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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo based "Web Velocity"

by Geert Claes

Dale Henrichs wrote: > > Pavel, > > Yes! With Metacello taking less of my time, I will again be splitting my > time between scaling work with Seaside 3.0/2.8 and improving the tool set, > so I'm hopeful that I will make progress on my todo list instead of > watching the top climb out of sight:) > > Dale > Sounds great Dale! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-based-Web-Velocity-tp4240702p4243553.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo based "Web Velocity"

by Dale Henrichs

Pavel, Yes! With Metacello taking less of my time, I will again be splitting my time between scaling work with Seaside 3.0/2.8 and improving the tool set, so I'm hopeful that I will make progress on my todo list instead of watching the top climb out of sight:) Dale ----- "Pavel Krivanek" <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: | Hi Dale, | | is there any interest in the SeasideXUL port into Gemstone too? The | client software is Mozilla Firefox 3 or XULRunner so supported | platforms should be Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, Solaris and | OpenSolaris. | | Cheers, | -- Pavel | | On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Dale Henrichs | <dale.henrichs(a)gemstone.com> wrote: | > Geert, | > | > I will say that there is definite interest on our part to port | Moose/Glamour to GemStone. Cross platform tools are very interesting, | because they provide a smooth transition into GemStone, when the need | for GemStone arises. | > | > Dale | > ----- "Geert Claes" <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: | > | > | StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: | > | > | > | >> Just wondering if anyone here knows about Cincom's WebVelocity | > | Seaside | > | >> based | > | >> web development environment. | > | > | > | > Yes we got brain-washed :) | > | > | > | >> Â Are there any open source Pharo alternatives? | > | > | > | > May be Seaside-XUL or Glamour-Seaside. since Glamour browser can | be | > | > displayed in a web browser. | > | > I imagine that in the future we may have just seaside loaded | and | > | program | > | > in a web browser if we want. | > | > | > | > | > | | > | Yep, I am very interested into a smalltalk web app IDE for a | while | > | now. | > | Although I really do like the concept behind WebVelocity, I have | to | > | say that | > | I am not too keen on the tool as it is now. | > | | > | I also just started looking at Moose/Glamour after stumbling on | it | > | recently. | > | In such an IDE, the project and component sharing is instrumental | as | > | it will | > | boost innovation. Â Maybe Gemstone will come up with a Pharo based | > | alternative :) | > | -- | > | View this message in context: | > | | http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-based-Web-Velocity-tp4240702p4241843.html | > | Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. | > | | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Pharo-project mailing list | > | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | > | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | > | > _______________________________________________ | > Pharo-project mailing list | > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo based "Web Velocity"

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi Dale, is there any interest in the SeasideXUL port into Gemstone too? The client software is Mozilla Firefox 3 or XULRunner so supported platforms should be Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, Solaris and OpenSolaris. Cheers, -- Pavel On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs(a)gemstone.com> wrote: > Geert, > > I will say that there is definite interest on our part to port Moose/Glamour to GemStone. Cross platform tools are very interesting, because they provide a smooth transition into GemStone, when the need for GemStone arises. > > Dale > ----- "Geert Claes" <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > | StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > | > > | >> Just wondering if anyone here knows about Cincom's WebVelocity > | Seaside > | >> based > | >> web development environment. > | > > | > Yes we got brain-washed :) > | > > | >> Â Are there any open source Pharo alternatives? > | > > | > May be Seaside-XUL or Glamour-Seaside. since Glamour browser can be > | > displayed in a web browser. > | > I imagine that in the future we may have just seaside loaded and > | program > | > in a web browser if we want. > | > > | > > | > | Yep, I am very interested into a smalltalk web app IDE for a while > | now. > | Although I really do like the concept behind WebVelocity, I have to > | say that > | I am not too keen on the tool as it is now. > | > | I also just started looking at Moose/Glamour after stumbling on it > | recently. > | In such an IDE, the project and component sharing is instrumental as > | it will > | boost innovation. Â Maybe Gemstone will come up with a Pharo based > | alternative :) > | -- > | View this message in context: > | http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-based-Web-Velocity-tp4240702p4241843.html > | Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > | > | _______________________________________________ > | Pharo-project mailing list > | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo based "Web Velocity"

by Dave Mason

On 2010-Jan-2, at 2:09 , Geert Claes wrote: >>> Just wondering if anyone here knows about Cincom's WebVelocity >>> Seaside >>> based web development environment. >>> Are there any open source Pharo alternatives? >> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> May be Seaside-XUL or Glamour-Seaside. since Glamour browser can be >> displayed in a web browser. >> I imagine that in the future we may have just seaside loaded and >> program >> in a web browser if we want. On 2010-Jan-2, at 2:09 , Geert Claes wrote: > Yep, I am very interested into a smalltalk web app IDE for a while > now. > Although I really do like the concept behind WebVelocity, I have to > say that > I am not too keen on the tool as it is now. I have a new graduate student who will be working on this, but the actual work won't start for a few months. XUL and Moose/Glamour both sound like interesting base points. ../Dave

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] We need to do something, seriously!!!! [WAS] Fwd: Issue 1721: Refactoring appears to be broken in web dev image. e.g. OBClassNode(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #dynamicProtocols

by Stan Shepherd

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:07 PM, David RÃ¶thlisberger > <squeak(a)webcitas.ch>wrote: > >> I need to know which Pharo version, which browser version and which >> packages are >> loaded to reproduce and locate the problem. >> It might or might not be related to the problem we discussed, I can't >> tell >> yet. >> > > Ok, no problem. > > >> >> Cheers, >> David >> > Hi David, are you saying that you need more info from me? My report was on a pharo1.0-10502-rc1web09.12.2 freshly downloaded. ...Stan -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/We-need-to-do-something-seriously-WAS-Fwd-Issue-1721-R… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo based "Web Velocity"

by Dale Henrichs

Jan. 2, 2010

[Pharo-project] Access to RoelTyper

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. What do you think about puting global read write to the RoelTyper project in SqueakSource? Can someone do that ? If you don't want, can someone please add me as developer ? I want to move the tests to a separate package as I have just done with OCompletion. This will let people using Metacello configuration to load just the core but also the core and the tests. As it is now, the tests are always! Thanks Mariano

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Refactoring Browser depenences

by Lukas Renggli

> Thanks Lukas. I was looking at the pdf about the dependencies of OB but it > is different to what you told me at the beginning. For example, you told me: > > OB-Refactory --> Refactoring-Core, OB-Standard > OB-Regex --> Refactoring-Core, OB-Standard > > But in the pdf I see OB-Regex --> OB-Refactory > > I just need to know the DIRECT dependencies. Those classes you use, extend, > reference or whatever. If OB-Regex used directly classes from OB-Standard > for example, ok, then it is a dependency. But, if you told me OB-Standard > just because it was a dependency for OB-Refactory (and this was a dependency > for OB-Regex), then, I don't care about it. I just need to know the direct > dependencies (not also the dependencies or my dependencies haha ) I don't get what you mean, but the PDF is correct because it is created from the code. The PDF only contains direct dependencies, transitive ones are removed, only the information you need to know to load correctly. We create the Seaside loaders with this information. Lukas > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> >> Lukas >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Refactoring Browser depenences

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2009/12/28 Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> > > Another question, do you know what Refactoring-Spelling is > > Yes, I wrote it :-) > > It reactors your spell errors away :-P > > > and who > > depends on it ? > > See attached PDFs. This is what Package-Dependencies produces in a few > second: highlighted cyclic dependencies, it removes transitive > dependencies, and it creates a simple graph that carries all > information to load. > > Thanks Lukas. I was looking at the pdf about the dependencies of OB but it is different to what you told me at the beginning. For example, you told me: OB-Refactory --> Refactoring-Core, OB-Standard OB-Regex --> Refactoring-Core, OB-Standard But in the pdf I see OB-Regex --> OB-Refactory I just need to know the DIRECT dependencies. Those classes you use, extend, reference or whatever. If OB-Regex used directly classes from OB-Standard for example, ok, then it is a dependency. But, if you told me OB-Standard just because it was a dependency for OB-Refactory (and this was a dependency for OB-Regex), then, I don't care about it. I just need to know the direct dependencies (not also the dependencies or my dependencies haha ) Cheers Mariano > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 2, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Cool....we are already 13 beta testers :) More than enought :) I updated http://code.google.com/p/pharo/w/list And we almost cover all the conbinations of OS, Browser and type of image :) Cheers Mariano On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:50 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Mariano, >> I don't use dev or web images. I've found the PharoCore more stable, >> for example now I'm fixing a dependency browser bug in the dev image >> #10502 (trying a dev after a long time), and clicking with the right >> button gives me : >> >> MessageNotUnderstood: OBTextSelection>>isMethodNode >> >> > Yes, this is issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1182 > > >> but isn't just that bug, I've never worked 30 minutes with the dev/web >> images without interaction bugs. I wonder what happens with Smalltalk >> and Pharo newcomers when these bugs appears, but there's no survey >> system for Pharo users so no one can't figure out anyway. Well, >> fortunately there are no too many public word of mouth recommendation >> systems yet :) >> > > > HernÃ¡n: I agreee 100%. All of what you describe is what I said in the email > with subject "We need to do something, seriously, ..." > > And that's exactly what I proposed to do this stuff about the beta testers. > > > Cheers > > Mariano > > >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> 2010/1/1 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> > Sorry, I realize something. Maybe it would be cool also if you tell us >> if >> > you use web or dev. I happens also several times that the seaside >> > installation, or pier or whatever are not working very well. So...it >> would >> > be cool to have both testers :) >> > >> > If you have access to the wiki, just add your self on it. If you don't >> have >> > access ask to Adrian and he will give you. Finally you can put it here >> and >> > then I put it in the wiki. >> > >> > Cheers! >> > >> > Mariano >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck >> > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Ok.....I collect all the information here: >> >> >> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters >> >> >> >> Feel free to add something else. >> >> >> >> The only thing we need now is Damien's answer...maybe he is in >> holidays, I >> >> don't know. >> >> >> >> The last thing I would like to propose is that when we have a new image >> to >> >> test, not only we send the email to the mailing list but also cc to >> each of >> >> us. There is a lot of traffic (fortunately!!) in Pharo mailing list and >> not >> >> all the people here keeps truck for it every day. So, I think having >> them in >> >> cc is a good idea. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> M >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Miguel CobÃ¡ <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to >> know: >> >>> > OS, >> >>> > VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, >> >>> > I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. >> >>> > >> >>> > - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, >> 32 >> >>> > bits >> >>> > - Stan Shepherd >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? >> >>> >> >>> Me too. >> >>> >> >>> - Miguel CobÃ¡, Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze (testing), Pharo0.1 of 16 May >> >>> 2008 [latest update: #10074], Web, OB, 32 bits >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > cheers and happy new year!! >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> Feliz aÃ±o tambiÃ©n Mariano. >> >>> >> >>> Miguel CobÃ¡ >> >>> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

Jan. 2, 2010