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Re: [Pharo-project] Right click weirdness

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Em 24/08/2009 18:49, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> escreveu: > > To anyone using both Windows and Linux, please try moving an image > between the two environments. I started my programming today by > copying an image from Linux to Windows. Once on the latter, I found > that right clicking did not work; I had to use the mouse wheel to > get context menus. Some time later, the right button started to > work. Maybe saving the image on the current machine jolts it??? Bill, I'm trying to use both environments (albeit by now on two different machines, but I intend to have at least one of them dual-boot) and I see this behaviour, but I was attributing it to some snafu of my part on setting of the VM. The weirness is total here, it is not consistent even between Squeak and Pharo images... I'll start to take notes of this and report back. -- Cesar Rabak

Aug. 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Right click weirdness

by David Mitchell

I have moved between Linux and Windows. I think the VMs do something different by default. Not on my machine to test. Probably VM settings differences. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K<bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > To anyone using both Windows and Linux, please try moving an image between the two environments. Â I started my programming today by copying an image from Linux to Windows. Â Once on the latter, I found that right clicking did not work; I had to use the mouse wheel to get context menus. Â Some time later, the right button started to work. Â Maybe saving the image on the current machine jolts it??? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 24, 2009

[Pharo-project] Right click weirdness

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

To anyone using both Windows and Linux, please try moving an image between the two environments. I started my programming today by copying an image from Linux to Windows. Once on the latter, I found that right clicking did not work; I had to use the mouse wheel to get context menus. Some time later, the right button started to work. Maybe saving the image on the current machine jolts it??? Bill

Aug. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Smalltalks 2009 - Third Smalltalk Conference of Argentina

by Hernan Wilkinson

Hi Alexander no problem, I'll ask for a room for that. Hernan. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > Andres, > > I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint. Do you think a room may be > provided with: enough chair, a white board, a video projector. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 22 Aug 2009, at 17:46, Andres Valloud wrote: > > > Argentina's third Smalltalk conference, Smalltalks 2009, will be held > > from November 19th through November 21rd at the Facultad de Ciencias > > Exactas y Naturales (FCEyN), Universidad de Buenos Aires (UBA). > > > > All those connected with Smalltalk, be it faculty, students, > > researchers, developers or entrepreneurs, are invited to participate, > > free of cost, as presenters and members of the audience. The > > organization committee will announce the registration website shortly. > > > > The conference's goal is to gather both the Argentine and > > International > > Smalltalk community to get connected sharing our work and experience > > with regards to Smalltalk or related topics. Smalltalks 2009 > > presentations will be divided between the "Industry and Development" > > and > > "Research and Education" categories. In addition, the event will > > host a > > Smalltalk programming contest. As in other editions, well known > > personalities from the international community will attend the > > conference. > > > > The "Research and Education" category is the best match for research > > and > > education work done with Smalltalk in universities and public or > > private > > entities. The "Industry and Development" category is suitable for > > presentations related to Smalltalk software developed by companies or > > individuals, both public and private. > > > > A list of suggested presentation topics, not exclusive, is below: > > > > * Development tools. > > * Development with prototypes. > > * Model driven development. > > * Agile practices (XP, TDD, etc). > > * Web application development. > > * Metamodeling / metaprogramming. > > * New frameworks or models. > > * Materials for education. > > * Embedded systems and robotics. > > * SOA and web services. > > * Experience reports, both development and research. > > * Commercial systems. > > * Automation and best testing practices. > > * Interoperability with other technologies. > > * Best design and architecture practices. > > > > Interested presenters should keep in mind the following deadline > > schedule. > > > > 1. You must present a summary of the proposed presentation no later > > than Monday, October 19th, 2009. The summary must fit on a single > > page, > > and must include a description, objective, and category of the work to > > be shown. The submission procedure will be announced shortly. > > > > 2. The conference's program committee will select the event's > > presentations from the proposals submitted according to the above > > procedure by Monday, October 26th. The proposals including dynamic > > examples as opposed to just static presentations will be given > > priority. > > > > 3. The conference schedule will be published in the conference's > > website on Wednesday, October 28th. > > > > 4. The conference's works and presentations will be published in the > > conference's website after the conference. > > > > Those interested in the coding contest can become familiarized with it > > at the smalltalks-2009-coding-contest Google group: > > > > smalltalks-2009-coding-contest(a)googlegroups.com > > > > The contest's goal is to have a good time solving a problem in > > Smalltalk, and win a prize while at it. We are working hard to ensure > > everyone can participate, and we will show examples and prototypes > > that > > can be improved by the participants. > > > > For directions to FCEyN, you can go to the computer science > > department's > > web site: > > > > http://dc.uba.ar > > > > Feel free to share this invitation with those who might be interested. > > If you have any questions, send us an email at > > > > fundacion (dot) smalltalk (at) gmail (dot) com > > > > See you at the conference! > > Smalltalks 2009 Organization Committee. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Smalltalks 2009 - Third Smalltalk Conference of Argentina

by Alexandre Bergel

Andres, I would like to organize a Pharo Sprint. Do you think a room may be provided with: enough chair, a white board, a video projector. Cheers, Alexandre On 22 Aug 2009, at 17:46, Andres Valloud wrote: > Argentina's third Smalltalk conference, Smalltalks 2009, will be held > from November 19th through November 21rd at the Facultad de Ciencias > Exactas y Naturales (FCEyN), Universidad de Buenos Aires (UBA). > > All those connected with Smalltalk, be it faculty, students, > researchers, developers or entrepreneurs, are invited to participate, > free of cost, as presenters and members of the audience. The > organization committee will announce the registration website shortly. > > The conference's goal is to gather both the Argentine and > International > Smalltalk community to get connected sharing our work and experience > with regards to Smalltalk or related topics. Smalltalks 2009 > presentations will be divided between the "Industry and Development" > and > "Research and Education" categories. In addition, the event will > host a > Smalltalk programming contest. As in other editions, well known > personalities from the international community will attend the > conference. > > The "Research and Education" category is the best match for research > and > education work done with Smalltalk in universities and public or > private > entities. The "Industry and Development" category is suitable for > presentations related to Smalltalk software developed by companies or > individuals, both public and private. > > A list of suggested presentation topics, not exclusive, is below: > > * Development tools. > * Development with prototypes. > * Model driven development. > * Agile practices (XP, TDD, etc). > * Web application development. > * Metamodeling / metaprogramming. > * New frameworks or models. > * Materials for education. > * Embedded systems and robotics. > * SOA and web services. > * Experience reports, both development and research. > * Commercial systems. > * Automation and best testing practices. > * Interoperability with other technologies. > * Best design and architecture practices. > > Interested presenters should keep in mind the following deadline > schedule. > > 1. You must present a summary of the proposed presentation no later > than Monday, October 19th, 2009. The summary must fit on a single > page, > and must include a description, objective, and category of the work to > be shown. The submission procedure will be announced shortly. > > 2. The conference's program committee will select the event's > presentations from the proposals submitted according to the above > procedure by Monday, October 26th. The proposals including dynamic > examples as opposed to just static presentations will be given > priority. > > 3. The conference schedule will be published in the conference's > website on Wednesday, October 28th. > > 4. The conference's works and presentations will be published in the > conference's website after the conference. > > Those interested in the coding contest can become familiarized with it > at the smalltalks-2009-coding-contest Google group: > > smalltalks-2009-coding-contest(a)googlegroups.com > > The contest's goal is to have a good time solving a problem in > Smalltalk, and win a prize while at it. We are working hard to ensure > everyone can participate, and we will show examples and prototypes > that > can be improved by the participants. > > For directions to FCEyN, you can go to the computer science > department's > web site: > > http://dc.uba.ar > > Feel free to share this invitation with those who might be interested. > If you have any questions, send us an email at > > fundacion (dot) smalltalk (at) gmail (dot) com > > See you at the conference! > Smalltalks 2009 Organization Committee. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Offscreen drawing...

by Lawson English

John M McIntosh wrote: > Lawson, the browswer plugin logic does this type of interaction. > > The x11 unix running as a separate process draws to the X11window of > the browser process, and > uses pipes to coordinate data, movement of UI commands file upload/ > download requests. > > The Window's version does a similar things I believe. > Thanks John. I'm trying to understand how things fit together. It *looks* simple but for some reason I'm not grokking it. BTW, here's a experimental VNC SL plugin someone is working on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUrU9DPMjA&hd=1 It would be very kool to have Squeak/Croquet able to render into SL the same way. Smalltalk on a prim... Lawson

Aug. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] VMMakerTool >>DoesNotUnderstand ModalFolderSelector

by David T. Lewis

Thanks, this should be fixed now in VMMaker-dtl.137 on SqueakSource. Dave On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:21:42AM +0100, Gary Chambers wrote: > VMMakerTool uses FileList2 directly. Should be changed to use UIManager default chooseDirectory... > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jean baptiste arnaud > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:01 AM > Subject: [Pharo-project] VMMakerTool >>DoesNotUnderstand ModalFolderSelector > > > Hi, > I would like use VMMaker on Pharo. > I resolve all dependency for the VMMaker Package : > > -FFI,(ScriptLoader loadFFI.) > -Speech find in "Unstable Squeak" package from squeaksource > -Finally i install VMMaker from squeaksource > > VMMaker seems work correctly but not this UI. When load the VMMakerTool, i have a error does not understand ModalFolderSelector. >

Aug. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] over bloated image workaround

by Sebastian Sastre

+1 Stripping or packaging an image is an unguaranteed process by design. Writing software is mostly a declarative job. So, I'd very much prefer to re-load all my declared stuff in a fresh image than make a development image to pass trhough a process that could inject bugs. cheers, sebastian > -----Mensaje original----- > De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] En > nombre de StÃ©phane Ducasse > Enviado el: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:55 > Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] over bloated image workaround > > the goal of pharo is also to avoid VW runtime packager (because the > package tries to statically find how to reduce > image size which is ***really*** difficult in a dynamic language. > Now Pavel got a 2mb image based on pharo: I imagine that we will be > able to start from this one to build up > pharo in the future :) > > > On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > > > Mariano, Ivery value those scripts! > > > > My image is small, but anyway I couldn't resist the challenge and > > tried so far, > > I got my image shrunk down from 20.7mb to 18.2mb. > > > > This is probably a candidate for extending something I may > > call "the Pharo equivalent to VW Runtime Packager" - I am not so > > familiar to Pharo to know > > if such a feature exist. > > > > Regards, Carlos > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > ]En nombre de Mariano Martinez Peck > > Enviado el: SÃ¡bado, 22 de Agosto de 2009 05:53 p.m. > > Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] over bloated image workaround > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 5:42 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > > wrote: > > We should check that. > > Can you open a ticket? > > > > > > Ok, done: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1083 > > > > > > > > > > Stef > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > Hi folks: Sometimes, my Pharo images grows a lot. Size > like 80MB or > > > similar. Marcelo Cortez gave me a couple of changes > (fileouts) that > > > make my images go back to their original size or similar. For > > > example, it was tasted in a 87 MB and after this changes and this > > > stuff, it become in 24 MB. The same with another one from 65M to > > 35M. > > > > > > If you have a big Pharo image, save a copy and do this tests: > > > > > > 1) File in all the changes I attach. > > > 2) Go to a workspace and evaluate: > > > > > > OBDPAbstract reinitAllCache. > > > LocalSends allInstances first initialize. > > > EventManager resetMap. > > > Smalltalk garbageCollect. > > > > > > Did this make your image too much smaller? > > > > > > When I evaluate SystemNavigation default obsoleteBehavio size I > > > get a a number of 3 digits. > > > > > > Perhaps it is a matter with the OB. I guess it generates > dependences > > > while you are developing a class and it creates on the fly an > > > obsolteClassXXX when there is something that doesn't exist. Then > > > they are processes and they are never garbage collected. > > > > > > When SmalltalkImage tries to fix the obsoletes delegates to the > > > literal frames of the compiled methods so that to search > references > > > to the obsoletes. But references were not gone because > they weren't > > > garbage collected. The same method finishes with error if the > > > obsoletes > 0. > > > > > > Does anyone has a comment for this? > > > > > > I tried to do my best to write in English from what > Marcelo told me > > > and from what I can understand from the changesets. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Mariano _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] VMMakerTool >>DoesNotUnderstand ModalFolderSelector

by Gary Chambers

VMMakerTool uses FileList2 directly. Should be changed to use UIManager default chooseDirectory... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: jean baptiste arnaud To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: [Pharo-project] VMMakerTool >>DoesNotUnderstand ModalFolderSelector Hi, I would like use VMMaker on Pharo. I resolve all dependency for the VMMaker Package : -FFI,(ScriptLoader loadFFI.) -Speech find in "Unstable Squeak" package from squeaksource -Finally i install VMMaker from squeaksource VMMaker seems work correctly but not this UI. When load the VMMakerTool, i have a error does not understand ModalFolderSelector. -- Arnaud Jean Baptiste ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] VMMakerTool >>DoesNotUnderstand ModalFolderSelector

by Adrian Lienhard

Recently, I also tried to create a VM with the latest VMMaker in the latest Pharo and run into several issues along the way (mainly because of Pharo changes). I don't have a source that compiles yet... I will report when it works. Adrian On Aug 24, 2009, at 09:31 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi jean-baptiste > > did you read the archives because Dave apparently fixes VMMaker so > that you can generate a new VM under pharo. > Let us know if you still have the problem. > Probably FileList modal... > > On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:01 AM, jean baptiste arnaud wrote: > >> Hi, >> I would like use VMMaker on Pharo. >> I resolve all dependency for the VMMaker Package : >> >> -FFI,(ScriptLoader loadFFI.) >> -Speech find in "Unstable Squeak" package from squeaksource >> -Finally i install VMMaker from squeaksource >> >> VMMaker seems work correctly but not this UI. When load the >> VMMakerTool, i have a error does not understand ModalFolderSelector. >> >> -- >> Arnaud Jean Baptiste >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > FYI. This problem was originally reported on the Pharo list earlier > this > year. The fix is now in VMMaker on SqueakSource. > > ----- Forwarded message from "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > ----- > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:05:22 -0400 > From: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > To: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion <vm-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >> > Subject: Re: [Vm-dev] Fwd: [Pharo-project] Could not load VMMaker in > 10315 > > > VMMaker (from SqueakSource) can now be loaded into closure-enabled > images. > > I was able to remove a couple of temp variables from the GeniePlugin > primitive without affecting the logic. This was discussed on several > lists back in May. > > The fix is in VMMaker-dtl.135 on SqueakSource, and is documented in > Mantis http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7384. > > Dave > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:37:15PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:06:10AM -0700, Eliot Miranda wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:40 AM, David T. Lewis >>> <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 01:44:52PM -0700, Eliot Miranda wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 3. refactor the GeniePlugin method into an outer args parser and >>>>> an inner >>>>> engine method and solve the problem. Since VMMaker will inline >>>>> anyway >>>> this >>>>> shouldn't make performance worse. I haven't done this because >>>>> I'm not >>>> the >>>>> author and it is quite a complex method. >>>> >>>> This sounds like the right thing to do, regardless of what may >>>> change >>>> in the compiler(s). >>> >>> >>> +1 >>> >> >> Well unfortunately the refactoring turns out to be easier said than >> done. >> At least it was easier for me to say it than it was for me to do it. >> >> I made a naive attempt to split the primitive into smaller methods, >> but this >> just ended up trading off too many things on the stack for too many >> arguments >> in an argument list. >> >> The method temp variables could be changed to be instance variables. >> This >> would probably work fine for any current VMs (not sure about Hydra), >> but >> it does not pass the smell test IMO. >> >> I suspect that Nathaniel Schaerli knew what he was doing when he >> wrote >> this primitive, and I most certainly do not, so I don't expect that >> I will >> make much further progress on this front. >> >> Dave > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > >> >> Hello squeak people >> >> Does anyone have a hint how to get (with reasonable effort) current >> vmmaker setup? May be there is a prepared image somewhere? I'm >> interested in building vm on windows. When I follow these >> instructions: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6102 i stuck during >> loading of vmmaker from the squeak-map >> >> regards, >> Danil > > Windows build instructions: > http://squeakvm.org/win32/ > http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/win32/docs/ > > Up to date VMMaker packages are on SqueakSource project VMMaker. The > SqueakMap and Universes entries are a bit out of date. > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 24, 2009