July 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

by Alexandre Bergel

> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > wrote: > > Why? > Because you can script your visualization and try all kind of them. > Mondrian a visualisation engine. > Soon with lumiere developed by fernando you will be able to script 3d > objects. > > Because the tools I'm working on are more geared more towards live > editing of classes and object method dictionaries than modeling and > visualization. Mondrian provide advanced facilities for interaction. You can easily switch from one few to another, update the view after having selected an action. > For example, if a circle represents a class's method dictionary, > you can right click on it to see the list of messages associated > with its CompiledMethods. Then you can right click on any of the > CompiledMethods to bring up an editor, and alter the contents of the > method, recompile, and the relationships will change accordingly. > Similarly, you can reorganize methods by dragging and dropping them > into different classes, etc. dragging and dropping is currently not supported. Maybe this is a stopper. > The design and structure of Mondrian makes it terribly difficult to > produce that sort of interface without doing as much work as it > would to just write it from scratch :) There is a lack of documentation, for sure. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm a smalltalker doing the transition from Dolphin to Pharo (not an easy >> one). >> >> At work I use VSE and Dolphin since several years, and now I'm >> starting a personal project, which eventually will become commercial. >> >> After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to >> use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of >> several reasons. > > > would be nice to know them hehe > sorry...in another thread. > > > >> >> >> I hope to contribute in the future, by know I'm just getting aquainted >> back with some tools, some I already knew from when I used Squeak 3.1, >> and "the new" like Monticello, PackageInfo, OmniBrowser, and the >> frameworks like Magritte and Seaside. >> >> Regards, >> >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> >> >> 2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: >> > Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes >> > company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo. >> > This is an excellent news! >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > >> > >> > On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> > >> >>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I >> >>>> know >> >>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? >> >>> >> >>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. >> >> >> >> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I >> >> am essentially interested in a number here :-) >> >> >> >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'm a smalltalker doing the transition from Dolphin to Pharo (not an easy > one). > > At work I use VSE and Dolphin since several years, and now I'm > starting a personal project, which eventually will become commercial. > > After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to > use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of > several reasons. would be nice to know them hehe > > > I hope to contribute in the future, by know I'm just getting aquainted > back with some tools, some I already knew from when I used Squeak 3.1, > and "the new" like Monticello, PackageInfo, OmniBrowser, and the > frameworks like Magritte and Seaside. > > Regards, > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > > 2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > > Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes > > company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo. > > This is an excellent news! > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > >>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I > >>>> know > >>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? > >>> > >>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. > >> > >> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I > >> am essentially interested in a number here :-) > >> > >> Alexandre > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] KnownLands: a Class dependency explorer

by David Goehrig

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > Fernando told me that he wants to program in 3d its objects/class so I > imagine that what you want is > the "same" looking at browsing coding in a different way. Pretty much along those lines yes. What I'm working on is building the sorts of systems that work well for programming "in the round" where you cover the walls of your meeting room with projectors, and multiple groups of people can directly collaborate on code, test it, and run it right there. The classic code browser approach doesn't lend itself to multiple people editing and manipulating the code at the same time, it is designed for a single user on a screen with limited real estate. The other issue is that the browser environment hides too much complexity, and so it doesn't scale up when you can use gigantic displays with infinite virtual space. I've done 2 initial versions of the interface in Javascript and Forth, and am working on porting the environment to Pharo. I think Pharo Smalltalk + a new editor designed for tele-team programming would be a very compelling platform for a lot of distributed projects. The past few years, every project I've consulted for involved programmers in at least 5 time zones. Our tools really need to better reflect that reality. :) Dave -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://blog.dloh.org/

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I'm a smalltalker doing the transition from Dolphin to Pharo (not an easy one). At work I use VSE and Dolphin since several years, and now I'm starting a personal project, which eventually will become commercial. After many hesitations (I was reluctant to use Squeak) I decided to use Pharo for it and not Dolphin (my favorite Smalltalk), because of several reasons. I hope to contribute in the future, by know I'm just getting aquainted back with some tools, some I already knew from when I used Squeak 3.1, and "the new" like Monticello, PackageInfo, OmniBrowser, and the frameworks like Magritte and Seaside. Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo 2009/7/21 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>: > Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes > company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo. > This is an excellent news! > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >>>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I >>>> know >>>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? >>> >>> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. >> >> I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I >> am essentially interested in a number here :-) >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

gemtools aren't with pharo now? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Thanks for the replies! > > I've started a list at http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories > > Please contact me if your project is missing or if you like to change > your entry. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > On Jul 21, 2009, at 16:59 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > >>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I > >>> know > >>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? > >> > >> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. > > > > I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I > > am essentially interested in a number here :-) > > > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 21, 2009

[Pharo-project] Scamper

by Brian Mason

I've been trying to use scamper with no success. I've loaded the latest version from Monticello. Is there a later version? Is anyone supporting this?

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Adrian Lienhard

Thanks for the replies! I've started a list at http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories Please contact me if your project is missing or if you like to change your entry. Cheers, Adrian On Jul 21, 2009, at 16:59 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I >>> know >>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? >> >> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. > > I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I > am essentially interested in a number here :-) > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Alexandre Bergel

Ok, so there is approximately 11 commercial entities (which includes company, consultant, self-employed) using Pharo. This is an excellent news! Cheers, Alexandre On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:59, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I >>> know >>> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? >> >> Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. > > I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I > am essentially interested in a number here :-) > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Who are you?

by Alexandre Bergel

>> How many companies are using Pharo? Without thinking too much, I know >> there are Netstyle.ch and Pinesoft. Are there more? > > Yeah, several companies I am consulting are using it. I have no doubt Pharo is reliable enough to be used in production. I am essentially interested in a number here :-) Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 21, 2009