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Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux

by Lukas Renggli

(1) deciding between m/n takes _some_ thought; I*m*plementors Se*n*ders (2) it is common to be using the mouse to move around among browsers and a workspace or two, at which point I have to move to the keyboard, think up the selector, and then get the benefit. > > In an ideal world, I would like to see the menus include these commands. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:08 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux > > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou >> <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >>> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >>>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu >>>> and >>> not >>>> insidethe "extended search". Â Don't you rather them to be in the >>>> first >>> menu >>>> ?? >>> >>> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >>> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) >> >> >> I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. > > I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a > FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. > > Adrian > >> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >>> popular by not having them." James Iry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

July 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux

by Adrian Lienhard

On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:14 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Documentation is certainly a good thing, but I have been trying to > adapt my behavior to take advantage of these shortcuts, and I notice > two things: (1) deciding between m/n takes _some_ thought; (2) it is > common to be using the mouse to move around among browsers and a > workspace or two, at which point I have to move to the keyboard, > think up the selector, and then get the benefit. > > In an ideal world, I would like to see the menus include these > commands. But they are included in the menu -- just not at the top level (see my previous mail). If we start to add more stuff at the top ('tally it' and 'watch it' are already questionable in my opinion), then we end up again with unusable menus like those of Squeak. Adrian > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > ] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:08 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo > apparently slow on linux > > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou >> <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >>>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first >>>> menu >>>> and >>> not >>>> insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the >>>> first >>> menu >>>> ?? >>> >>> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >>> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) >> >> >> I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. > > I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a > FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. > > Adrian > >> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >>> popular by not having them." James Iry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 19, 2009

[Pharo-project] Bug in MCAddition>>#shortSummary

by Nicolas Cellier

To trigger this, just try to merge http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Kernel-nice.193 -> MCPreambleDefinition doesNotUnderstand: #selector

July 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Documentation is certainly a good thing, but I have been trying to adapt my behavior to take advantage of these shortcuts, and I notice two things: (1) deciding between m/n takes _some_ thought; (2) it is common to be using the mouse to move around among browsers and a workspace or two, at which point I have to move to the keyboard, think up the selector, and then get the benefit. In an ideal world, I would like to see the menus include these commands. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:08 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou > <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > >> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu >>> and >> not >>> insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the >>> first >> menu >>> ?? >> >> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) > > > I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. Adrian > > >> >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux

by Adrian Lienhard

On Jul 19, 2009, at 20:05 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > >> 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >>> I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too >>> frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first >>> menu and >> not >>> insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the >>> first >> menu >>> ?? >> >> Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m >> (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) > > > I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. I think it would be better to document these shortcuts (e.g., as a FAQ) instead of cluttering the menus. Adrian > > >> >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too > > frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu and > not > > insidethe "extended search". Don't you rather them to be in the first > menu > > ?? > > Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m > (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) I do that. But I was not thinking in me, but in newbies. > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 19, 2009

[Pharo-project] Problematic method category

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, I have noted that some of my imported code has method in a category named **auto-generated**, and Monticello/PackageInfo sees it as a package. Is there a way to browse all methods in a named category, or better yet a sweeping progammatic fix to change the category name of all affected methods? Bill

July 19, 2009

[Pharo-project] Double draw??

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, I saw Damien's responses to my report of #localHostName troubles, and began a little fact checking for a follow up. That lead me to some browsing, in particular to senders of #primHostNameSize. I am running on Linux on an old machine and with an image having many of the same changes as in the recent "fast" image, but it's still not as snappy as one would want. That said, #testIPv6Echo is a long method, and when I select it in the senders list, I can see the code render in plain text and then a second time syntax highlighted. It makes me suspect that every method is rendered twice, and there might be a speed boost if we could go directly to the plain or colored source in one shot. I do not notice the double-draw with shorter methods. Note that the double-draw could be unique to Linux, possibly contributing to its sluggishness??? Bill

July 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Senders and implementors WAS: Pharo apparently slow on linux

by Damien Cassou

2009/7/18 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > I don't know you what I use senders and implementors everytime. Too > frecuently. Frecuently enought so that to put them in the first menu and not > insidethe "extended search".Â Don't you rather them to be in the first menu > ?? Why don't you use keyboard shortcuts if you use them often? ALT+m (iMplementors) ALT+n (seNders) -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

July 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] NetNameResolver

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K<bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > I noted some problems with NetNameResolver, and found the following: > > http://n2.nabble.com/NetNameResolver-problem-on-Linux-Ubuntu-9.04-td2805740… > > However, there are problems on Windows too - in fact, I suspect the following would be a defect on any platform: #localHostName uses #primHostNameSize (ipv6 specific, right??) "unprotected." Â Looking at the other methods, it should check #useOldNetwork, though I am confused about how it should act based on the result. Â Any suggestions? I confirm. I also have a problem with NetNameResolver on Windows. NetNameResolver localHostAddress fail in #primHostNameSize. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=961 -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

July 19, 2009