January 2010 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Now for pharo people could ressurect the GTK port done by gwenael. Or pay for that. Stef On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:40 AM, Stephen Taylor wrote: > Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> Dolphin is better than that<g> > > I've put my money where my mouth is with Dolphin - I think I've bought > every product they've ever released, just to give them a hand - despite > the fact that I've still got a Dolphin version4 image on the go! > > >> The feature you are describing is what they call an idea space, and it is probably my least favorite features of Dolphin. > > And one of my favourites! If only everyone agreed with me all the time... > > >> Bill > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Alien plugin? Status of VMMaker

by John M McIntosh

My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise: "add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'. IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Documen… I note Balloon 3D might be optional. Install Balloon 3D via the SqueakMap package Loader, Install FFI & Klatt via MC MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Ladrillos ' user: '' password: '' install FFI via FFI-Kernel-ar.7 and install KLATT via Speech-Klatt-edc.1 Install VMMaker-dtl.120 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker ' user: '' password: '' Install Alien-VMMaker-Support-John M McIntosh.6 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien ' user: '' password: '' On 2010-01-10, at 7:31 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo? > > I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin. > > Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :) > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development

by Benoit St-Jean

Well, the IdeaSpace rocks! :) See, you're not alone! ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) ________________________________ From: Stephen Taylor <stephen.taylor(a)bom.gov.au> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 8:40:15 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Dolphin is better than that<g> I've put my money where my mouth is with Dolphin - I think I've bought every product they've ever released, just to give them a hand - despite the fact that I've still got a Dolphin version4 image on the go! > The feature you are describing is what they call an idea space, and it is probably my least favorite features of Dolphin. And one of my favourites! If only everyone agreed with me all the time... > Bill Steve _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet ExplorerÂ® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Alien plugin? Status of VMMaker

by Levente Uzonyi

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo? > > I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin. > > Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :) Building a vm with alien support is probably harder than writing a openssl plugin. :) Levente > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 11, 2010

[Pharo-project] Alien plugin? Status of VMMaker

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo? I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin. Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :) Bill

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

In short, the same story as me, but I have a better excuse :) It would be unwise for me to move to 6 only to promptly dump Windows. There are sabres rattling in the distance, and I'm not sure what will happen first. There are scenarios under which I might move to D6, but most of that could be avoided by a hybrid Pharo/Dolphin system, which is more in keeping with my plans to kick MS to the curb. Part of me wishes I could just take the mac plunge, but Linux is a better fit for embedded devices that are of interest. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stephen Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:44 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Steve, > > I'm confused: how is a D4 guy an idea space fan??? The key word is laziness - not the good sort of laziness that programmers are supposed to have, along with hubris, etc, but the bad sort you're supposed to shake yourself out of. I've bought the various new Dolphin products, admired their niftyness, then gone back to my working image, thinking "must move this over when I've got a minute..." It's a terrible confession, but there you have it :) > Bill Steve _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development

by Stephen Taylor

Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Steve, > > I'm confused: how is a D4 guy an idea space fan??? The key word is laziness - not the good sort of laziness that programmers are supposed to have, along with hubris, etc, but the bad sort you're supposed to shake yourself out of. I've bought the various new Dolphin products, admired their niftyness, then gone back to my working image, thinking "must move this over when I've got a minute..." It's a terrible confession, but there you have it :) > Bill Steve

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Steve, I'm confused: how is a D4 guy an idea space fan??? Speaking of old images, I have 5.1 in gainful use. Moving to 6 was problematic, so aside from buying it (for the reason you mention), I never made the switch. I _think_ the problems I had have since been identified and understood, but there's that MS tentacle to consider. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stephen Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:40 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Dolphin is better than that<g> I've put my money where my mouth is with Dolphin - I think I've bought every product they've ever released, just to give them a hand - despite the fact that I've still got a Dolphin version4 image on the go! > The feature you are describing is what they call an idea space, and it is probably my least favorite features of Dolphin. And one of my favourites! If only everyone agreed with me all the time... > Bill Steve _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] System -> About in Dev images

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El dom, 10-01-2010 a las 23:34 +0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribiÃ³: > > > > yes I think it is too complicated a version scheme. The dev > tag is > also synonymous with Pharo. > > so if your Pharo image is currently > Pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1 > I would call it Pharo-1.0-10505-rc1. This is the same scheme > that the > > The is Pharo-1.0-10505-rc1 or it should be Pharo-1.0-10505rc1 (note > the - between 10505 and rc1). > I ask because the PharoCore 10502 was released as > PharoCore-1.0-10502rc1. > I can ask Adrian so that the next PharoCore 1.0 be like: > Pharo-1.0-10XXX-rc2 > I vote for having the tokens separated by "-", so: Pharo-1.0-10505-rc1 Also, the original proposal for the name format is here: http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-name-format-tp3365418p3365418.html Cheers > I know...it is a little detail.but...jhhahahha > > > core image uses, and Pharo 1.1 will have this behaviour > already using > #imageVersionString since it is in 1.1. > > thanks, > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo for Professional Development

by Stephen Taylor

Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Dolphin is better than that<g> I've put my money where my mouth is with Dolphin - I think I've bought every product they've ever released, just to give them a hand - despite the fact that I've still got a Dolphin version4 image on the go! > The feature you are describing is what they call an idea space, and it is probably my least favorite features of Dolphin. And one of my favourites! If only everyone agreed with me all the time... > Bill Steve

Jan. 11, 2010