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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:50 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mariano, > I don't use dev or web images. I've found the PharoCore more stable, > for example now I'm fixing a dependency browser bug in the dev image > #10502 (trying a dev after a long time), and clicking with the right > button gives me : > > MessageNotUnderstood: OBTextSelection>>isMethodNode > > Yes, this is issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1182 > but isn't just that bug, I've never worked 30 minutes with the dev/web > images without interaction bugs. I wonder what happens with Smalltalk > and Pharo newcomers when these bugs appears, but there's no survey > system for Pharo users so no one can't figure out anyway. Well, > fortunately there are no too many public word of mouth recommendation > systems yet :) > HernÃ¡n: I agreee 100%. All of what you describe is what I said in the email with subject "We need to do something, seriously, ..." And that's exactly what I proposed to do this stuff about the beta testers. Cheers Mariano > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2010/1/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > Sorry, I realize something. Maybe it would be cool also if you tell us if > > you use web or dev. I happens also several times that the seaside > > installation, or pier or whatever are not working very well. So...it > would > > be cool to have both testers :) > > > > If you have access to the wiki, just add your self on it. If you don't > have > > access ask to Adrian and he will give you. Finally you can put it here > and > > then I put it in the wiki. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Mariano > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Ok.....I collect all the information here: > >> > >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters > >> > >> Feel free to add something else. > >> > >> The only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in holidays, > I > >> don't know. > >> > >> The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image > to > >> test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to each > of > >> us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list and > not > >> all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having > them in > >> cc is a good idea. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> M > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Miguel CobÃ¡ <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> > So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to > know: > >>> > OS, > >>> > VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, > >>> > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. > >>> > > >>> > - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, > 32 > >>> > bits > >>> > - Stan Shepherd > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? > >>> > >>> Me too. > >>> > >>> - Miguel CobÃ¡, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May > >>> 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > cheers and happy new year!! > >>> > > >>> > >>> Feliz aÃ±o tambiÃ©n Mariano. > >>> > >>> Miguel CobÃ¡ > >>> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 2, 2010

[Pharo-project] [update 1.0] #10503

by Adrian Lienhard

Issue 1433: ByteSymbol DNU #hasWideCharacterFrom:to: Issue 1638: MNU when Package Browser is opened via Method Finder Issue 1639: VB-Regex upgrade to latest version Issue 1728: FontChooser open leads to an error Issue 1719: After running all tests, mac menus for tools and debug are gone note, the last two are not in 1.1 yet. ___________________ http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi Mariano, A list for beta-testers would be very helpful too (at least has a way to get informed about new releases) Cheers, Esteban On 2010-01-01 18:56:45 -0300, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> said: > > > Ok.....I collect all the information here: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters > > Feel free to add something else. > > The only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in holidays, I > don't know. > > The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image to > test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to each of > us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list and not > all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having them i= > n > cc is a good idea. > > Cheers, > > M > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Miguel Cob=E1 > <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com> wrot= > e: > >>> So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to know: >> OS, >>> VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, >>> I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. >>> >>> - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, 32 >> bits >>> - Stan Shepherd >>> >>> >>> WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? >> >> Me too. >> >> - Miguel Cob=E1, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May >> 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits >> >> >>> >>> cheers and happy new year!! >>> >> >> Feliz a=F1o tambi=E9n Mariano. >> >> Miguel Cob=E1 >> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > Ok.....I collect all the information here:<br><br><a href=3D"http://code.go= > ogle.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters">http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wik= > i/ListOfBetaTesters</a><br><br>Feel free to add something else.<br><br>The = > only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in holidays, I = > don't know.<br> > <br>The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image= > to test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to eac= > h of us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list an= > d not all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having = > them in cc is a good idea.<br> > <br>Cheers,<br><br>M<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 = > at 12:41 AM, Miguel Cob=E1 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:miguel.c= > oba(a)gmail.com">miguel.coba(a)gmail.com</a>></span> > wrote:<br><blockquote c= > lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); ma= > rgin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> > <div class=3D"im">> So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it wou= > ld be cool to know: OS,<br> > > VM version, Dev or Web,=A0 browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits,<br> > > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki.<br> > ><br> > > - Mariano Martinez Peck.=A0 Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app,=A0 Dev, OB= > , 32 bits<br> > > - Stan Shepherd<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ??<br> > <br> > </div>Me too.<br> > <br> > - Miguel Cob=E1, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May<br> > 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits<br> > <div class=3D"im"><br> > <br> > ><br> > > cheers and happy new year!!<br> > ><br> > <br> > </div>Feliz a=F1o tambi=E9n Mariano.<br> > <font color=3D"#888888"><br> > Miguel Cob=E1<br> > <a href=3D"http://miguel.leugim.com.mx" target=3D"_blank">http://miguel.leu= > gim.com.mx</a><br> > </font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > Pharo-project mailing list<br> > <a > href=3D"mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr">Pharo-project(a)lists.= gforge.inria.fr</a><br> <a > > href=3D"http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-proj= > ect" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinf= > o/pharo-project</a><br> > </div></div></blockquote></div><br> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Solving the documentation problem. Capturing tacit knowledge. Knowledge reuse.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

laurent my code was too little to be of any interest. Now the examples illustrating the TreeMorphTreeMorph class show one possible direction On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:55 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > The way to go is > - having browsers showing doc all the times > (like the old browser was showing the class def and the class comment) > - defining better tools to browse documentation. > I started (but did not finish) to use the new tree developed by alain to > provide a package > |> class > class comment > V method > methodcomment > method > methodcomment > |> class > class comment > |> methods > |> class > class comment > |> methods > > We need a better version of > ClassTree new openOn: Collection > > > Stef > > I have written a web based documentation browser for me here: http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleWebDoc.html (screenshots: http://picasaweb.google.com/laurent.laffont/Simplewebdoc ) and I'm currently learning morphic to do something similar in a browser. Is your code on squeaksource ? > > Happy new year ! > > Laurent Laffont > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by laurent laffont

Hi, Me too: Laurent Laffont: ArchLinux, 32 bits, web image, squeakvm 3.11-3, OB and O2 class browser Laurent 2010/1/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Ok.....I collect all the information here: > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters > > Feel free to add something else. > > The only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in holidays, I > don't know. > > The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image to > test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to each of > us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list and not > all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having them in > cc is a good idea. > > Cheers, > > M > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Miguel CobÃ¡ <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> > So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to know: >> OS, >> > VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, >> > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. >> > >> > - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, 32 >> bits >> > - Stan Shepherd >> > >> > >> > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? >> >> Me too. >> >> - Miguel CobÃ¡, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May >> 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits >> >> >> > >> > cheers and happy new year!! >> > >> >> Feliz aÃ±o tambiÃ©n Mariano. >> >> Miguel CobÃ¡ >> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Solving the documentation problem. Capturing tacit knowledge. Knowledge reuse.

by laurent laffont

> > The way to go is > - having browsers showing doc all the times > (like the old browser was showing the class def and the class > comment) > - defining better tools to browse documentation. > I started (but did not finish) to use the new tree developed by > alain to > provide a package > |> class > class comment > V method > methodcomment > method > methodcomment > |> class > class comment > |> methods > |> class > class comment > |> methods > > We need a better version of > ClassTree new openOn: Collection > > > Stef > I have written a web based documentation browser for me here: http://www.squeaksource.com/SimpleWebDoc.html (screenshots: http://picasaweb.google.com/laurent.laffont/Simplewebdoc ) and I'm currently learning morphic to do something similar in a browser. Is your code on squeaksource ? Happy new year ! Laurent Laffont

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo based "Web Velocity"

by Geert Claes

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Just wondering if anyone here knows about Cincom's WebVelocity Seaside >> based >> web development environment. > > Yes we got brain-washed :) > >> Are there any open source Pharo alternatives? > > May be Seaside-XUL or Glamour-Seaside. since Glamour browser can be > displayed in a web browser. > I imagine that in the future we may have just seaside loaded and program > in a web browser if we want. > > Yep, I am very interested into a smalltalk web app IDE for a while now. Although I really do like the concept behind WebVelocity, I have to say that I am not too keen on the tool as it is now. I also just started looking at Moose/Glamour after stumbling on it recently. In such an IDE, the project and component sharing is instrumental as it will boost innovation. Maybe Gemstone will come up with a Pharo based alternative :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-based-Web-Velocity-tp4240702p4241843.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Mariano, I don't use dev or web images. I've found the PharoCore more stable, for example now I'm fixing a dependency browser bug in the dev image #10502 (trying a dev after a long time), and clicking with the right button gives me : MessageNotUnderstood: OBTextSelection>>isMethodNode but isn't just that bug, I've never worked 30 minutes with the dev/web images without interaction bugs. I wonder what happens with Smalltalk and Pharo newcomers when these bugs appears, but there's no survey system for Pharo users so no one can't figure out anyway. Well, fortunately there are no too many public word of mouth recommendation systems yet :) Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2010/1/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Sorry, I realize something. Maybe it would be cool also if you tell us if > you use web or dev. I happens also several times that the seaside > installation, or pier or whatever are not working very well. So...it would > be cool to have both testers :) > > If you have access to the wiki, just add your self on it. If you don't have > access ask to Adrian and he will give you. Finally you can put it here and > then I put it in the wiki. > > Cheers! > > Mariano > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ok.....I collect all the information here: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters >> >> Feel free to add something else. >> >> The only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in holidays, I >> don't know. >> >> The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image to >> test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to each of >> us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list and not >> all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having them in >> cc is a good idea. >> >> Cheers, >> >> M >> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Miguel CobÃ¡ <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> > So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to know: >>> > OS, >>> > VM version, Dev or Web,Â browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, >>> > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. >>> > >>> > - Mariano Martinez Peck.Â Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app,Â Dev, OB, 32 >>> > bits >>> > - Stan Shepherd >>> > >>> > >>> > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? >>> >>> Me too. >>> >>> - Miguel CobÃ¡, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May >>> 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits >>> >>> >>> > >>> > cheers and happy new year!! >>> > >>> >>> Feliz aÃ±o tambiÃ©n Mariano. >>> >>> Miguel CobÃ¡ >>> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2010/1/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:00 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm in >> >> CMU Mach Operating System ;) >> >> nah, Windows XP (but I swear I've installed the Mach when I was 20, a >> true nightmare), 32-bit, PharoCore. >> > > > You said PharoCore but we aware that this "beta tester" list is for dev and > web packages. Ok, I'm out then :) Cheers, HernÃ¡n

Jan. 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] where can I see the slices that were removed from inbox?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > in TreatedPharoInbox > Thanks :) BTW it was http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTreatedInbox not TreatedPharoInbox but with your help I found that one :) > we never delete submissions just move them there. > > Stef > > On Dec 31, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > I need to load a slice in 1.0 which was integrated in 1.1 and removed > from PharoInbox. Where can I find it? > > > > thanks > > > > mariano > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 1, 2010