July 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Alexandre, Alexandre Bergel pravi: > 284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to > deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of > subscriptions gives a number at least. > How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know > there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? My company Eranova d.o.o. will use Pharo for commercial apps after the stability of images will achieve the acceptable level to run Aida/Web applications for a months without any crashes, not to mention any loss of data. I'm namely looking to Squeak and friends as a viable replacement for otherwise rock stable and reliable VW images, but so far no luck. I really hope Pharo will achieve such the stability as one of the main goals as well. I'm of course testing Pharo in the meantime and give sometimes more sometimes less critical feedback. Best regards Janko > I am preparing an academic presentation and having such figure will be > great. > > Kind regards, > Alexandre -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

July 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] FWD: [VM-Team] Suggested task list for VM-Team, summer 2009

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

do you know why alien is not listed? do you know if they plan more hash place for objects? I do not understand why FFI is important when I remember the comments of eliot on it. Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > see > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-July/002853.html > -- > GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear all, 284 people are subscribed to this mailing list. It is a bit hard to deduce how many users of Pharo there are, but the number of subscriptions gives a number at least. How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? I am preparing an academic presentation and having such figure will be great. Kind regards, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10381 and 10382

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I will sit with cyrille because he was developing in dev and we are in core. On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Please note that there are about 10 tests related to dictionaries that > fail now. > > Adrian > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 17:39 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Issue 962: remove BlockArgsNode KeyWordNode >> - Issue 463: SmallDictionary should not be a subclass of Set (and >> Dictionary) >> cleaner SmallDictionary + more tests >> - removing RBSmallDictionaryTests and MethodDictionaryTestBis'. >> >> Cyrille can you check on a core image that this is ok? >> Because you were using a dev one so lot of tests refered to classes >> not loaded (RB*....) >> >> Issue 443: Adrian and I have spent some time on fixing the bug. A fix >> has been produced: >> - Kernel-adrian_lienhard.358 in PharoInbox >> - Traits-Alexandre_Bergel.285 contains a test >> >> Now with the Traits package loaded :) >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10381 and 10382

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok I will fix that tomorrow. On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Some more notes: > > There are two new undeclared references: > - floatCollection in > IdentitySetTest>>identityCollectionWithElementsCopyNotIdentical > - ObservedProcess in MessageTally>>spyEvery:at:on: > > Adrian > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 21:46 , Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> Please note that there are about 10 tests related to dictionaries >> that >> fail now. >> >> Adrian >> >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 17:39 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> Issue 962: remove BlockArgsNode KeyWordNode >>> - Issue 463: SmallDictionary should not be a subclass of Set (and >>> Dictionary) >>> cleaner SmallDictionary + more tests >>> - removing RBSmallDictionaryTests and MethodDictionaryTestBis'. >>> >>> Cyrille can you check on a core image that this is ok? >>> Because you were using a dev one so lot of tests refered to classes >>> not loaded (RB*....) >>> >>> Issue 443: Adrian and I have spent some time on fixing the bug. A >>> fix >>> has been produced: >>> - Kernel-adrian_lienhard.358 in PharoInbox >>> - Traits-Alexandre_Bergel.285 contains a test >>> >>> Now with the Traits package loaded :) >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jul 20, 2009, at 7:39 PM, David Goehrig wrote: > Thanks Alexandre! > > This actually works in one of my images, after a few tweaks. I > finally figured out what was causing the issue and it had to do > with my old image had a half installed version of Mondrian that > couldn't unload. > > That said, Mondrian is conceptually so far away from what I'm aiming > for I'm not likely to ever use it :) Why? Because you can script your visualization and try all kind of them. Mondrian a visualisation engine. Soon with lumiere developed by fernando you will be able to script 3d objects. > > Dave > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > wrote: > > Doru spent already a lot of effort. > > me as well. > > Mondrian works on Pharo. Just doit: > > ScriptLoader new installer ss project: 'Mondrian'; install: > 'MondrianLoader'. (Smalltalk at: #MondrianLoader) perform: > #loadMondrian; perform: #loadMorphicAnnouncementFix > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > > > >> Hello David, > >> It seems you have an interesting tool. I have a couple of > >> questions about Territory, and may be you want to comment more > about > >> its internal architecture: > >> > >> -Do you use constraints solving techniques to find optimal > geometric > >> layouts? (or tried larger object graphs?) > >> -Are you using layout adjustment algorithms? (do you manage node > >> insertions or expansions repairing the layout dynamically?) > >> -Any form of soft relaxation or priority weights? > >> -It will support node aliasing? It will support labelling modes? > >> -Have you experimented with triangles or more general polygons? > >> -Do the visualization updates automatically when a user modify a > >> method in a browser? > >> -Do you use MudPie? It will include inheritance or loose method > >> dependencies? > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> > >> HernÃ¡n > >> > >> 2009/7/16 David Goehrig <dave(a)nexttolast.com> > >> Hey Pharoers, > >> > >> I've been working on a little project for the past couple days, and > >> now that I have something of a tangible result, I'm going to share > >> the first screen grab. > >> > >> What I've been working on is a visualization tool for analyzing the > >> relationships between Classes and the contents of their > >> CompiledMethods. > >> > >> In the attached screen shot, the TPureBehavior circle in the middle > >> is the root node, and all of the radial nodes are Classes referred > >> to by the CompiledMethods associated with TPureBehavior. Each of > >> these classes is bound to a literal in one of the CompiledMethods. > >> The radius of the circle is directly proportional to the number of > >> methods that Class has. IdentitySet has 2 compiled methods for > >> example, whereas ChangeSet has 124 methods. > >> > >> Once I get collapsing working, and add some trace lines (so that > >> when you've expanded and expanded and expanded it is obvious who is > >> connected to who), I'll post this code somewhere. But what is > >> incredible is how quickly things get really really deeply > >> interconnected things get. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> -- > >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://blog.dloh.org/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://blog.dloh.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10384 extraction of MorphicExtras

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks adrian Indeed it would be cool to harvest some of the best morphs. Stef On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > This update removes the MorphicExtras package. I had to spend quite > some effort to properly detangle it from the rest of the system... > > MorphicExtras contained examples and experimental (and some wicked) > morphs (in total 110 classes). The space gained is significant: 1.5MB. > If somebody is interested to recover and maintain parts of what I > removed, the package is available on SqueakSource [1]. > > If you experience problems, please report them as this update touched > a lot of different places inthe system. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > [1] www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras.html > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] FWD: [VM-Team] Suggested task list for VM-Team, summer 2009

by Torsten Bergmann

see http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2009-July/002853.html -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

July 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10384 extraction of MorphicExtras

by Adrian Lienhard

This update removes the MorphicExtras package. I had to spend quite some effort to properly detangle it from the rest of the system... MorphicExtras contained examples and experimental (and some wicked) morphs (in total 110 classes). The space gained is significant: 1.5MB. If somebody is interested to recover and maintain parts of what I removed, the package is available on SqueakSource [1]. If you experience problems, please report them as this update touched a lot of different places inthe system. Cheers, Adrian [1] www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras.html

July 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] 10381 and 10382

by Adrian Lienhard

Some more notes: There are two new undeclared references: - floatCollection in IdentitySetTest>>identityCollectionWithElementsCopyNotIdentical - ObservedProcess in MessageTally>>spyEvery:at:on: Adrian On Jul 20, 2009, at 21:46 , Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Please note that there are about 10 tests related to dictionaries that > fail now. > > Adrian > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 17:39 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Issue 962: remove BlockArgsNode KeyWordNode >> - Issue 463: SmallDictionary should not be a subclass of Set (and >> Dictionary) >> cleaner SmallDictionary + more tests >> - removing RBSmallDictionaryTests and MethodDictionaryTestBis'. >> >> Cyrille can you check on a core image that this is ok? >> Because you were using a dev one so lot of tests refered to classes >> not loaded (RB*....) >> >> Issue 443: Adrian and I have spent some time on fixing the bug. A fix >> has been produced: >> - Kernel-adrian_lienhard.358 in PharoInbox >> - Traits-Alexandre_Bergel.285 contains a test >> >> Now with the Traits package loaded :) >> >> Stef >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 20, 2009