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Re: [Pharo-project] Spring in November, Argentina

by Hernan Wilkinson

Alex, if we change the date, is that a problem for you? On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > In that case, you should not say that the conference ends after lunch, > but after the Pharo Sprint. It does not make a difference from the > logistic point of view, but it does in people mind. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > On 21 Sep 2009, at 11:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > > We planned to do it on Wednesday 18... On Sunday the University is > > > not open.... > > > > This is pity, since Sunday has better chance to gather people. > > It will be on Wednesday then. I will buy my flight today or tomorrow. > > > > > > Yeah. If we do it on Wednesday few people will be able to attend. > > HernÃ¡n is looking for another option. > > > > Another option is to do it on Saturday, after the conference. The > > conference finishes after lunch. So, we have all the afternoon/ > > evening. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 3:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > > > wrote: > > > for me this is ok too. > > > this can also be the sunday before since I will arrive from chile > > the > > > firday evening. > > > stef > > > > > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > Do we know the exact day of the sprint? I suggest during > > weekend as > > > > most of us has to work during the week. It would be nice on Sunday > > > > 22 but I don't know if the University is open. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > > > Done. you're on the list. > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:21, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > > > My first name is Cesar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 09/09/2009 13:29, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can add it. What is your firstname - name ? > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:00, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Would it suffice I add a comment in the wiki or should I > > get > > > > some > > > > > > specific id in order to edit the wiki page itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, if anything else fails:: I'm attemting to apply :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 08/09/2009 15:10, Alexandre Bergel < > > > alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > I added a section in the Sprint wiki page: > > > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints?ts=1252433348&updated=… > > > > > > > > > > > > People should add their name. I will send a remainder a few > > > > days > > > > > > before the event. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > > project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > > project > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > project > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > project > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Gofer vs Installer

by Lukas Renggli

> This is something that I can't understand. Is this supposed to be a > package management system per se, a la Metacello, aptitude, yum?? > Isn't just a installer of MC packages but tries to manage the MC > database of packages in a way that is clean and *atomic*? No, as it says on the first line, it is a tool to perform basic Monticello operations on multiple packages. It is based on scripts that we wrote to handle the 70+ Seaside 3.0 packages, as well as code we wrote for Flair, a system that has similar goals than Metacello, but is now discontinued in favor of Metacello. Maybe Metacello will use Gofer as its loader. > So, there will be a registry of gofer installed operations so that can > be utilized after the install operation (maybe months later)? No. Unless you store them somewhere. The class-side of Gofer has some examples for common set of packages. > Or will just be for trying to install some group of packages and if some > error happens immediatly revert? No. It uses the normal tools available through Monticello, but provides a convenient interface. Furthermore it runs some additional code to keep the image in a clean state. For example it ensures that every working copy has an repository assigned, that repositories pointing to the same physical location are of the same instance, that unused repositories get removed again, that categories are properly ordered, that unload operations do not leave empty categories and protocols, etc. > Can you relate the scenarios showing how gofer is intended to use, > because until now (maybe my narrow perspective) the examples shown can > be done also with ScriptLoader and Installer. Maybe the loading part can be performed by these tools (but then again they mess up with the repositories), but not really the other operations. > Other thing, I tried to convert my image install script but I can't > finish because I install packages from monticello configurations (magma > 1.0r42) and from my local directory repository. Neither of those options > can be handled by gofer (as far as I can see). Of course this can be > corrected, it is just to integrate the correct MC installer classes. Gofer is designed for Monticello only. > That reminds me other thing, Installer can handle monticello > configurations, is the corresponding way of loading the packages using > gofer to list each package in the mcm file in a gofer script? So mcm > will not used or it is just that there have no been time to add those > capability to gofer? Yeah, a Gofer specification is very similar to a Monticello Configuration. In fact when you use specific versions it is basically the same, but then again it messes up with the repositories and categories, something that drives me mad for years already :-) Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Package loader on Pharo

by Damien Cassou

2009/9/21 Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com>: > This is confusing for me. > Maybe the Pharo board should take a decision now in order to the > community to push it. There are: If we are talking about a package management system (a way for the end-user to install more packages): > ChangeSets not a package management system. It's a format to exchange code. > ScriptLoader private/internal way to manage the update stream. Should not be visible to the end user. > Monticello alone does not allow loading of projects with dependencies on other repositories > Monticello configurations I don't know > Metacello +1 but we need a place to put Metacello descriptions > Installer +1 but we need a place to put Installer scripts (Sake/Packages) > Gofer I see it more as a backend for Installer and Metacello -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Spring in November, Argentina

by Alexandre Bergel

In that case, you should not say that the conference ends after lunch, but after the Pharo Sprint. It does not make a difference from the logistic point of view, but it does in people mind. Cheers, Alexandre On 21 Sep 2009, at 11:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > We planned to do it on Wednesday 18... On Sunday the University is > > not open.... > > This is pity, since Sunday has better chance to gather people. > It will be on Wednesday then. I will buy my flight today or tomorrow. > > > Yeah. If we do it on Wednesday few people will be able to attend. > HernÃ¡n is looking for another option. > > Another option is to do it on Saturday, after the conference. The > conference finishes after lunch. So, we have all the afternoon/ > evening. > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 3:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > > wrote: > > for me this is ok too. > > this can also be the sunday before since I will arrive from chile > the > > firday evening. > > stef > > > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > Do we know the exact day of the sprint? I suggest during > weekend as > > > most of us has to work during the week. It would be nice on Sunday > > > 22 but I don't know if the University is open. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > > Done. you're on the list. > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:21, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > My first name is Cesar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 09/09/2009 13:29, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > I can add it. What is your firstname - name ? > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:00, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > > > Would it suffice I add a comment in the wiki or should I > get > > > some > > > > > specific id in order to edit the wiki page itself? > > > > > > > > > > BTW, if anything else fails:: I'm attemting to apply :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 08/09/2009 15:10, Alexandre Bergel < > > alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > I added a section in the Sprint wiki page: > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints?ts=1252433348&updated=… > > > > > > > > > > People should add their name. I will send a remainder a few > > > days > > > > > before the event. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > project > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > project > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Spring in November, Argentina

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > > We planned to do it on Wednesday 18... On Sunday the University is > > not open.... > > This is pity, since Sunday has better chance to gather people. > It will be on Wednesday then. I will buy my flight today or tomorrow. > > Yeah. If we do it on Wednesday few people will be able to attend. HernÃ¡n is looking for another option. Another option is to do it on Saturday, after the conference. The conference finishes after lunch. So, we have all the afternoon/evening. Cheers, Mariano Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 3:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > > wrote: > > for me this is ok too. > > this can also be the sunday before since I will arrive from chile the > > firday evening. > > stef > > > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > Do we know the exact day of the sprint? I suggest during weekend as > > > most of us has to work during the week. It would be nice on Sunday > > > 22 but I don't know if the University is open. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > > Done. you're on the list. > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:21, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > My first name is Cesar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 09/09/2009 13:29, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > I can add it. What is your firstname - name ? > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:00, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > > > Would it suffice I add a comment in the wiki or should I get > > > some > > > > > specific id in order to edit the wiki page itself? > > > > > > > > > > BTW, if anything else fails:: I'm attemting to apply :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 08/09/2009 15:10, Alexandre Bergel < > > alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > I added a section in the Sprint wiki page: > > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints?ts=1252433348&updated=… > > > > > > > > > > People should add their name. I will send a remainder a few > > > days > > > > > before the event. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > project > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > project > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Spring in November, Argentina

by Alexandre Bergel

> We planned to do it on Wednesday 18... On Sunday the University is > not open.... This is pity, since Sunday has better chance to gather people. It will be on Wednesday then. I will buy my flight today or tomorrow. Cheers, Alexandre > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 3:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > wrote: > for me this is ok too. > this can also be the sunday before since I will arrive from chile the > firday evening. > stef > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Do we know the exact day of the sprint? I suggest during weekend as > > most of us has to work during the week. It would be nice on Sunday > > 22 but I don't know if the University is open. > > > > Best, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > Done. you're on the list. > > > > Alexandre > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:21, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > My first name is Cesar. > > > > > > > > > Em 09/09/2009 13:29, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > I can add it. What is your firstname - name ? > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:00, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > Would it suffice I add a comment in the wiki or should I get > > some > > > > specific id in order to edit the wiki page itself? > > > > > > > > BTW, if anything else fails:: I'm attemting to apply :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 08/09/2009 15:10, Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I added a section in the Sprint wiki page: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints?ts=1252433348&updated=… > > > > > > > > People should add their name. I will send a remainder a few > > days > > > > before the event. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Spring in November, Argentina

by Hernan Wilkinson

We planned to do it on Wednesday 18... On Sunday the University is not open.... On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 3:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > for me this is ok too. > this can also be the sunday before since I will arrive from chile the > firday evening. > stef > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Do we know the exact day of the sprint? I suggest during weekend as > > most of us has to work during the week. It would be nice on Sunday > > 22 but I don't know if the University is open. > > > > Best, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > Done. you're on the list. > > > > Alexandre > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:21, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > My first name is Cesar. > > > > > > > > > Em 09/09/2009 13:29, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > I can add it. What is your firstname - name ? > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:00, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > Would it suffice I add a comment in the wiki or should I get > > some > > > > specific id in order to edit the wiki page itself? > > > > > > > > BTW, if anything else fails:: I'm attemting to apply :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 08/09/2009 15:10, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I added a section in the Sprint wiki page: > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints?ts=1252433348&updated=… > > > > > > > > People should add their name. I will send a remainder a few > > days > > > > before the event. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about setting and preference.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Alain Plantec <beranger22(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mariano, > > strange, I have the same problem when I try > to load it cdirectly with the FileBrowser. > but, with MC it is loaded without any problem. > > Excellent! I loaded it with MC now and worked perfect. I love this work. I just played a couple of minutes but seems an excellent work. We will finally have nice preference/settings browsers!!! wiiii > Alain > > Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > > Alain: I just file in the changeset and I have a sintax error. I do it > > in latest Pharo. > > > > It doesn't let me copy paste, so I attach and screenshot. > > > > Best > > > > Mariano > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr > > <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> wrote: > > > > just forgot to indicate the entry point. > > In order to open the setting browser: > > SystemSettingBrowser open. > > > > Cheers > > Alain > > > > Alain Plantec a Ã©crit : > > > Hi all, > > > I've changed the new setting implementation. > > > The new proposition is attached. > > > I think that this implementation is in sync with Lukas remarks; > > > and yes, I think it is much better now, thanks! > > > I also removed PragmaHandler and SettingHandler classes as Stephane > > > suggested. > > > It temporarily includes several (stupid) examples for testing > > purpose. > > > Comments have not yet been changed. > > > I will do it asap. > > > Remarks, comments etc are welcome. > > > Cheers > > > Alain > > > > > > Lukas Renggli a Ã©crit : > > >>> - A setting with value is an instance of SettingValue or of > > one of its > > >>> subclasses. Such a setting holds a useful global system > > parameter and > > >>> is made persistent: it is stored in a class variable which is > > >>> initialized by the method that declares the setting. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I think the problem with this proposal is that it mixes the > > model (the > > >> value of the setting) and the meta-model (the model of the > > setting). > > >> This is problematic because then all code depends on the settings > > >> package and when reading/writing settings application code must be > > >> aware of the indirection introduced through the setting. > > >> > > >> Why isn't a setting simply a variable local to the package, and > the > > >> setting-description a separate object (method) that can also be > > >> packaged separately? > > >> Lukas > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 21, 2009

[Pharo-project] Package loader on Pharo

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El lun, 21-09-2009 a las 16:35 +0200, StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > yes > > we should not use scriptLoader for that because scriptLoader should > not be part of the default image. This is confusing for me. Maybe the Pharo board should take a decision now in order to the community to push it. There are: ChangeSets ScriptLoader Monticello alone Monticello configurations Metacello Installer Gofer maybe others too. They share a lot of overlapped functionality. Some scripts use one of them, some other. This confuse the developers and the community. Maybe now is the moment to discuss the tools in order to polish them and use them, at leas until a new tool arrives that is better than the used by Pharo. You said that ScriptLoader will not be part of the core image but as I can see, only ScriptLoader and Installer can be installed directly from the web in an image that it doesn't have it. Can the community discuss this? Or the Pharo board write its opinion? > > stef > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Laval Jannik wrote: > > > > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 13:14 , Damien Cassou wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Laval Jannik > >> <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I have just done a "ScriptLoader loadOB", and the same bug appears. > >> > >> Why do you use this old and not working script when I'm generating > >> new > >> images three times a month? > > > > because it is present in the image :) > > > > If it is an old version, maybe we must clean ScriptLoader. > > > > > >> > >> http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > >> > >> -- > >> Damien Cassou > >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > >> > >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > >> popular by not having them." James Iry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > --- > > Jannik Laval > > PhD Student - Rmod Team - INRIA > > Certified Project Management Associate (IPMA) > > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr > > --- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about setting and preference.

by Alain Plantec

Hi Mariano, strange, I have the same problem when I try to load it cdirectly with the FileBrowser. but, with MC it is loaded without any problem. Alain Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > Alain: I just file in the changeset and I have a sintax error. I do it > in latest Pharo. > > It doesn't let me copy paste, so I attach and screenshot. > > Best > > Mariano > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr > <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> wrote: > > just forgot to indicate the entry point. > In order to open the setting browser: > SystemSettingBrowser open. > > Cheers > Alain > > Alain Plantec a Ã©crit : > > Hi all, > > I've changed the new setting implementation. > > The new proposition is attached. > > I think that this implementation is in sync with Lukas remarks; > > and yes, I think it is much better now, thanks! > > I also removed PragmaHandler and SettingHandler classes as Stephane > > suggested. > > It temporarily includes several (stupid) examples for testing > purpose. > > Comments have not yet been changed. > > I will do it asap. > > Remarks, comments etc are welcome. > > Cheers > > Alain > > > > Lukas Renggli a Ã©crit : > >>> - A setting with value is an instance of SettingValue or of > one of its > >>> subclasses. Such a setting holds a useful global system > parameter and > >>> is made persistent: it is stored in a class variable which is > >>> initialized by the method that declares the setting. > >>> > >> > >> I think the problem with this proposal is that it mixes the > model (the > >> value of the setting) and the meta-model (the model of the > setting). > >> This is problematic because then all code depends on the settings > >> package and when reading/writing settings application code must be > >> aware of the indirection introduced through the setting. > >> > >> Why isn't a setting simply a variable local to the package, and the > >> setting-description a separate object (method) that can also be > >> packaged separately? > >> Lukas > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

Sept. 21, 2009