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Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup

by Fernando olivero

I agree 100%. less is more sometimes. Il giorno Sep 11, 2009, alle ore 7:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse ha scritto: > Hi guys > > I would like what you think of these wonderful popups that try to help > to > write cool code but just get in my way: > "this variable is not used.... > you did not store into it.... > > Could we agree that we are adults? > and this is more a pain than anything else? > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 12, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Graphics-Centric UI Capability?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 12, 2009, at 12:28 AM, dmurphy(a)infratecture.com wrote: > hello all, > > i have been nabbling about the list archives, trying to figure out > the right class to use for providing a scrolling graph pane on which > i can draw shapes. > > suppose i were to take UITheme(class)>>exampleWindowWithToolbars and > want to turn that into a simple Paint Program. > > what would i put in place of the > StandardWindow>>newTextEditorFor:getText:setText:getEnabled: message > send? > > are there any simple Paint Program examples i start with? did you check the extrapackages available in the project PharoMorphic PharoSound In the past in squeak there was a simple paint editor. Because you have some graphs but they do not use Polymorph. Now once you find please advertise it. It is really important to raise the level of knowledge on the community :) > > thanks for any pointers! > > delbert > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 12, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > Yes, the popups should go away - far away :) A code mentor pane > with lint rule violations would be greatly appreciated, but the > modal messages are too much. Sometimes I want to save code that I > know will generate errors, with reasons ranging from "I'll let it > blow up and choose to implement it from the debugger" to "don't want > to lose this, so let's get it accepted before I do something stupid." same here! At least we have a common vision and we can go slowly there.

Sept. 12, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes this is what I think. The interface of SmallLint should really be improved. Stef On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > i would be quite happy if the "this variable is not used" was picked > up by a lint rule. the "your using this variable and you haven't yet > assigned a value" is sometimes nice. however, if lint/slint/slime (?) > had a nice permanent UI mechanism in the browser (i haven't checked) > then I would get rid the former in preference of such a framework that > can point out all sorts of useful things with the code when you accept > methods. could then be package / context aware etc. > > Mike > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> I would like what you think of these wonderful popups that try to >> help >> to >> write cool code but just get in my way: >> "this variable is not used.... >> you did not store into it.... >> >> Could we agree that we are adults? >> and this is more a pain than anything else? >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 12, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Graphics-Centric UI Capability?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Caution: this is *not* the answer to your question; I will be waiting to see what the experts say on the subject. One thing I _can_ tell you is that it is often a good idea to write graphics-producing code in terms of a canvas such that it can draw on "anything" (display, image file and printer come to mind) using the device resolution to scale things correctly. I have long been amazed that people create (in Dolphin speak) their own views when an image presenter would the job given a "background" bitmap. There are always exceptions, but IMHO you should at least consider drawing on a Form and displaying that in a appropriate morph, or whatever the gurus suggest. I hope that makes at least some sense. Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of dmurphy(a)infratecture.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:28 PM To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] Graphics-Centric UI Capability? hello all, i have been nabbling about the list archives, trying to figure out the right class to use for providing a scrolling graph pane on which i can draw shapes. suppose i were to take UITheme(class)>>exampleWindowWithToolbars and want to turn that into a simple Paint Program. what would i put in place of the StandardWindow>>newTextEditorFor:getText:setText:getEnabled: message send? are there any simple Paint Program examples i start with? thanks for any pointers! delbert

Sept. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

The answer to "is it possible to..." is almost always yes. I think it would be easier to suppress the popups add some type of analyzer/mentor pane, but I'm no expert on how the browsers work. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Andrey Larionov Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:54 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup is it possible to show with flag "Do not hastiate anymore?" and save state in current instance of editor (or some)? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 01:32, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Stef, > > Yes, the popups should go away - far away :) Â A code mentor pane with lint rule violations would be greatly appreciated, but the modal messages are too much. Â Sometimes I want to save code that I know will generate errors, with reasons ranging from "I'll let it blow up and choose to implement it from the debugger" to "don't want to lose this, so let's get it accepted before I do something stupid." > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of > Michael Roberts > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:21 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and > popup > > i would be quite happy if the "this variable is not used" was picked up by a lint rule. Â the "your using this variable and you haven't yet assigned a value" is sometimes nice. however, if lint/slint/slime (?) had a nice permanent UI mechanism in the browser (i haven't checked) then I would get rid the former in preference of such a framework that can point out all sorts of useful things with the code when you accept methods. could then be package / context aware etc. > > Mike > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> I would like what you think of these wonderful popups that try to >> help to write cool code but just get in my way: >> Â Â Â Â "this variable is not used.... >> Â Â Â Â you did not store into it.... >> >> Could we agree that we are adults? >> and this is more a pain than anything else? >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 11, 2009

[Pharo-project] Graphics-Centric UI Capability?

by dmurphy＠infratecture.com

hello all, i have been nabbling about the list archives, trying to figure out the right class to use for providing a scrolling graph pane on which i can draw shapes. suppose i were to take UITheme(class)>>exampleWindowWithToolbars and want to turn that into a simple Paint Program. what would i put in place of the StandardWindow>>newTextEditorFor:getText:setText:getEnabled: message send? are there any simple Paint Program examples i start with? thanks for any pointers! delbert

Sept. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup

by Andrey Larionov

is it possible to show with flag "Do not hastiate anymore?" and save state in current instance of editor (or some)? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 01:32, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Stef, > > Yes, the popups should go away - far away :) Â A code mentor pane with lint rule violations would be greatly appreciated, but the modal messages are too much. Â Sometimes I want to save code that I know will generate errors, with reasons ranging from "I'll let it blow up and choose to implement it from the debugger" to "don't want to lose this, so let's get it accepted before I do something stupid." > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Michael Roberts > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:21 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup > > i would be quite happy if the "this variable is not used" was picked up by a lint rule. Â the "your using this variable and you haven't yet assigned a value" is sometimes nice. however, if lint/slint/slime (?) had a nice permanent UI mechanism in the browser (i haven't checked) then I would get rid the former in preference of such a framework that can point out all sorts of useful things with the code when you accept methods. could then be package / context aware etc. > > Mike > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> I would like what you think of these wonderful popups that try to help >> to write cool code but just get in my way: >> Â Â Â Â "this variable is not used.... >> Â Â Â Â you did not store into it.... >> >> Could we agree that we are adults? >> and this is more a pain than anything else? >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup

by Esteban Lorenzano

+1 On 2009-09-11 18:32:18 -0300, "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> said: > Stef, > > Yes, the popups should go away - far away :) A code mentor pane with lint > rule violations would be greatly appreciated, but the modal messages are to > o much. Sometimes I want to save code that I know will generate errors, wi > th reasons ranging from "I'll let it blow up and choose to implement it fro > m the debugger" to "don't want to lose this, so let's get it accepted befor > e I do something stupid." > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bou > nces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of > Michael Roberts > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:21 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup > > i would be quite happy if the "this variable is not used" was picked up by > a lint rule. the "your using this variable and you haven't yet assigned a > value" is sometimes nice. however, if lint/slint/slime (?) had a nice perma > nent UI mechanism in the browser (i haven't checked) then I would get rid t > he former in preference of such a framework that can point out all sorts of > useful things with the code when you accept methods. could then be package > / context aware etc. > > Mike > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria > .fr> wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> I would like what you think of these wonderful popups that try to help > >> to write cool code but just get in my way: >> Â Â Â Â "this variable is not used.... >> Â Â Â Â you did not store into it.... >> >> Could we agree that we are adults? >> and this is more a pain than anything else? >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, Yes, the popups should go away - far away :) A code mentor pane with lint rule violations would be greatly appreciated, but the modal messages are too much. Sometimes I want to save code that I know will generate errors, with reasons ranging from "I'll let it blow up and choose to implement it from the debugger" to "don't want to lose this, so let's get it accepted before I do something stupid." Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Michael Roberts Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:21 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] getting rid of these boring questions and popup i would be quite happy if the "this variable is not used" was picked up by a lint rule. the "your using this variable and you haven't yet assigned a value" is sometimes nice. however, if lint/slint/slime (?) had a nice permanent UI mechanism in the browser (i haven't checked) then I would get rid the former in preference of such a framework that can point out all sorts of useful things with the code when you accept methods. could then be package / context aware etc. Mike On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > I would like what you think of these wonderful popups that try to help > to write cool code but just get in my way: > Â Â Â Â "this variable is not used.... > Â Â Â Â you did not store into it.... > > Could we agree that we are adults? > and this is more a pain than anything else? > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 11, 2009