January 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Full Screen Margin Settings

by Gary Chambers

I'll leave it to you then. BTW, nice job with the settings browser. When I get a chance to put in the last Polymorph fixes it should help with the drop-lists etc... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alain Plantec" <alain.plantec(a)free.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Full Screen Margin Settings Gary Chambers a Ã©crit : > Alain, any chance of changing the range for Full screen margin in > settings to start at -5? Hi Gary, No problem, its ok for me. Alain > That would really maxmise space by putting the window borders outside > the World (and avoiding inadvertent resizing on maximised windows). > > Regards, Gary > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About my recursive blues :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Magic The Gathering... guess we'll be losing you for some time ;-) (it is > rather compelling). I used to play for fun every lunch. This is how I improved part of my english (swamps, plague, lightning bolt, power blast, summoning, haste ....) totally unless in my job but quite rich. During years I was waiting that they read english well enough (because at one point they did know know how to read even french and they were just learning the card by heart - crazy kids - and frankly I'm lost with the frnech translation and terms). We are playing the WorldChampionship decks (some of them are really cool). I really like this game. There are so many combinations. :) Stef

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Problems with Strike fonts

by Alain Plantec

StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > are you suggesting that we load your DejaVu package in pharodev? > I suggested to test with them because all sizes have their own derivative font (bold and italic at least). So maybe the problem reported by Mariano would be fixed. and why not loading them in pharodev if they are ok. Alain > On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Alain Plantec wrote: > > >> Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : >> >>> Thanks Henrik. However, I tried what you told me and still is ugly :( >>> >> maybe you could try with the dejavu from www.squeaksource.com/DejaVu >> Alain >> >>> Any idea? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mariano >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > >

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] GUI how to screencast available

by Gary Chambers

Very nice... just shows how quick things can be with Pharo... Might be nice to do another, leveraging Polymorph helpers for something more complex but just as easy ;-) Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: laurent laffont To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-sourceSmalltalk Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] GUI how to screencast available Hi, as I'm beginning to understand how to write a GUI in Pharo, I've made a screencast to show basic layout techniques with panels and buttons: http://vimeo.com/8619593 (or on my blog :) with source code http://magaloma.blogspot.com/2010/01/gui-et-pharo.html ) It seems that several people have or plan to record screencasts on Pharo. If you can send me links, I can put all of them on a single blog. For example http://pharocasts.org ;). Cheers, Laurent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Interim build server update

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

yeap I'm quite good at integrating fixes that break tests :) Stef On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > Simon thanks for looking. > > next steps: > -bullet proof it > -export error log files > -hudson > -host on community server > -developers use results to FIX BUGS QUICKLY > > nice to have: > -certainly a fancy history web interface > -stats, etc > > however i must shout about fixing bugs, because surely the most > beautiful test result page is one that is blank! seriously, we need > as a community to get new bugs fixed early. to me that is the whole > point. > > thanks, > Mike > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:25 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Now that the log file on failure is appened to the previous log >> I think that we should pay attention or explicitly have the possibility to write a fresh one. >> Because we can have a problem: I got some 5 mb log file. >> > > Stef - yes, next I am integrating a specific error file per build > report. should solve the problem. we will have to see in practice. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11143

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

cool Marcus this afternoon with finished the removal of Project isolation layers so we will be able to clean ChangeSet (isolation layer cat) Project a bit more :) over the week end when the house got fixed a bit more and the project is published I want to have a look at fileStream speed improvement Stef On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > Issue 1759: lost methods after 11140 > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows opening/closing/focus

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Alexandre as soon as we will got the names right publish, add a bug tracker item and this will be integrated now about the names Closing or Closed? Collapsed? WindowMoved? what is the convention? when the event happens at the end I would prefer ed when it occurs over a long action ing any english-oriented/design remarks? ? > > Alexandre > > > <Picture 3.png> > > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 08:57, Henrik Johansen wrote: > >> On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:56 18AM, Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> Looks ok to me. >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows opening/closing/focus >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> In the PharoTaskForces SqueakSource repository I committed a new >>>>> version of Morphic (Morphic-Alexandre_Bergel.393). This version >>>>> includes the window announcement I have been working on for few months >>>>> already. >>>>> >>>>> Here is an example of a unit test. >>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> MorphicWindowNotificationTest>>testWindowCreationAndDeletion >>>>> >>>>> | t window newWindowCreated r | >>>>> t := 0. >>>>> World announcer on: MorphicCreationWindowAnnouncement do: [:ann | >>>>> t := t + 1. newWindowCreated := ann window]. >>>>> World announcer on: MorphicClosingWindowAnnouncement do: [:ann | t := >>>>> t + 10. newWindowCreated := ann window]. >> I don't particularly like the naming. >> >> - Why including Announcement at the end? >> - Why does one contain a verb, and the other a >> - When are they fired? Closing implies to me it's not been closed yet, but fired somewhere after the closing has started, while CreationWindow I have no idea what means. >> >> MorphicWindowOpen(ed/ing) >> MorphicWindowClos(ed/ing) >> >> are both easier to read for me, shorter, and more in line with the naming convention for Pragma announcements already in Pharo. >> >> Cheers, >> Henry >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows opening/closing/focus

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I'm dull on this kind of topics ;) and this is why I listen and try to understand from the discussion. I learned a lot this year already on a lot of topics (float, complex....) stef On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > Fair enough. What do you think of the shared lookup table I posted? > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:06 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows opening/closing/focus > > Build something and propose it. > Continue to discuss and get a group of people working on the solution. > Good solution should emerge but code is important. > > Stef > >> Henry, >> >> Then we need to fix the weak collections. Dolphin (of the mid-90's) already had thread-safe weak collections and a high-priority process to detect and clean up "damage" to them; it's time to catch up. >> >> The more I think about it, your idea is sounding a lot like the dependency days of MVC - remember #release? I'm trying to forget. >> >> I am not trying to be confrontational, but we can and should do better than this. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of >> Henrik Sperre Johansen >> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:27 PM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Notifications of windows >> opening/closing/focus >> >> On 08.01.2010 02:07, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> Henry, >>> >>> No argument, your solution is simpler. However, we do not have announcements like this now, and it appears that the poor state of weak collections in Squeak/Pharo is standing in the way of a clean implementation. My vote is to tackle the weaklings, at least until they work well enough to support what we should have in this case. Otherwise, we kick the weak can down the road as has been done all along rather than fixing it, AND we end up with a sub-standard announcments-based framework. >>> >>> Let's do it right. We will then have an evolving/improving weak collection and something in the image that puts some stress on same. If I'm missing something, please enlighten me. >>> >>> Bill >>> >> Weak collections does not stand in the way of making the use case of unregistering dynamic registrations manually easier. >> They stand in the way of the use case of unregistrating registeration automatically. >> >> Here's what you're missing: >> No matter how you implement the automatic unregistering, it will be nondetermenistic, for the exact same reasons finalization is nondeterministic. >> Thus, if you require deterministic unregistration, you have to do it manually, and the use case of making that easier to do have value in its own right. >> >> Cheers, >> Henry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Full Screen Margin Settings

by Alain Plantec

Gary Chambers a Ã©crit : > Alain, any chance of changing the range for Full screen margin in > settings to start at -5? Hi Gary, No problem, its ok for me. Alain > That would really maxmise space by putting the window borders outside > the World (and avoiding inadvertent resizing on maximised windows). > > Regards, Gary > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Problems saving the image on SIGTERM

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

good I like to see you working on that. I should get some times over the week-end to publish coral 0.1 :) Stef On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Damien Pollet wrote: > Hi, > > Chaff is a tiny class to intercept the SIGTERM signal and save the > image http://www.squeaksource.com/Chaff.html > > Several problems: > > - OSProcess accessor forwardSigTern will only work once. Once the VM > has registered a handler for a given signal, it can't clean it up or > register another semaphore, until the image restarts. > > - If I have a process waiting on the semaphore, but the image quits > for a different reason, I guess when it restarts, the process will > still be there but the semaphore will be invalidâ¦ what's a good way to > handle that ? > > - OSProcess does not seem to be able to register signal handlers at > all on the Cocoa VM (5.2b9) > > Cheers, > -- > Damien Pollet > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 8, 2010