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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] WorkingSet

by Romain Robbes

> > It adapts to the code you change. If you modify a method or a class, it will show up in the list. > > > I would be cool also, to see the classes that you browsed, not only modified. I mean, at least sometimes, I am much more time browsing that coding :( > But I don't know how if this a good idea or not. > It is a good idea, but it's more difficult to get that information, so for now it's changes only. Stay tuned :-) Romain -- Romain Robbes http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] WorkingSet

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Romain Robbes <romain.robbes(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Lukas, thanks for the feedback! > > I'll look in the issues you mentioned. I'll comment on these: > > > - When opening classes/users/siblings they show up in the wrong > > > browser, e.g. not the one I configured. > > That's strange, since I use Toolset for these queries. Should I use > something else? > > > - I always have the same working set: WorkingSetMorph and a few > > methods within that. I have no idea how to change that. > > It adapts to the code you change. If you modify a method or a class, it > will show up in the list. > > I would be cool also, to see the classes that you browsed, not only modified. I mean, at least sometimes, I am much more time browsing that coding :( But I don't know how if this a good idea or not. > > > > Anyway, I really like the tool. I suspect that I could get used to it :-) > > > > Lukas > > > > > >> > >> 2010/1/11 Romain Robbes <romain.robbes(a)gmail.com>: > >>> > >>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >>> > >>> Wow!!! I don't know what you said. I have been playing 10 minutes since > you > >>> sent the email and it is really EXCELLENT!!!! > >>> > >>> I love it. > >>> > >>> Please +999999999999999^^999999 to put them in PharoDev image :) > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks for the feedback! > >>> > >>> A little "bug" I found is that in the text field, when you put a class, > and > >>> OCompletion brings the popup, you HAVE to use TAB, not enter. I am use > to > >>> use enter key. But the problem in this case is that the one who > captures the > >>> even is WorkingSet, not OCompletion, so the classbrowser is shown with > that > >>> class, but the OCompletion popup is still alive. > >>> > >>> > >>> Hum, that's strange ... I'll look into it. Normally once you're in the > text > >>> field, the text field has focus, not the WorkingSet. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot for this tool. > >>> > >>> I'm just scratching my own itch :-) > >>> Cheers, > >>> Romain > >>> > >>> Mariano > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Romain Robbes < > romain.robbes(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear list, > >>>> > >>>> I've been working on a small tool to help people navigate their code > in > >>>> Pharo. > >>>> WorkingSet tracks the entities you've changed recently, and lets you > >>>> access them quickly. > >>>> > >>>> Load WorkingSet with: > >>>> Gofer new > >>>> squeaksource: 'WorkingSet'; > >>>> package: 'WorkingSet'; > >>>> load. > >>>> > >>>> Once loaded, press CMD-1 to activate or dismiss it. A User interface > pops > >>>> up, with the following key mappings: > >>>> -H to get this help message. > >>>> -1-9 to select a recently changed class or method (depending on which > list > >>>> is highlighted). > >>>> -TAB to select methods, or the text field. > >>>> -Left/Right arrow keys to select classes, methods, or text field. > >>>> -Up/Down arrow keys to select an item in the list of classes or > methods. > >>>> -ENTER in the text field to navigate to the entity you typed. > >>>> -ENTER or SPACE in a class or method list to select the selected item. > >>>> -U to browse the users of an entity (methods: senders, classes: > >>>> references). > >>>> -S to browse the siblings of an entity (methods: implementors, > classes: > >>>> hierarchy). > >>>> -K to close all windows opened by WorkingSet. > >>>> -L & R to shift the WorkingSet window left or right. (in case you use > >>>> several screens). > >>>> -ESC or CMD-1 to dismiss WorkingSet. > >>>> > >>>> The text field allows you to enter classes and methods which are not > >>>> present in your working > >>>> set. You can enter multiple classes/methods at once by separating them > >>>> with spaces. > >>>> > >>>> Enjoy! > >>>> Romain > >>>> -- > >>>> Romain Robbes > >>>> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Romain Robbes > >>> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Lukas Renggli > >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Lukas Renggli > > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Romain Robbes > http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] WorkingSet

by Romain Robbes

Hi Lukas, thanks for the feedback! I'll look in the issues you mentioned. I'll comment on these: > - When opening classes/users/siblings they show up in the wrong > browser, e.g. not the one I configured. That's strange, since I use Toolset for these queries. Should I use something else? > - I always have the same working set: WorkingSetMorph and a few > methods within that. I have no idea how to change that. It adapts to the code you change. If you modify a method or a class, it will show up in the list. > > Anyway, I really like the tool. I suspect that I could get used to it :-) > > Lukas > > >> >> 2010/1/11 Romain Robbes <romain.robbes(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >>> Wow!!! I don't know what you said. I have been playing 10 minutes since you >>> sent the email and it is really EXCELLENT!!!! >>> >>> I love it. >>> >>> Please +999999999999999^^999999 to put them in PharoDev image :) >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the feedback! >>> >>> A little "bug" I found is that in the text field, when you put a class, and >>> OCompletion brings the popup, you HAVE to use TAB, not enter. I am use to >>> use enter key. But the problem in this case is that the one who captures the >>> even is WorkingSet, not OCompletion, so the classbrowser is shown with that >>> class, but the OCompletion popup is still alive. >>> >>> >>> Hum, that's strange ... I'll look into it. Normally once you're in the text >>> field, the text field has focus, not the WorkingSet. >>> >>> >>> Thanks a lot for this tool. >>> >>> I'm just scratching my own itch :-) >>> Cheers, >>> Romain >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Romain Robbes <romain.robbes(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear list, >>>> >>>> I've been working on a small tool to help people navigate their code in >>>> Pharo. >>>> WorkingSet tracks the entities you've changed recently, and lets you >>>> access them quickly. >>>> >>>> Load WorkingSet with: >>>> Gofer new >>>> squeaksource: 'WorkingSet'; >>>> package: 'WorkingSet'; >>>> load. >>>> >>>> Once loaded, press CMD-1 to activate or dismiss it. A User interface pops >>>> up, with the following key mappings: >>>> -H to get this help message. >>>> -1-9 to select a recently changed class or method (depending on which list >>>> is highlighted). >>>> -TAB to select methods, or the text field. >>>> -Left/Right arrow keys to select classes, methods, or text field. >>>> -Up/Down arrow keys to select an item in the list of classes or methods. >>>> -ENTER in the text field to navigate to the entity you typed. >>>> -ENTER or SPACE in a class or method list to select the selected item. >>>> -U to browse the users of an entity (methods: senders, classes: >>>> references). >>>> -S to browse the siblings of an entity (methods: implementors, classes: >>>> hierarchy). >>>> -K to close all windows opened by WorkingSet. >>>> -L & R to shift the WorkingSet window left or right. (in case you use >>>> several screens). >>>> -ESC or CMD-1 to dismiss WorkingSet. >>>> >>>> The text field allows you to enter classes and methods which are not >>>> present in your working >>>> set. You can enter multiple classes/methods at once by separating them >>>> with spaces. >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> Romain >>>> -- >>>> Romain Robbes >>>> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> Romain Robbes >>> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Romain Robbes http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] WorkingSet

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

I myself think the usefulness of it deserves to have a chapter mentioning it in a forthcoming version of Pharo By Example! -- Cesar Rabak Em 11/01/2010 17:11, Lukas Renggli < renggli(a)gmail.com > escreveu: Sorry, I did not intend to send out this mail quite yet. I messed up :-) Anyway here are a few more issues: - When opening classes/users/siblings they show up in the wrong browser, e.g. not the one I configured. - I always have the same working set: WorkingSetMorph and a few methods within that. I have no idea how to change that. - It would be cool if changing the focus would already select the first item of the list. Anyway, I really like the tool. I suspect that I could get used to it :-) Lukas > > 2010/1/11 Romain Robbes : >> >> On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> Wow!!! I don't know what you said. I have been playing 10 minutes since you >> sent the email and it is really EXCELLENT!!!! >> >> I love it. >> >> Please +999999999999999^^999999Â Â to put them in PharoDev image :) >> >> >> Thanks for the feedback! >> >> A little "bug" I found is that in the text field, when you put a class, and >> OCompletion brings the popup, you HAVE to use TAB, not enter. I am use to >> use enter key. But the problem in this case is that the one who captures the >> even is WorkingSet, not OCompletion, so the classbrowser is shown with that >> class, but the OCompletion popup is still alive. >> >> >> Hum, that's strange ... I'll look into it. Normally once you're in the text >> field, the text field has focus, not the WorkingSet. >> >> >> Thanks a lot for this tool. >> >> I'm just scratching my own itch :-) >> Cheers, >> Romain >> >> Mariano >> >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Romain Robbes >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear list, >>> >>> I've been working on a small tool to help people navigate their code in >>> Pharo. >>> WorkingSet tracks the entities you've changed recently, and lets you >>> access them quickly. >>> >>> Load WorkingSet with: >>> Gofer new >>> Â squeaksource: 'WorkingSet'; >>> Â package: 'WorkingSet'; >>> Â load. >>> >>> Once loaded, press CMD-1 to activate or dismiss it. A User interface pops >>> up, with the following key mappings: >>> -H to get this help message. >>> -1-9 to select a recently changed class or method (depending on which list >>> is highlighted). >>> -TAB to select methods, or the text field. >>> -Left/Right arrow keys to select classes, methods, or text field. >>> -Up/Down arrow keys to select an item in the list of classes or methods. >>> -ENTER in the text field to navigate to the entity you typed. >>> -ENTER or SPACE in a class or method list to select the selected item. >>> -U to browse the users of an entity (methods: senders, classes: >>> references). >>> -S to browse the siblings of an entity (methods: implementors, classes: >>> hierarchy). >>> -K to close all windows opened by WorkingSet. >>> -L & R to shift the WorkingSet window left or right. (in case you use >>> several screens). >>> -ESC or CMD-1 to dismiss WorkingSet. >>> >>> The text field allows you to enter classes and methods which are not >>> present in your working >>> set. You can enter multiple classes/methods at once by separating them >>> with spaces. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> Â Â Â Â Romain >>> -- >>> Romain Robbes >>> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Romain Robbes >> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Object Buffer (implementation tryout)

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

On this line of reasoning, in Windows there used to exist a small utility called "Clipboard Viewer" that allowed the OS clipboard to be inspected and some of the 'things' (to avoid the clash with Objects from OOA/OOD/OOP) could be 'seen' in more than a single way. -- Cesar Rabak Em 11/01/2010 16:18, Gary Chambers < gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com > escreveu: Perhaps a unified clipboard would be nicer... objects or text (or, potentially converible to host OS things...). A similiar approach has worked well for our ReportBuilder (guess what, it is called ObjectClipboard...). Nothing especially special about an object, just another kind of thing that can be pasted where allowed... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Bergel" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Object Buffer (implementation tryout) Maybe you can also add shortcuts: Shift-Cmd-c, Shift-Cmd-v Alexandre On 11 Jan 2010, at 14:45, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler wrote: > Here is the screenshot... > > ps: there is a small bug for explorer in the version I sent. I fixed > it but don't send yet > -- > CÃ©drick > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Object Buffer (implementation tryout) -- about keyboard shortcuts

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

May I suggest that instead of having new tools assigned shortcuts hard coded we go after some solution to have them configurable? my 0.019999.... -- Cesar Rabak Em 11/01/2010 15:56, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> escreveu: Maybe you can also add shortcuts: Shift-Cmd-c, Shift-Cmd-v Alexandre On 11 Jan 2010, at 14:45, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler wrote: > Here is the screenshot... > > ps: there is a small bug for explorer in the version I sent. I fixed > it but don't send yet > -- > CÃ©drick > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] TestRunner author while running tests

by Lukas Renggli

> As Lukas suggests, instead fixing the offending tests is also a > possible solution. If possible, though, I would prefer a generic > solution. I think forcing authors to make sure that their tests run cleanly would be a better solution than to introduce a lot of infrastructure to handle sloppy written tests. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] WorkingSet

by Lukas Renggli

Sorry, I did not intend to send out this mail quite yet. I messed up :-) Anyway here are a few more issues: - When opening classes/users/siblings they show up in the wrong browser, e.g. not the one I configured. - I always have the same working set: WorkingSetMorph and a few methods within that. I have no idea how to change that. - It would be cool if changing the focus would already select the first item of the list. Anyway, I really like the tool. I suspect that I could get used to it :-) Lukas > > 2010/1/11 Romain Robbes <romain.robbes(a)gmail.com>: >> >> On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> Wow!!! I don't know what you said. I have been playing 10 minutes since you >> sent the email and it is really EXCELLENT!!!! >> >> I love it. >> >> Please +999999999999999^^999999Â Â to put them in PharoDev image :) >> >> >> Thanks for the feedback! >> >> A little "bug" I found is that in the text field, when you put a class, and >> OCompletion brings the popup, you HAVE to use TAB, not enter. I am use to >> use enter key. But the problem in this case is that the one who captures the >> even is WorkingSet, not OCompletion, so the classbrowser is shown with that >> class, but the OCompletion popup is still alive. >> >> >> Hum, that's strange ... I'll look into it. Normally once you're in the text >> field, the text field has focus, not the WorkingSet. >> >> >> Thanks a lot for this tool. >> >> I'm just scratching my own itch :-) >> Cheers, >> Romain >> >> Mariano >> >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Romain Robbes <romain.robbes(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear list, >>> >>> I've been working on a small tool to help people navigate their code in >>> Pharo. >>> WorkingSet tracks the entities you've changed recently, and lets you >>> access them quickly. >>> >>> Load WorkingSet with: >>> Gofer new >>> Â squeaksource: 'WorkingSet'; >>> Â package: 'WorkingSet'; >>> Â load. >>> >>> Once loaded, press CMD-1 to activate or dismiss it. A User interface pops >>> up, with the following key mappings: >>> -H to get this help message. >>> -1-9 to select a recently changed class or method (depending on which list >>> is highlighted). >>> -TAB to select methods, or the text field. >>> -Left/Right arrow keys to select classes, methods, or text field. >>> -Up/Down arrow keys to select an item in the list of classes or methods. >>> -ENTER in the text field to navigate to the entity you typed. >>> -ENTER or SPACE in a class or method list to select the selected item. >>> -U to browse the users of an entity (methods: senders, classes: >>> references). >>> -S to browse the siblings of an entity (methods: implementors, classes: >>> hierarchy). >>> -K to close all windows opened by WorkingSet. >>> -L & R to shift the WorkingSet window left or right. (in case you use >>> several screens). >>> -ESC or CMD-1 to dismiss WorkingSet. >>> >>> The text field allows you to enter classes and methods which are not >>> present in your working >>> set. You can enter multiple classes/methods at once by separating them >>> with spaces. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> Â Â Â Â Romain >>> -- >>> Romain Robbes >>> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Romain Robbes >> http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1778 Stef On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez wrote: >> >> MCFileBasedRepository flushAllCaches. >> MCDefinition clearInstances. >> Smalltalk removeEmptyMessageCategories. >> Utilities cleanseOtherworldlySteppers. >> Undeclared removeUnreferencedKeys. >> Categorizer sortAllCategories. >> Symbol compactSymbolTable. >> Smalltalk at: #ReleaseBuilderDeveloper ifPresent: [:builder | >> builder new fixObsoleteReferences]. >> RequiredSelectors initialize. >> ProvidedSelectors initialize. >> LocalSends initialize. >> Smalltalk organization removeEmptyCategories. >> SystemBrowser removeObsolete. >> TheWorldMenu removeObsolete. >> AppRegistry removeObsolete. >> Set rehashAllSets. >> Smalltalk cleanOutUndeclared. >> Smalltalk garbageCollect. >> > > Respect to this list, and maybe this should be a ticket. Shouldn't be > better to have an established message to cleanup the image on release. > Something like the cleanUpForImageRelease but generalized and then, the > classes that need to do something like this, they implement that > message. > > So on release a new image version you only call something like > > Smalltalk cleanUpForImageRelease. > > and inside it search all the classes that implements the message and > call them. So, your post-script becomes a single line and each package > is responsible of putting inside its own cleanUpForImageRelease whatever > needed to initialize itself. > But well, just an idea for subsequent releases.

Jan. 11, 2010

[Pharo-project] 1.0 and 1.1. on Download page

by Torsten Bergmann

The Pharo download page does not include the 1.1 unstable images/setups anymore. Who removed them and why? Did I miss some discussion? Bye T. -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser

Jan. 11, 2010