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Re: [Pharo-project] New Extensible Inspector for Pharo-Core

by Frederic Pluquet

It is obviously perfect for me :) I'll try soon to write a webpage to explain how to personalize easily this inspector (for personal needs). FrÃ©d ---- FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Assistant http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > I was wondering if we could remove explorer and viewexplorer and > replace them by your inspector? > Waht the people think? > > Stef > > On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Frederic Pluquet wrote: > > > It's done in the last version. > > > > Thanks for feedback :) > > > > FrÃ©d > > ---- > > FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet > > UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > > Assistant > > http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet > > > > > > 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> > > I would like to have a collection of the children to see them quickly. > > > > I think unfolding is only interesting to inspect a particular > > children. When I click on Methods or Implementors, I expect to see > > them rather than the object from which they are derived. > > > > > > Le 10-juin-09 Ã 12:09, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : > > > >> Yes because I wanted that :-) What do you propose to describe ? > >> Always the children ? > >> > >> FrÃ©d > >> ---- > >> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet > >> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > >> Assistant > >> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet > >> > >> > >> 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> > >> It happens as well for Implementors, Elements, ... > >> > >> > >> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 11:59, Antoine Marot a Ã©crit : > >> > >>> When I click on "Methods", the item displayed on the right is not > >>> the method dictionary but the parent object. > >>> > >>> Could you check that ? > >>> > >>> > >>> Antoine > >>> > >>> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 10:49, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : > >>> > >>>> I commited a new version of NewInspector, with new feartures : > >>>> > >>>> - add progress bar indicator when long collections are inspected > >>>> (no freeze feeling) > >>>> - limit the description string of collections to 5000 > >>>> characters(speed) > >>>> - add inst vars as direct children of an object (accessibility > >>>> and speed) > >>>> - children of first inspected object opened by default > >>>> (accessibility and speed) > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for your feedback ! > >>>> > >>>> FrÃ©d > >>>> ---- > >>>> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet > >>>> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > >>>> Assistant > >>>> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New Extensible Inspector for Pharo-Core

by Alexandre Bergel

I have been using NewInspector for a while but not in an intensive manner, and I am happy. Alexandre On 19 Jun 2009, at 09:44, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I was wondering if we could remove explorer and viewexplorer and > replace them by your inspector? > Waht the people think? > > Stef > > On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Frederic Pluquet wrote: > >> It's done in the last version. >> >> Thanks for feedback :) >> >> FrÃ©d >> ---- >> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet >> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) >> Assistant >> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet >> >> >> 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> >> I would like to have a collection of the children to see them >> quickly. >> >> I think unfolding is only interesting to inspect a particular >> children. When I click on Methods or Implementors, I expect to see >> them rather than the object from which they are derived. >> >> >> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 12:09, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : >> >>> Yes because I wanted that :-) What do you propose to describe ? >>> Always the children ? >>> >>> FrÃ©d >>> ---- >>> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet >>> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) >>> Assistant >>> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet >>> >>> >>> 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> >>> It happens as well for Implementors, Elements, ... >>> >>> >>> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 11:59, Antoine Marot a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> When I click on "Methods", the item displayed on the right is not >>>> the method dictionary but the parent object. >>>> >>>> Could you check that ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Antoine >>>> >>>> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 10:49, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> I commited a new version of NewInspector, with new feartures : >>>>> >>>>> - add progress bar indicator when long collections are inspected >>>>> (no freeze feeling) >>>>> - limit the description string of collections to 5000 >>>>> characters(speed) >>>>> - add inst vars as direct children of an object (accessibility >>>>> and speed) >>>>> - children of first inspected object opened by default >>>>> (accessibility and speed) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your feedback ! >>>>> >>>>> FrÃ©d >>>>> ---- >>>>> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet >>>>> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) >>>>> Assistant >>>>> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New Extensible Inspector for Pharo-Core

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I was wondering if we could remove explorer and viewexplorer and replace them by your inspector? Waht the people think? Stef On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Frederic Pluquet wrote: > It's done in the last version. > > Thanks for feedback :) > > FrÃ©d > ---- > FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet > UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > Assistant > http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet > > > 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> > I would like to have a collection of the children to see them quickly. > > I think unfolding is only interesting to inspect a particular > children. When I click on Methods or Implementors, I expect to see > them rather than the object from which they are derived. > > > Le 10-juin-09 Ã 12:09, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : > >> Yes because I wanted that :-) What do you propose to describe ? >> Always the children ? >> >> FrÃ©d >> ---- >> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet >> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) >> Assistant >> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet >> >> >> 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> >> It happens as well for Implementors, Elements, ... >> >> >> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 11:59, Antoine Marot a Ã©crit : >> >>> When I click on "Methods", the item displayed on the right is not >>> the method dictionary but the parent object. >>> >>> Could you check that ? >>> >>> >>> Antoine >>> >>> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 10:49, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> I commited a new version of NewInspector, with new feartures : >>>> >>>> - add progress bar indicator when long collections are inspected >>>> (no freeze feeling) >>>> - limit the description string of collections to 5000 >>>> characters(speed) >>>> - add inst vars as direct children of an object (accessibility >>>> and speed) >>>> - children of first inspected object opened by default >>>> (accessibility and speed) >>>> >>>> Thanks for your feedback ! >>>> >>>> FrÃ©d >>>> ---- >>>> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet >>>> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) >>>> Assistant >>>> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] how do I rename a package?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

cool! Stef On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> this is also my impression even if lukas will argue that we will lose >> the apckage history :) > > Hehe ... Maybe we can fix that package problem 4. July altogether? > > Lukas > >> >> On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >> >>> >>> I discovered to my astonishment that there is no contextual menu >>> item >>> in either the MC browser or the OB system browser to rename a >>> package! >>> >>> I know how to move all classes and methods from one package to >>> another >>> programmatically, but shouldn't there be a way to rename a package? >>> >>> http://scg.unibe.ch/wiki/faq/pharofaq/howToMoveCodeBetweenPackages >>> >>> Couldn't figure out how to do this. >>> >>> - on >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] how do I rename a package?

by Lukas Renggli

> this is also my impression even if lukas will argue that we will lose > the apckage history :) Hehe ... Maybe we can fix that package problem 4. July altogether? Lukas > > On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > >> >> I discovered to my astonishment that there is no contextual menu item >> in either the MC browser or the OB system browser to rename a package! >> >> I know how to move all classes and methods from one package to another >> programmatically, but shouldn't there be a way to rename a package? >> >> http://scg.unibe.ch/wiki/faq/pharofaq/howToMoveCodeBetweenPackages >> >> Couldn't figure out how to do this. >> >> - on >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New Extensible Inspector for Pharo-Core

by Frederic Pluquet

It's done in the last version. Thanks for feedback :) FrÃ©d ---- FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Assistant http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> > I would like to have a collection of the children to see them quickly. > I think unfolding is only interesting to inspect a particular children. > When I click on Methods or Implementors, I expect to see them rather than > the object from which they are derived. > > > Le 10-juin-09 Ã 12:09, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : > > Yes because I wanted that :-) What do you propose to describe ? Always the > children ? > FrÃ©d > ---- > FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet > UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) > Assistant > http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet > > > 2009/6/10 Antoine Marot <amarot(a)ulb.ac.be> > >> It happens as well for Implementors, Elements, ... >> >> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 11:59, Antoine Marot a Ã©crit : >> >> When I click on "Methods", the item displayed on the right is not the >> method dictionary but the parent object. >> Could you check that ? >> >> >> Antoine >> >> Le 10-juin-09 Ã 10:49, Frederic Pluquet a Ã©crit : >> >> I commited a new version of NewInspector, with new feartures : >> - add progress bar indicator when long collections are inspected (no >> freeze feeling) >> - limit the description string of collections to 5000 characters(speed) >> - add inst vars as direct children of an object (accessibility and speed) >> - children of first inspected object opened by default (accessibility and >> speed) >> >> Thanks for your feedback ! >> >> FrÃ©d >> ---- >> FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet >> UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) >> Assistant >> http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] NewInspector

by Frederic Pluquet

Fixed in the last version. Thanks for feedback Alex. FrÃ©d ---- FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Assistant http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Alexandre Bergel < Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi! > > When I right-click in the workspace panel of a newinspector I get a > rollback 'The getMenuSelector must be a 1- or 2-keyword symbol' > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Making pharo more tdd oriented

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I should say that I hate the popups "do you want to do that or remove this variable but wait it is assigned tooo." May be we should have a menu clean code! but for now let is accept it > Hi, > I have made some changes to pharo to make it more tdd oriented. I > want to share them with you to know your opinion and then make the > code public. > The changes I made are: > > 1) When there is an error, the debugger opens directly. Reason: I > found that I always press Debug when an error occurs in the Notifier > window. Question: Should this option be a preference? I'm not sure in fact because when you are not in TDD you just often close the predebug. but we could change. > 2) The debugger opens in a big window. Reason: I always want to > debug! and I want to see as much as possible when debugging. Before > I found myself making the debugger window bigger all the time larger but not to big :) > 3) When compiling a method that sends a message not defined, it does > not ask anymore if I want to change it. Reason: When doing TDD we > work top-down, so we are always sending messages that are not > defined and that we are going to define when running the test. > Question: Should this option be a preference? No preference. Now if the system could guess typos :) > 4) I added an option to save and run the test from the code pane of > the omni browser (ctr+t). If the test fails, opens a debugger to fix > it. Reason: It is very handful Yes right now when you do alt-t you run the test but you cannot get a debugger on them. I would love to click to run the tests get a small widgets with the result of the execution and that I can rerun or get a debugger on the tests. > 5) I added an option to save and step a test from the code pane of > the omni browser (ctrl+r). Reason: It is very handful (Problem: The > debugger does not work well with breakpoints...) > 6) I added a debugCase: message to TestResult and make some changes > to the omni browser to show the result of debugging a test. Reason: > Before, when debugging a test the browser was showing the test as > not runned. sounds interesting > 7) When running a test, the defualtAction of the MessageNotUndertood > exception will ask you if you want to implement the method (if the > receiver is not nil) so you don't have to select that option from > the debugger stack list menu. Reason: When running a test 95% of the > time a message not understood will be implemented and answering yes > or no is easier that going to the stack menu of the debugger to > select the option implement. in Squeak we could show the class and its superclass. > > What do you think? Comments welcome. > Bye, > Hernan. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] how do I rename a package?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this is also my impression even if lukas will argue that we will lose the apckage history :) On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > I discovered to my astonishment that there is no contextual menu item > in either the MC browser or the OB system browser to rename a package! > > I know how to move all classes and methods from one package to another > programmatically, but shouldn't there be a way to rename a package? > > http://scg.unibe.ch/wiki/faq/pharofaq/howToMoveCodeBetweenPackages > > Couldn't figure out how to do this. > > - on > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 19, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Making pharo more tdd oriented

by Denis Kudriashov

1) When there is an error, the debugger opens directly. Reason: I found that > I always press Debug when an error occurs in the Notifier window. Question: > Should this option be a preference? > I like VW behavior. There are three buttons: debug, run, step. When I do debug and there is an error in some test, the debugger opens directly. And when I press debugger proceed, tests continue execution. When I do run, all failed tests are collected to the list. And button "show failed" appears. When I do step the debugger open on the begin of test. I think it is ideal browser behavior for TDD support. In some squeak version (maiby 3.8) there is special services fo this. But now it is absent

June 19, 2009