA > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Solving the documentation problem. Capturing tacit knowledge. Knowledge reuse.

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Adrian, This is a problem of simple solution: volunteer to convert the LaTeX PBE book to HTML and find a place to host it! my 0.019999... -- Cesar Rabak Em 01/01/2010 03:47, Adrian Kuhn < akuhn(a)iam.unibe.ch > escreveu: Schwab,Wilhelm K writes: > This sounds like a great way to augment documentation, but I still like class > and method comments - Stef might want to work on the train :) Various things > mentioned here recently (such as threading) will hopefully get chapters in > PBE. My (general) problem with book chapters is that they are not googlable. For example the awesome chapter on how exceptions work that was sent around on this list some time ago. Nobody will *ever* gonna stumble upon that chapter when googling (or binging, et cetera) for "exceptions smalltalk". OTOH, when I write a blog post it is indexed within 2 minutes! --AA _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 1, 2010