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Re: [Pharo-project] call for better pop up messages and UI for them

by Adrian Lienhard

Doesn't (Keep original method) imply that the old version of the method, the one before you started editing, will be kept (which would be the same like discarding the changes)? Therefore, I like best: > (Discard changes) (Don't do anything) Or what about? (Discard changes) (Back) Adrian On Aug 20, 2009, at 09:20 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> yes, this old dialog is really bad from a usability point of view. >> >> For your improved dialog, what does "Keep changes" do? If it is the >> old behavior of "Cancel" then this may be a bit misleading because >> nothing is saved, you just stop moving the focus away from the >> method. >> Maybe something along the lines of "Back to modified method" would be >> better? > > > (Discard changes) (Don't) > (Discard changes) (Don't do anything) > (Discard changes) (Keep original method) <- probably better > > >> >> Adrian >> >> On Aug 19, 2009, at 23:25 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> <Picture 5.png> >>> >>> of course I forgot this one. >>> >>> Changes have not been saved. >>> >>> (Discard changes) (Keep changes) >>> >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> hi guys >>>> >>>> I do not you but me I'm losing half of a second to read (even if I >>>> know it by hearth) this stupid window >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <Picture 3.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be so cool to have only two buttons because I do not >>>> understand what is the field input and the cancel >>>> >>>> and two buttons >>>> (Discard changes) (Keep changes) >>>> >>>> I'm so stupid: I do not understand what is cancel here (of course >>>> this is cancel the change of method >>>> but in UI flow I do not know that I was selecting or changing - now >>>> I get this crappy question and >>>> I panic .... >>>> >>>> Any taker? >>>> >>>> Stef_______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for better pop up messages and UI for them

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> yes, this old dialog is really bad from a usability point of view. > > For your improved dialog, what does "Keep changes" do? If it is the > old behavior of "Cancel" then this may be a bit misleading because > nothing is saved, you just stop moving the focus away from the method. > Maybe something along the lines of "Back to modified method" would be > better? (Discard changes) (Don't) (Discard changes) (Don't do anything) (Discard changes) (Keep original method) <- probably better > > Adrian > > On Aug 19, 2009, at 23:25 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> <Picture 5.png> >> >> of course I forgot this one. >> >> Changes have not been saved. >> >> (Discard changes) (Keep changes) >> >> >> On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> hi guys >>> >>> I do not you but me I'm losing half of a second to read (even if I >>> know it by hearth) this stupid window >>> >>> >>> >>> <Picture 3.png> >>> >>> >>> >>> It would be so cool to have only two buttons because I do not >>> understand what is the field input and the cancel >>> >>> and two buttons >>> (Discard changes) (Keep changes) >>> >>> I'm so stupid: I do not understand what is cancel here (of course >>> this is cancel the change of method >>> but in UI flow I do not know that I was selecting or changing - now >>> I get this crappy question and >>> I panic .... >>> >>> Any taker? >>> >>> Stef_______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [Seaside] "Learning Seasideâ Videos

by Lukas Renggli

These are great videos! Thank you James for sharing. I cleaned up the page on videos on the website and put the links there: http://www.seaside.st/documentation/videos Cheers, Lukas 2009/8/20 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de>: > 3 new videos done by James Foster: > > http://programminggems.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/videos/ > > you can also vote for it on > http://www.dzone.com/links/getting_started_with_the_seaside_web_application… > > Have fun > T. > -- > Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate > fÃ¼r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for better pop up messages and UI for them

by Adrian Lienhard

yes, this old dialog is really bad from a usability point of view. For your improved dialog, what does "Keep changes" do? If it is the old behavior of "Cancel" then this may be a bit misleading because nothing is saved, you just stop moving the focus away from the method. Maybe something along the lines of "Back to modified method" would be better? Adrian On Aug 19, 2009, at 23:25 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > <Picture 5.png> > > of course I forgot this one. > > Changes have not been saved. > > (Discard changes) (Keep changes) > > > On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> hi guys >> >> I do not you but me I'm losing half of a second to read (even if I >> know it by hearth) this stupid window >> >> >> >> <Picture 3.png> >> >> >> >> It would be so cool to have only two buttons because I do not >> understand what is the field input and the cancel >> >> and two buttons >> (Discard changes) (Keep changes) >> >> I'm so stupid: I do not understand what is cancel here (of course >> this is cancel the change of method >> but in UI flow I do not know that I was selecting or changing - now >> I get this crappy question and >> I panic .... >> >> Any taker? >> >> Stef_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] "Learning Seasideâ Videos

by Torsten Bergmann

3 new videos done by James Foster: http://programminggems.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/videos/ you can also vote for it on http://www.dzone.com/links/getting_started_with_the_seaside_web_application… Have fun T. -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate fÃ¼r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: OverlyComplex

by Ken.Dickey

> So, a lot of people here can attest that indeed it is more productive to > work in Smalltalk than in other languages, and that is the reason why > this *myth* persist. Maybe subjective, maybe not. We know that when we > work in Smalltalk and think how much more time/work/effort/boredom will > take to do the same on other languages. There are two factors to consider here [1] Languages which do things well that others cannot [2] Best Management Practices As for [2], I shared my experience with Extreme Programming in http://xpdx.org/files/ExtremeSuccess XP is not for every project, just every one I would want to work on. I also noted that if you can't afford to fail, you need to use a Dynamic Language such as Lisp, Scheme, or Smalltalk. See [1]. If you can afford to fail, you can write it in any language. I prefer to "cherry pick" things that work. $0.02, -KenD PS: I will ba away from computers for a week.

Aug. 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10418 - Win32 Installer

by Torsten Bergmann

>what does the format of your file means? Its just the build number of the setup. Increased for every new build and displayed in the software control panel of installed applications after you run it. I dont use the image number since it can happen that only the VM changes and the image stays the same. Then I will have a new setup build number too. Since I plan to include the "pharo by example" as soon as it is ready there may be also a new build with a newer tutorial but the same image. >Will sometime track the pharo version? http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 (scroll to Win32 section) contains all the setups together with the image that it contains. If it helps I can additionally include the image number in the name of the exe file?! Currently you can either look it up on the above webpage or check "System -> About" after installation. Bye Torsten -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

Aug. 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10418 - Win32 Installer

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El miÃ©, 19-08-2009 a las 23:56 +0200, Torsten Bergmann escribiÃ³: > "setup_pharo_0.0.0.10.exe" is now up on > Hey Torsten, what does the format of your file means? Will sometime track the pharo version? BTW: Thanks for the new release. Cheers > http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > Have fun even on Windows > Bye > Torsten > > -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Aug. 19, 2009

[Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10418 - Win32 Installer

by Torsten Bergmann

"setup_pharo_0.0.0.10.exe" is now up on http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download Have fun even on Windows Bye Torsten -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate fÃ¼r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

Aug. 19, 2009

[Pharo-project] About completion

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

with the pharo dev when I type with the completion some characters are lost. Now I wonder why when the word I want is in the top of the list I cannot type enter to get it. Why should I press tab? In addition if the completion is too slow why not just invoking it with tab on demand? Stef

Aug. 19, 2009