January 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Icons for Mac users

by Mariano Martinez Peck

That's cooler, but you put a white background instead of transparency :( To convert a picture (png) for examplte to icns you can use the tool img2icns cheers 2010/1/8 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > I was playing with adding a bit of shadow so that the icon stand out. > > > > may be people with better tools can produce something better. > > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows opening/closing/focus

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, Fair enough. What do you think of the shared lookup table I posted? Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:06 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows opening/closing/focus Build something and propose it. Continue to discuss and get a group of people working on the solution. Good solution should emerge but code is important. Stef > Henry, > > Then we need to fix the weak collections. Dolphin (of the mid-90's) already had thread-safe weak collections and a high-priority process to detect and clean up "damage" to them; it's time to catch up. > > The more I think about it, your idea is sounding a lot like the dependency days of MVC - remember #release? I'm trying to forget. > > I am not trying to be confrontational, but we can and should do better than this. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of > Henrik Sperre Johansen > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:27 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows > opening/closing/focus > > On 08.01.2010 02:07, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> Henry, >> >> No argument, your solution is simpler. However, we do not have announcements like this now, and it appears that the poor state of weak collections in Squeak/Pharo is standing in the way of a clean implementation. My vote is to tackle the weaklings, at least until they work well enough to support what we should have in this case. Otherwise, we kick the weak can down the road as has been done all along rather than fixing it, AND we end up with a sub-standard announcments-based framework. >> >> Let's do it right. We will then have an evolving/improving weak collection and something in the image that puts some stress on same. If I'm missing something, please enlighten me. >> >> Bill >> > Weak collections does not stand in the way of making the use case of unregistering dynamic registrations manually easier. > They stand in the way of the use case of unregistrating registeration automatically. > > Here's what you're missing: > No matter how you implement the automatic unregistering, it will be nondetermenistic, for the exact same reasons finalization is nondeterministic. > Thus, if you require deterministic unregistration, you have to do it manually, and the use case of making that easier to do have value in its own right. > > Cheers, > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters

by Gary Chambers

For reference, a similar situation with "automagic" SystemWindow stuff... |main| main := SystemWindow new model: 1. "any object here for this example, otherwise the paneColor comes from first pane morph" left := Morph new minWidth: 30. right := Morph new minWidth: 60. main addMorph: left frame: (0@0 corner: 0.5@1); addMorph: right frame: (0.5@0 corner: 1@1); extent: 200@150. main openAsIs Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters > > Gary, > > That is exactly what I am trying to do. THANKS!!!!!!! > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gary > Chambers > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:58 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters > > Directly within a System window or added programatically in some submorph? > If directly it should happen automatically. > > Otherwise try something like this... > > > |leftWidth left right main| > leftWidth := 100. > left := Morph new color: Color yellow. > right := Morph new color: Color green. > main := BorderedMorph new > changeProportionalLayout; > addMorph: left > fullFrame: (LayoutFrame > fractions: (0@0 corner: 0@1) > offsets: (0@0 corner: leftWidth - (ProportionalSplitterMorph > splitterWidth // 2) @ 0)); > addMorph: right > fullFrame: (LayoutFrame > fractions: (0@0 corner: 1@1) > offsets: (ProportionalSplitterMorph splitterWidth // 2 + leftWidth@0 > corner: 0@0)); > addPaneVSplitterBetween: left and: {right}; > extent: 200@150. > main splitters last > addLeftOrTop: left; > addRightOrBottom: right. > main openInWindow > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters > > >> Gary, >> >> Can you think of a good example of two panes side by side (or one above >> the other) with a splitter between them? So far, I can't find one that >> I've been able to follow. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gary >> Chambers >> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:31 AM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters >> >> Bill, >> >> splitters are added automatically for SystemWindow panes. Polymorph does >> fix the previously erratic behaviour of splitters for SystemWindows, >> though problems still remain in the general BorderedMorph cases. >> Splitters are based around the ProportionalLayout specifications for a >> Morph so particularly unusual layouts have the potential to mess up, >> though not seen any bad cases myself. >> >> While possible to add ProportionalSplitterMorphs manually, it is a little >> fiddly. >> >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:54 PM >> Subject: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters >> >> >>> Gary, >>> >>> I have a couple of Polymorph based tools (essentially very specialized >>> inspectors for specific data sets), and I would like to get splitters >>> working. So far, I'm getting clobbered. I found some splitter-adding >>> methods in SystemWindow, but I am not clear on whether they are intended >>> for general use?? >>> >>> The browser I am using has working horizontal splitter, but the vertical >>> ones stopped working a couple of versions back, so that might not be the >>> best example to follow. I have not been able to find where the basic >>> inspector creates its spliter. >>> >>> Any enlightenment or places to start browser would be appreciated. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Metacello configurations for Pharo.

by Alexandre Bergel

> By all means add your configuration to MetacelloRepository. I added the one for which I am involved. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: about ConfigurationOfXXX

by Fernando olivero

Thanks for the info Mariano and Dale, I understand more now after reading what Metacello is. I think this info should be posted on the squeaksource of Metacello Configurations web page. Thanks, Fernando On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote: > > ----- "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > | > Because it seems to me that now we just cut and paste from > | previous ones. > | > Maybe a super class ConfigurationOfPackages could be created? > | > > | > > | Yes, you have to copy from the class MetacelloConfigTemplate > | > | Yes, we discussed about having a superclass. The problem is where is > | that > | class? It should be in the "core" of Pharo, Squeak, Gemstone. See > | this > | thread: > | > | http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_thread/thread/c056f4e44e452… > > Btw, I do a class copy of MetacelloConfigTemplate rather than copy and paste methods:) > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Gary, That is exactly what I am trying to do. THANKS!!!!!!! Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gary Chambers Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:58 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters Directly within a System window or added programatically in some submorph? If directly it should happen automatically. Otherwise try something like this... |leftWidth left right main| leftWidth := 100. left := Morph new color: Color yellow. right := Morph new color: Color green. main := BorderedMorph new changeProportionalLayout; addMorph: left fullFrame: (LayoutFrame fractions: (0@0 corner: 0@1) offsets: (0@0 corner: leftWidth - (ProportionalSplitterMorph splitterWidth // 2) @ 0)); addMorph: right fullFrame: (LayoutFrame fractions: (0@0 corner: 1@1) offsets: (ProportionalSplitterMorph splitterWidth // 2 + leftWidth@0 corner: 0@0)); addPaneVSplitterBetween: left and: {right}; extent: 200@150. main splitters last addLeftOrTop: left; addRightOrBottom: right. main openInWindow Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters > Gary, > > Can you think of a good example of two panes side by side (or one above > the other) with a splitter between them? So far, I can't find one that > I've been able to follow. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gary > Chambers > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:31 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters > > Bill, > > splitters are added automatically for SystemWindow panes. Polymorph does > fix the previously erratic behaviour of splitters for SystemWindows, > though problems still remain in the general BorderedMorph cases. > Splitters are based around the ProportionalLayout specifications for a > Morph so particularly unusual layouts have the potential to mess up, > though not seen any bad cases myself. > > While possible to add ProportionalSplitterMorphs manually, it is a little > fiddly. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:54 PM > Subject: [Pharo-project] Stumped on splitters > > >> Gary, >> >> I have a couple of Polymorph based tools (essentially very specialized >> inspectors for specific data sets), and I would like to get splitters >> working. So far, I'm getting clobbered. I found some splitter-adding >> methods in SystemWindow, but I am not clear on whether they are intended >> for general use?? >> >> The browser I am using has working horizontal splitter, but the vertical >> ones stopped working a couple of versions back, so that might not be the >> best example to follow. I have not been able to find where the basic >> inspector creates its spliter. >> >> Any enlightenment or places to start browser would be appreciated. >> >> Bill >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: about ConfigurationOfXXX

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs(a)gemstone.com>wrote: > > ----- "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > | > Because it seems to me that now we just cut and paste from > | previous ones. > | > Maybe a super class ConfigurationOfPackages could be created? > | > > | > > | Yes, you have to copy from the class MetacelloConfigTemplate > | > | Yes, we discussed about having a superclass. The problem is where is > | that > | class? It should be in the "core" of Pharo, Squeak, Gemstone. See > | this > | thread: > | > | > http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_thread/thread/c056f4e44e452… > > Btw, I do a class copy of MetacelloConfigTemplate rather than copy and > paste methods:) > Yes, me too. Sorry if I express my self wrong. > > Dale >

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: about ConfigurationOfXXX

by Dale Henrichs

----- "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: | > Because it seems to me that now we just cut and paste from | previous ones. | > Maybe a super class ConfigurationOfPackages could be created? | > | > | Yes, you have to copy from the class MetacelloConfigTemplate | | Yes, we discussed about having a superclass. The problem is where is | that | class? It should be in the "core" of Pharo, Squeak, Gemstone. See | this | thread: | | http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_thread/thread/c056f4e44e452… Btw, I do a class copy of MetacelloConfigTemplate rather than copy and paste methods:) Dale

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] about ConfigurationOfXXX

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Fernando olivero <oliverof(a)lu.unisi.ch>wrote: > Hi, i wanted to know if there's documentation on the ConfigurationOfXXX > classes. > > Hi Fernando. This is part of the Metacello project. You can read the tutorial here: http://code.google.com/p/metacello/wiki/Tutorial I recommend you the image based one. There is also a group for Metacello: http://groups.google.com/group/metacello > Because it seems to me that now we just cut and paste from previous ones. > Maybe a super class ConfigurationOfPackages could be created? > > Yes, you have to copy from the class MetacelloConfigTemplate Yes, we discussed about having a superclass. The problem is where is that class? It should be in the "core" of Pharo, Squeak, Gemstone. See this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_thread/thread/c056f4e44e452… > Could someone please ilustrate the usage and examples , and maybe put it on > the Pharo Web Page. Specially because it seems to be the standard way of > loading monticello projects now. > > Not yet. We are in a "testing moment". If we completely decide to go with Metacello maybe we can add something in Pharo Website. Maybe others think we should add something now....I don't know > Thanks! > Fernando > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Printing???

by Gary Chambers

We have had reasonable success with PostScript output (PostScriptCanvas in Squeak) and a heavily modified/fixed SPDF. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rueger" <m.rueger(a)acm.org> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Printing??? > On 1/8/2010 6:45 PM, Chris Cunningham wrote: > >> I've used it fairly successfully in the past, although I find that you >> definitely need the form to be in the deepest display depth (32) to >> get the coloring right (or even black and white, for that matter). > > But you need a form with the resolution you want to print in. > > Which for a full page creates a huge amount of data and is almost always > the wrong resolution for a particular printer anyways. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010