June 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] FasterSets

by Damien Cassou

2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > are all of these things stored somewhere apart from this mailing list ? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=1&q=label%3AMilestone-1.1 -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Damien Cassou

2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? I >> don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :)Â As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a windows on > the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

June 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint in Berne, Switzerland

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi all, We are going to do a Pharo sprint in Bern on Saturday, July 4. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints Please add yourself to the list if you plan to attend (or send me a mail so I can add you). The main goal is to get closer to a first beta release. If you wish to work on other stuff, e.g., OmniBrowser, please propose this here so we can organize a bit in advance. Cheers, Adrian ___________________ http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] FasterSets

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > I would really like to assess FasterSets for Pharo1.1 > are all of these things stored somewhere apart from this mailing list ? I saw http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Milestones but it is quite old Mariano > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Ralph Boland <rpboland(a)gmail.com> > > Date: June 25, 2009 8:30:13 PM CEDT > > To: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > Subject: Re: about fasterTests > > > > 2009/6/25 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >> we are interest to get better libraries in pharo. > >> If you want to join and help making sure that your code in > >> integrated in > >> pharo1.1 > >> please say it and may be join the pharo mailing-list. > >> > >> Stef > >> > > > > Yes, I would like my code 'FasterSets' added to Pharo. > > I joined the pharo mailing list. > > Today I will mail you my MIT license release. > > Probably will take a couple of weeks (From Calgary, Canada) to get > > there. > > Once I am added as a contributer I will release my code to Pharo for > > verification. > > In the meantime if any Squeakers try out my code and report bugs I > > will fix them > > before releasing to Pharo. > > > > Some comments: > > > > 1) Since FasterSets modifies low level methods in class Set and its > > subclasses it > > may be incompatible with packages that create subclasses of Set > > and then > > override low level methods. If someone could send me a list of > > package add-ons > > to Pharo that do this then I can download them and make any > > modifications > > necessary for them to run with FasterSets and make these changes > > part of my > > release. Note that it is no more difficult to subclass from Set > > with FasterSets > > than without; it is just different and only different if you do > > low level things. > > > > 2) FasterSets uses a method 'noCompareOrGrowAdd:' which adds > > an element to a set without doing compares or growing the set. > > Needless to say it is a private method. > > I also have a public method 'nastyAddNew:' which, like > > 'noCompareOrGrowAdd:' adds an element to a set without checking > > if the > > element is already there but does do a grow if needed. > > This is useful (i.e. faster) in situations where you KNOW the > > object > > you are adding to a set is not there already. > > However if the object IS already there then you now have two > > of them in your set; i.e. you now have a subtle bug. > > I use 'nastyAddNew:' in my code but never made it a part of > > FasterSets > > because it is questionable whether or not such a method should be > > available generally. However, if I can decide I like the > > 'nastyAddNew:' > > method and am willing to use it despite its risks so can others > > so there > > is an argument for it being added. > > While my expectation is that you don't want 'nastyAddNew:' in > > Pharo > > I thought you should at least be aware of it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ralph Boland > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > On Jun 25, 2009, at 19:00 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > >> - window controls are just the opposite and on the opposite side of > >> the > >> default one on Linux! This is very annoying and really a show-stopper > >> IMO, on Linux and also Windows. Can you auto setup the other > >> look@feel > >> by default here, as you did for swapMouse? > > > > > > I would really appreciate this feature also. As I don't use Mac this > > is > > weird for me. > > Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? I > don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on the right. So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Greetings, Mariano > > Adrian > > ___________________ > http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Adrian Lienhard

On Jun 25, 2009, at 19:00 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> - window controls are just the opposite and on the opposite side of >> the >> default one on Linux! This is very annoying and really a show-stopper >> IMO, on Linux and also Windows. Can you auto setup the other >> look@feel >> by default here, as you did for swapMouse? > > > I would really appreciate this feature also. As I don't use Mac this > is > weird for me. Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). Adrian ___________________ http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Moving code: SIF, something else?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Cam, The tools exist, but some/most are orphaned at this point, or at least give that appearance. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Cameron Sanders Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:11 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Moving code: SIF, something else? So there *are* tools to help with these imports? What about helping flag invocations of initialize and more subtle differences in base classes? -Cam On Jun 25, 2009, at 2:50 PM, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > IIRC I used Rosetta (by Joseph Pelrine) a few years back to move code > from Dolphin to Squeak. Even made a small fix to handle "!" inside > comments. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

normally yes. cmd-X and remove may be it was removed by error On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > So there will no way to simply remove a method? I am a big fan of > the RB, until if feels the need to rewrite my code, at which point I > _usually_ say thanks, but NO. Beyond preferences for formatting, > respect for placement of comments, etc., removing code can be the > ultimate expression of changing, not simply refactoring code; the > latter at least started out as behavior-preserving transformations. > The RB is a great tool for what it does, but it is not the ultimate > answer to editing; I respectfully urge that we should not mistake it > for such. > > Apologies if I have let my hair trigger get bumped on this one :) > > Bill > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:51 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > > > > 2009/6/25 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > Mariano Martinez Peck pravi: > > > Know anyone a quick and dirty way how to remove methods in > this Pharo? > > Some keyboard shortcut? I really need to delete some methods > just > > spotted in my code... > > > > > > My experience is that right click -> refactor method -> remove > sometimes > > doesn't work. So, I use right click -> various -> remove method. > > This one is just too hidden ... :) > > Yes. I think because it will then be removed. But I use it because, > as I said, with the other option sometimes I have problems. > > > > > Thanks > Janko > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > AIDA/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Moving code: SIF, something else?

by Cameron Sanders

So there *are* tools to help with these imports? What about helping flag invocations of initialize and more subtle differences in base classes? -Cam On Jun 25, 2009, at 2:50 PM, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > IIRC I used Rosetta (by Joseph Pelrine) a few years back to move code > from Dolphin to Squeak. Even made a small fix to handle "!" inside > comments.

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

So there will no way to simply remove a method? I am a big fan of the RB, until if feels the need to rewrite my code, at which point I _usually_ say thanks, but NO. Beyond preferences for formatting, respect for placement of comments, etc., removing code can be the ultimate expression of changing, not simply refactoring code; the latter at least started out as behavior-preserving transformations. The RB is a great tool for what it does, but it is not the ultimate answer to editing; I respectfully urge that we should not mistake it for such. Apologies if I have let my hair trigger get bumped on this one :) Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:51 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si<mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> Mariano Martinez Peck pravi: > Know anyone a quick and dirty way how to remove methods in this Pharo? > Some keyboard shortcut? I really need to delete some methods just > spotted in my code... > > > My experience is that right click -> refactor method -> remove sometimes > doesn't work. So, I use right click -> various -> remove method. This one is just too hidden ... :) Yes. I think because it will then be removed. But I use it because, as I said, with the other option sometimes I have problems. Thanks Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 25, 2009