August 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Using VMMaker on Pharo

by Adrian Lienhard

Yea, I ran into this issue as well. It's not a problem of VMMaker but related to a "fix" in Pharo [1]. I wonder whether this change should be reverted because it may affect other external packages too... HTH, Adrian [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=698 On Aug 26, 2009, at 17:52 , jean baptiste arnaud wrote: > Hi, > > just a few feedback, about VMMaker, on Pharo some plugin like > (GeniePlugin) > can't be used because, > when generate on pharo they raise a error "InvalidDirectoryError". > see with : > Last Image Core > PharoCore-1.0-10414-BETA.zip<http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22770/PharoCore-1.0-10414-BETA.zip > > > . > clean install : FFI with ScriptLoader loadFFI. > install from squeaksource of Speech and VMMaker. > > > > > > -- > Arnaud Jean Baptiste > PhD Student - Rmod Team - INRIA > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] new socket API

by Philippe Marschall

Btw, while we're at it: TCP sockets and UDP sockets have a different interface. Some messages can only be sent to TCP sockets others only to UDP sockets. Yet they are both represented by the same Socket class. Cheers Philippe Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > I am not sure exactly what should be next, but I do not think we can simply kick it back to squeak-dev any more than we can the GUI/IDE, streams, etc., as sockets are very important. I am slowly chipping away at things that are standing in the way of my first Pharo success story; the impact of sockets has been minimal, but that will change. When I get going, I will be looking carefully at how things behave when peers do not respond (only the calling thread should suffer). Dolphin's socket streams are nice; Pharo seems to lean toward a single read-write stream, which should be fine as long as it manages not to hobble the image when the wrong wire gets kicked. SSL via OpenSSL should be easy to use; that will be an interesting adventure, but it needs to happen. > > With all due respect to those who have disagreed, I'm still highly suspicious that the networking problems have far more to do with IPv6 vs. 4 than the OS. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:21 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] new socket API > > so what is the next step? > > stef > > On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:19 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > >> Philippe Marschall wrote: >> >>> There's gotta be a better way to do this. >>> >>> The whole API with arrays where you have to know the index, ByteArray >>> objects, integer flags and so forth seems like a blast from the past. >> >> We could put some default behavior wrapper methods around this. >> But this is really a discussion for squeak-dev, as the IPv6 >> implementation originates from etoys/olpc. >> >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10418

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Youpi! Tx david/lukas/all :) Stef On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > Here is a fresh new Pharo http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > This version contains the two browsers: one based on the categories > and one based on packages. To change the default one, open a browser > and click on the right-most button in the title bar. > > Happy Pharoing > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10418

by Damien Cassou

Here is a fresh new Pharo http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download This version contains the two browsers: one based on the categories and one based on packages. To change the default one, open a browser and click on the right-most button in the title bar. Happy Pharoing -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

Aug. 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] Using VMMaker on Pharo

by jean baptiste arnaud

Hi, just a few feedback, about VMMaker, on Pharo some plugin like (GeniePlugin) can't be used because, when generate on pharo they raise a error "InvalidDirectoryError". see with : Last Image Core PharoCore-1.0-10414-BETA.zip<http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22770/PharoCore-1.0-10414-BETA.zip> . clean install : FFI with ScriptLoader loadFFI. install from squeaksource of Speech and VMMaker. -- Arnaud Jean Baptiste PhD Student - Rmod Team - INRIA http://rmod.lille.inria.fr

Aug. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo beta one-click somewhere?

by Marcus Denker

On 26.08.2009, at 06:48, Damien Cassou wrote: > 2009/8/26 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: >> Is there any Pharo one-click around to adopt? Hopefully based on >> latest >> beta... > > not yet sorry. Marcus, could you please build one? > Yes, that's on my list actually.... we should only distribute the one- click. Makes everything much simpler for people starting. I will do that sometimes the next days. Marcus -- Marcus Denker - http://marcusdenker.de PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] Pharo beta one-click somewhere?

by Torsten Bergmann

Marian wrote: >Anyway, this is the link for that: > >http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22778/setup_pharo_0.0.0.10.exe Yes ... but a better link with the same result is: http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download Janko wrote: >Is there any Pharo one-click around to adopt? But I think Lukas now has the "Seaside on-click" based on Pharo. (see [1]) So you can use that and just exchange the image. If you also replace the windows VM and fonts with the ones from the setup above you will get a fairly new distribution and the VM executable will include the pharo icon. Bye Torsten [1] http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/seaside-2.8.4 -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

Aug. 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] System vs. hierachy browsers

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I am not sure how much of this is self-inflicted and how much is already fixed; perhaps someone can remind me of a solution that already exists. If not, think of it as a wish list. I have typically never liked so-called "system browsers" because they tend to show classes alphabetically and hide inheritance relationshiops; that's really important in trying to understand a design. The toolset I am using now is reasonably fast (in fact, it's perfectly fine on my new quad core box, but I hate throwing hardware at efficiency problems) but it not the bleeding edge. The system browsers do not show hierachies, and the [hierarchy] buttons spawn off something that often shows only one of the paths from a super class. IIRC, I've seen a browser that does better, but I can't remember which one it was or whether it can run fast enough to work on most of the hardware I see every day. Sorry for the complaining tone of the above; I don't mean it that way, but I also do not have time to fix it right now. Bill

Aug. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] new socket API

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, I am not sure exactly what should be next, but I do not think we can simply kick it back to squeak-dev any more than we can the GUI/IDE, streams, etc., as sockets are very important. I am slowly chipping away at things that are standing in the way of my first Pharo success story; the impact of sockets has been minimal, but that will change. When I get going, I will be looking carefully at how things behave when peers do not respond (only the calling thread should suffer). Dolphin's socket streams are nice; Pharo seems to lean toward a single read-write stream, which should be fine as long as it manages not to hobble the image when the wrong wire gets kicked. SSL via OpenSSL should be easy to use; that will be an interesting adventure, but it needs to happen. With all due respect to those who have disagreed, I'm still highly suspicious that the networking problems have far more to do with IPv6 vs. 4 than the OS. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:21 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] new socket API so what is the next step? stef On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:19 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Philippe Marschall wrote: > >> There's gotta be a better way to do this. >> >> The whole API with arrays where you have to know the index, ByteArray >> objects, integer flags and so forth seems like a blast from the past. > > > We could put some default behavior wrapper methods around this. > But this is really a discussion for squeak-dev, as the IPv6 > implementation originates from etoys/olpc. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo beta one-click somewhere?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

There is no one click but there is a nice installer for Windows. But I guess you are not in a windows box. Anyway, this is the link for that: http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22778/setup_pharo_0.0.0.10.exe Janko: It is good news if Aida/Web runs perfectly well in Pharo. Would be nice to have different alternatives to persist but also for the UI. Best Mariano On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > :) > but are you on mac? > On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > > > Damien Cassou pravi: > >> Janko MivÅ¡ek: > >>> Is there any Pharo one-click around to adopt? Hopefully based on > >>> latest > >>> beta... > > > >> not yet sorry. Marcus, could you please build one? > > > > .. it would namely be nice to have a Pharo based one-click distro for > > my tutorial on ESUG ... :) > > > > Janko > > > > -- > > Janko MivÅ¡ek > > AIDA/Web > > Smalltalk Web Application Server > > http://www.aidaweb.si > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 26, 2009