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Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Faster Sets Project: Response to comments.

by Damien Pollet

We have a huge set of tests for the collections in the package CollectionsTests (at http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoInbox.html ). They test external behavior, so they should be rather abstract compared to tests of particular implementations. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 15:13, Damien Cassou<damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> can this be of interest? > > I think so: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=902&can=1&q=faster%20sets&c… > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Gary, I think the correct answer is to have "meta theme" that does the expected thing on each platform. If that is the selected theme, then it notes the platform and tries to adapt, but it still allows a user to choose a specific theme for performance, personal preference, etc. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gary Chambers Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:24 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 +1 for getting perfomance better. Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, sluggishness before image save. I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Gary Chambers

It is entirely possible... Personally I'd like to hold off introducing any more preferences until we've all migrated to settings... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano Martinez Peck To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... For me it has no sense to make different themes for different platform. What I would do, at least in this case, is to make the part of the theme that shows the windows control, platform dependent (like swapMouseButtons). Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the > default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each > startup... > For me it has no sense to make different themes for different platform. What I would do, at least in this case, is to make the part of the theme that shows the windows control, platform dependent (like swapMouseButtons). > > Just a few thoughts. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > > Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that > would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use > any > theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts > (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. > > <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it > takes > to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes > is > selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? > >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > > the right. > > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. > > Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular > by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Gary Chambers

+1 for getting perfomance better. Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, sluggishness before image save. I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that > would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any > theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts > (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. > > <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it > takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful > themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> It's a matter of effort. This change seems to be too much simpler compared to performance one. If the problems for performance were easy it would have been already fixed. > > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? > >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. > > Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular > by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :)Â As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] looking for a smart smalltalker for a PhD

by Noury Bouraqadi

Hi, The PhD Position will be on Software Dynamic Remodularization for Embedded Systems. We particularly target applications in mobile robotics http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/robotics Attached the description of the PhD position. Noury On 16 juin 09, at 16:15, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi all > > We are looking for a (smart) (smalltalker) to work on a phd in the > topic of: > Extreme-bound deployement for dynamic languages > > the idea is how can we blow away images and have a mini kernel that > depending on > what is happening will load unload parts of an image and reconfigure > itself dynamically. > > with me/noury/marcus and others > > A clearer description is to come :) > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > Noury Bouraqadi http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/noury/ -------------- -ESUG 17th International Smalltalk Conference - Brest, France, August 31 - September 4, 2009 http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2009 -17Ã¨mes JournÃ©es Francophones sur les SystÃ¨mes Multi-Agents (JFSMAâ09). Lyon, 19-21 Octobre 2009 http://bat710.univ-lyon1.fr/~sycosma/JFSMA09/

June 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] update to OCompletion

by Romain Robbes

Dear Pharo users, I fixed a few things in OCompletion: -When completing class names, performance should be improved when scrolling the list of possibilities. -Pressing tab when there are no matches in the cache of recently used entries will bring up the normal completion menu. -Fixed issue when on rare occasions the selected item in the menu would be out of sync with the entries and cause a walkback. As always, OCompletion is available at: Installer squeaksource project: 'OCompletion'; install: 'OCLoader' Cheers, Romain -- Romain Robbes http://www.inf.unisi.ch/phd/robbes

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] FasterSets

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We should clean it. Stef On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > wrote: > I would really like to assess FasterSets for Pharo1.1 > > are all of these things stored somewhere apart from this mailing > list ? > > I saw http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Milestones > > but it is quite old > > Mariano > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Ralph Boland <rpboland(a)gmail.com> > > Date: June 25, 2009 8:30:13 PM CEDT > > To: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > Subject: Re: about fasterTests > > > > 2009/6/25 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >> we are interest to get better libraries in pharo. > >> If you want to join and help making sure that your code in > >> integrated in > >> pharo1.1 > >> please say it and may be join the pharo mailing-list. > >> > >> Stef > >> > > > > Yes, I would like my code 'FasterSets' added to Pharo. > > I joined the pharo mailing list. > > Today I will mail you my MIT license release. > > Probably will take a couple of weeks (From Calgary, Canada) to get > > there. > > Once I am added as a contributer I will release my code to Pharo for > > verification. > > In the meantime if any Squeakers try out my code and report bugs I > > will fix them > > before releasing to Pharo. > > > > Some comments: > > > > 1) Since FasterSets modifies low level methods in class Set and its > > subclasses it > > may be incompatible with packages that create subclasses of Set > > and then > > override low level methods. If someone could send me a list of > > package add-ons > > to Pharo that do this then I can download them and make any > > modifications > > necessary for them to run with FasterSets and make these > changes > > part of my > > release. Note that it is no more difficult to subclass from Set > > with FasterSets > > than without; it is just different and only different if you do > > low level things. > > > > 2) FasterSets uses a method 'noCompareOrGrowAdd:' which adds > > an element to a set without doing compares or growing the set. > > Needless to say it is a private method. > > I also have a public method 'nastyAddNew:' which, like > > 'noCompareOrGrowAdd:' adds an element to a set without checking > > if the > > element is already there but does do a grow if needed. > > This is useful (i.e. faster) in situations where you KNOW the > > object > > you are adding to a set is not there already. > > However if the object IS already there then you now have two > > of them in your set; i.e. you now have a subtle bug. > > I use 'nastyAddNew:' in my code but never made it a part of > > FasterSets > > because it is questionable whether or not such a method should > be > > available generally. However, if I can decide I like the > > 'nastyAddNew:' > > method and am willing to use it despite its risks so can others > > so there > > is an argument for it being added. > > While my expectation is that you don't want 'nastyAddNew:' in > > Pharo > > I thought you should at least be aware of it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ralph Boland > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009