August 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

by Alexandre Bergel

> The license will be MIT as Pharo. Now i dont store the code in > nowhere, > because is still in alpha state. I believe in one or two weeks i > could up in > squeakSource, for first usable version. Equally as important Stef said, putting your source on Squeaksource shows that you're working on the project. There are plenty of dead projects on Squeaksource, it is very hard to know what is dead and what is not. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 11, 2009

[Pharo-project] ClassDescription>>classVersion

by Alexandre Bergel

Hola! This method looks really suspicious to me. 6 classes implements #classVersion. Either #classVersion returns 0 or 1. Having the knowledge about a class version is definitely important. But I have the strong feeling this should be implemented that way. The packaging system should provide the information. Any opinion? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 11, 2009

[Pharo-project] Class>>isSystemDefined ?

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear List members, The following method is defined in Class: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Class>>isSystemDefined "Answer true if the receiver is a system-defined class, and not a UniClass (an instance-specific lightweight class)" ^ self == self officialClass -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= isSystemDefined is sent a number of times. Especially by streams. I guess that this determines what should be serialized what should not. However, #officialClass has only two implementers: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Class>>officialClass "I am not a UniClass. (See Player officialClass). Return the class you use to make new subclasses." ^ self -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= And slightly more surprising: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= MorphicModel>>officialClass "We want to make a new instance of the receiver, which is a subclass of MorphicModel. Answer who to make a new subclass of. Also used to tell if a given class is a UniClass, existing only for its single instance." ^ self name last isDigit ifTrue: [MorphicModel] ifFalse: [self] "MorphicModel7 can not have subclasses, but Slider and SystemWindow may" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There is a very strong smell for cleaning here. Apparently, most of usage of #isSystemDefined could be replaced by #isBehavior Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

by David T. Lewis

Hi, I am away from Squeak/Pharo at the moment so this is from memory, but the Klatt constants are part of the speech support. You should be able to load a copy through SqueakMap or Universes. I think that the package is called "Klatt" or possibly "Speech" (I don't remember for sure). In any case, the constants are required only for the KlattPlugin, which you do not need to build, so you can probably just ignore this error. You definitely do need the FFI package. I think you can get it through SqueakMap. I'm not sure if that's the latest version, but it will give you the FFI constants, which is all that you need to do the VM build. Sorry for the poor answer, but hopefully enough to get you started. Dave On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:21:40AM -0300, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > Hi David, > thank you for your answer. I tried to downloaded but it need FFIConstants > and KlattResonatorIndices... I downloaded Alien but when downloading > VMMaker, Monticello ask me for FFIConstants and I could not find the > KlattResonatorIndices package... I feel kind of dumb, but could you tell me > the packages for those things? > > Thanks, > Hernan. > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com>wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 05:42:11PM -0300, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > > > Hi, > > > we need to issue a post using https. We read about SWHTTPClient and > > > CurlPlugIn. > > > It sounds like SWHTTPClient does not support Https correctly (from what > > we > > > read, is that right? ), so we tried CurlPlugIn but we could not make it > > > work. We tried to download VMMaker from Universes to build the plug-in > > and > > > it did not download (it gives a compile error). > > > > Try using the latest VMMaker from http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker. > > The version that you got from Universes is now quite out of date. > > > > Dave > >

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

by Mariano Martinez Peck

FFIConstants is FFI package, not Alien FFI. This last one is a new implementation of FFI. To load FFI (not alien) on Pharo, just evaluate: ScriptLoader loadFFI I don't know what KlattResonatorIndices is. 2009/8/11 Hernan Wilkinson <hernan.wilkinson(a)gmail.com> > Hi David, > thank you for your answer. I tried to downloaded but it need FFIConstants > and KlattResonatorIndices... I downloaded Alien but when downloading > VMMaker, Monticello ask me for FFIConstants and I could not find the > KlattResonatorIndices package... I feel kind of dumb, but could you tell me > the packages for those things? > > Thanks, > Hernan. > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com>wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 05:42:11PM -0300, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: >> > Hi, >> > we need to issue a post using https. We read about SWHTTPClient and >> > CurlPlugIn. >> > It sounds like SWHTTPClient does not support Https correctly (from what >> we >> > read, is that right? ), so we tried CurlPlugIn but we could not make it >> > work. We tried to download VMMaker from Universes to build the plug-in >> and >> > it did not download (it gives a compile error). >> >> Try using the latest VMMaker from http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker. >> The version that you got from Universes is now quite out of date. >> >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1058 - Merge of BlockContext and BlockClosure

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:28 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > OK so I did not get the ones that are missing for Glorp? > Sorry Stef I don't understood your question. Glorp uses some methods that wasn't in BlockCloure. At least, I remember one: argumentCount which was only a simple accesor. So, we put it in BlockClosure. Then, Glorp has extensions in BlockContext with category *Glorp that I had to copy them to BlockClosure, but those methods are Glorp specific and they are loaded only when you load the Glorp package. Best, Mariano > > Stef > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > This was already discussed some time ago in the thread > > "BlockContextTest". Gabriel posted a list of methods and we discussed > > which ones should be copied to BlockClosure. > > > > Adrian > > > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 09:06 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > >> What would be nice is to get a list of the methods that are missing > >> in > >> BlockClosure. > >> After the changes will not be only needed for pharo but also for > >> Squeak since Squeak has blockclosure now > >> > >> Stef > >> > >>> > >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1058 > >>>>> > >>>>> Can this two classes be merged (the share 80% or more than methods > >>>>> and > >>>>> several are identical, maybe were copied) and then (assuming that > >>>>> the > >>>>> BlockClosure will be the enduring): > >>>>> > >>>>> Smalltalk at: #BlockContext put: BlockClosure > >>>>> > >>>>> This way several packages that extend BlockContext will work in > >>>>> the > >>>>> new > >>>>> closure vm, for example Magma. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't think this is a good idea. BlockClosures are *not* > >>>> contexts. > >>>> So methods > >>>> that are about the context part of BlockContext will fail. > >>>> > >>>> I think we should just keep BlockContext for backward-compatibility > >>>> in > >>>> 1.0. This > >>>> way, people can load code and than check if the methods needs to go > >>>> to > >>>> MethodContext > >>>> or BlockClosures. > >>>> > >>>> Marcus > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Ok, I assumed that like both classes share a lot of methods, they > >>> were > >>> mostly interchangeable. > >>> So by the responses, I think that this implies that changes will be > >>> neccesary to port packages that > >>> extend BlockContext to work in Pharo, while, at the same time, they > >>> must conserve the extensions to > >>> BlockContext. > >>> > >>> I imagine that given the closure integration in Squeak, this will > >>> force all the packages to use BlockClosure (or > >>> equivalent class) to update their packages. > >>> > >>> Miguel CobÃ¡ > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Marcus Denker - http://marcusdenker.de > >>>> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of > >>>> Chile > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Feature Roadmap Question

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:27 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > if somebody helps yes :) > It should be in the list of items for 1.1 > Done in: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/IdeasToImplement Section: UI > > STef > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:10 AM, Eagle Offshore wrote: > > > It seems like Pharo 1.0 is crystallized already. > > > > Is native window support (Areithfa Ffenestri) in the near term plan? > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3862 > > > > -Todd Blanchard > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Https client

by Hernan Wilkinson

Hi David, thank you for your answer. I tried to downloaded but it need FFIConstants and KlattResonatorIndices... I downloaded Alien but when downloading VMMaker, Monticello ask me for FFIConstants and I could not find the KlattResonatorIndices package... I feel kind of dumb, but could you tell me the packages for those things? Thanks, Hernan. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com>wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 05:42:11PM -0300, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > > Hi, > > we need to issue a post using https. We read about SWHTTPClient and > > CurlPlugIn. > > It sounds like SWHTTPClient does not support Https correctly (from what > we > > read, is that right? ), so we tried CurlPlugIn but we could not make it > > work. We tried to download VMMaker from Universes to build the plug-in > and > > it did not download (it gives a compile error). > > Try using the latest VMMaker from http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker. > The version that you got from Universes is now quite out of date. > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

by Gary Chambers

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1061 Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI > could you open a ticket in the Bug tracker? > > Stef > > On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> As for font chooser, there seems to be a problem with the FreeType >> support not selecting the correct fonts at the default sizes for >> some (most?) fonts. The FreeType font selector also exhibits this >> behaviour. >> >> Regards, Gary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: csrabak(a)bol.com.br >> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I'm a bit (well, totally) lost on how to build a GUI with >> Polymorph or >> > ToolBuilder or whatever. I want to code a GUI with the same look & >> feel as >> > Pharo tools. I cannot find any up to date comprehensive guide on the >> > subject. May be you have some links, or good books .... >> > >> Laurent, >> >> Not exactly a compreensive documentation but rather a quick start: >> >> In a workspace evaluate: >> >> UITheme exampleBasicControls. >> UITheme exampleColorControls. >> UITheme exampleDialogs. >> UITheme exampleGroups. >> UITheme exampleOtherControls. >> UITheme exampleWindowWithToolbars. >> >> Once you're done (and if you managed *not* to click any "OK" button >> on the examples ;-) ) evaluate: >> >> UITheme closeExampleDialogs. >> >> HTH >> >> PS.: Is it "known" (a.k.a. 'intentional') that in the Font Selector >> example the Preview isn't functional? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project________… >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

could you open a ticket in the Bug tracker? Stef On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > As for font chooser, there seems to be a problem with the FreeType > support not selecting the correct fonts at the default sizes for > some (most?) fonts. The FreeType font selector also exhibits this > behaviour. > > Regards, Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: csrabak(a)bol.com.br > To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] How to build a GUI > > > Hi, > > > > I'm a bit (well, totally) lost on how to build a GUI with > Polymorph or > > ToolBuilder or whatever. I want to code a GUI with the same look & > feel as > > Pharo tools. I cannot find any up to date comprehensive guide on the > > subject. May be you have some links, or good books .... > > > Laurent, > > Not exactly a compreensive documentation but rather a quick start: > > In a workspace evaluate: > > UITheme exampleBasicControls. > UITheme exampleColorControls. > UITheme exampleDialogs. > UITheme exampleGroups. > UITheme exampleOtherControls. > UITheme exampleWindowWithToolbars. > > Once you're done (and if you managed *not* to click any "OK" button > on the examples ;-) ) evaluate: > > UITheme closeExampleDialogs. > > HTH > > PS.: Is it "known" (a.k.a. 'intentional') that in the Font Selector > example the Preview isn't functional? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project________… > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 11, 2009