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Re: [Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10309 with antialiased fonts

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I lunged at Pharo in hopes of escaping the exception, but went to Linux, not macs. So I am trying to leave a platform whete it should be off and moving to one where it should be on. Perhaps the correct solution is to give Pharo something that Andreas Raab nicely, elequently, and firmly (seriously, I mean it) explained to me that Squeak simply does not have, and that is session awareness. Dolphin "knows" when it wakes up and goes to sleep, and can act on each. There are high level and subclassable session manager classes for console and graphical applications, including a spcial one for the IDE itself. The startup is broken into phases with hooks along the way. More recent versions trigger events vs. requiring overrides in some situations. The network classes know when to initialize themselves, etc. I have noticed some of this starting to creep into Squeak/Pharo, but my (about time, huh?) point is that with these features, the image could detect the platform on startup and "do the right thing" for the platform. One could also set defaults into the VMs, but that is a bit harder to change quickly. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Hilaire Fernandes Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:32 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10309 with antialiased fonts Just take the point of view of the user, then the answer will be obvious ;-) Hilaire 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > This is ok for me the swapMouseButtons so what the other think? > > Stef > > On May 20, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Damien Pollet wrote: > >> I use nearly the same script, except with the sans fonts, and a >> couple settings: >> >> Preferences >> Â Â Â enable: #halosEnabled; >> Â Â Â enable: #swapMouseButtons; >> Â Â Â disable: #gradientMenu. >> >> Most important to me is swapMouseButtons, because it puts menus back >> on the correct button. Apparently this setting is needed on macs and >> linux, so by the magic of (possibly biased) numbers, the exception is >> windows. Can we have #swapMouseButtons enabled by default ? >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:45, Damien Cassou >> <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> That looks great, though I would prefer a sans-serif font (DejaVu >>>> Sans) instead of a serif font (DejaVu Serif) in the UI. >>>> Serif fonts add too much noise on the screen and are typically used >>>> in print only, not in user interfaces. >>> >>> If people agree with this, I can change that. The script I currently >>> use is the following one. If you have ideas on how to improve it, >>> please tell me. >>> >>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' pointSize: 10. >>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' pointSize: 9. >>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' pointSize: 11. >>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: font. >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >>> popular by not having them." James Iry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Damien Pollet >> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Swap mouse buttons (was New Pharo based on core 10309...)

by Michael Rueger

Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > Hi Stef, > > StÃ©phane Ducasse pravi: >> But I have no idea. >> I do not use a mouse most of the time in pharo. >> So tell me. > > Obvious answer is: mouse must just work! > > This means that Pharo must detect on which platform it runs and swap > mouse buttons accordingly. > > Is there any technical problem that this is not done yet? Detection of a > platform? But Sport portability lib has it and it runs well! Ok, just > SpEnvironment class>>#onWindows and #onUnix, once we need to add #onMac > too... in Pharo we a OSPlatform class where do the platform detection. Question is what the mappings for different mice on each platform need to be. One, two, three button, two with scrollwheel... Michael

May 21, 2009

[Pharo-project] Swap mouse buttons (was New Pharo based on core 10309...)

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Stef, StÃ©phane Ducasse pravi: > But I have no idea. > I do not use a mouse most of the time in pharo. > So tell me. Obvious answer is: mouse must just work! This means that Pharo must detect on which platform it runs and swap mouse buttons accordingly. Is there any technical problem that this is not done yet? Detection of a platform? But Sport portability lib has it and it runs well! Ok, just SpEnvironment class>>#onWindows and #onUnix, once we need to add #onMac too... Janko > On May 21, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Just take the point of view of the user, then the answer will be >> obvious ;-) >> >> Hilaire >> >> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> This is ok for me the swapMouseButtons >>> so what the other think? >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On May 20, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Damien Pollet wrote: >>> >>>> I use nearly the same script, except with the sans fonts, and a >>>> couple settings: >>>> >>>> Preferences >>>> enable: #halosEnabled; >>>> enable: #swapMouseButtons; -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph

by Carlos Crosetti

will be sending the signed license agreement by surfacee mail before friday COB -----Mensaje original----- De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de Stephane Ducasse Enviado el: Jueves, 21 de Mayo de 2009 07:09 a.m. Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph OK But if we do not do that then it will be lost. So I will probably create PharoOrphansPackage Then I would really like if you can sign the license agreement :) Stef On May 21, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > Stef, just made a few small changes to PlotMorph available at > map.squeak.org > and made it work into a fresh pharo image. I am considering using > plotMorph > as it is, and the changes were necessary to be run, but I haveno > special > interest in opening nor leaing a project. > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de > Stephane Ducasse > Enviado el: Jueves, 21 de Mayo de 2009 04:54 a.m. > Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph > > > Thanks carlos > > Now the question: > - did you sign the license agreement? > Please do. > - do you know if there is a project for PlotMorph? > > Stef > > On May 21, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > >> Fixed to run from Pharo. Attached, regards, Carlos<Plot- >> Morph.st>_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: > 30/04/2009 > 05:53 p.m. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 30/04/2009 05:53 p.m.

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] SGrid

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

As I said having good widgets is cool. So plotMorph and SGRid are important to my eyes. Stef On May 21, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > SGRid at squeakmap > > http://map.squeak.org/package/ae5a360a-ee21-4091-a52d-1f69c87dbd67 > > works in pharo, but quite not stable, probably fixing more accurate > in this > case .... > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de > Stephane Ducasse > Enviado el: Jueves, 21 de Mayo de 2009 04:55 a.m. > Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] SGrid > > > what is SGrid? > Porting from? > Any effort in providing new cool widgets to pharo is really important. > I can test but other than that my plate is full. > > Stef > >> Anyone willing to collaborate in porting and testing SGrid out there? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: > 30/04/2009 > 05:53 p.m. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

OK But if we do not do that then it will be lost. So I will probably create PharoOrphansPackage Then I would really like if you can sign the license agreement :) Stef On May 21, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > Stef, just made a few small changes to PlotMorph available at > map.squeak.org > and made it work into a fresh pharo image. I am considering using > plotMorph > as it is, and the changes were necessary to be run, but I haveno > special > interest in opening nor leaing a project. > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de > Stephane Ducasse > Enviado el: Jueves, 21 de Mayo de 2009 04:54 a.m. > Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph > > > Thanks carlos > > Now the question: > - did you sign the license agreement? > Please do. > - do you know if there is a project for PlotMorph? > > Stef > > On May 21, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > >> Fixed to run from Pharo. Attached, regards, Carlos<Plot- >> Morph.st>_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: > 30/04/2009 > 05:53 p.m. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] New Pharo based on core 10309 with antialiased fonts

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

But I have no idea. I do not use a mouse most of the time in pharo. So tell me. On May 21, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Just take the point of view of the user, then the answer will be > obvious ;-) > > Hilaire > > 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> This is ok for me the swapMouseButtons >> so what the other think? >> >> Stef >> >> On May 20, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Damien Pollet wrote: >> >>> I use nearly the same script, except with the sans fonts, and a >>> couple settings: >>> >>> Preferences >>> enable: #halosEnabled; >>> enable: #swapMouseButtons; >>> disable: #gradientMenu. >>> >>> Most important to me is swapMouseButtons, because it puts menus back >>> on the correct button. Apparently this setting is needed on macs and >>> linux, so by the magic of (possibly biased) numbers, the exception >>> is >>> windows. Can we have #swapMouseButtons enabled by default ? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:45, Damien Cassou >>> <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> That looks great, though I would prefer a sans-serif font (DejaVu >>>>> Sans) instead of a serif font (DejaVu Serif) in the UI. >>>>> Serif fonts add too much noise on the screen and are typically >>>>> used in >>>>> print only, not in user interfaces. >>>> >>>> If people agree with this, I can change that. The script I >>>> currently >>>> use is the following one. If you have ideas on how to improve it, >>>> please tell me. >>>> >>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' pointSize: 10. >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' pointSize: >>>> 9. >>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' pointSize: 11. >>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: font. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >>>> popular by not having them." James Iry >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Pollet >>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] SGrid

by Carlos Crosetti

SGRid at squeakmap http://map.squeak.org/package/ae5a360a-ee21-4091-a52d-1f69c87dbd67 works in pharo, but quite not stable, probably fixing more accurate in this case .... -----Mensaje original----- De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de Stephane Ducasse Enviado el: Jueves, 21 de Mayo de 2009 04:55 a.m. Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] SGrid what is SGrid? Porting from? Any effort in providing new cool widgets to pharo is really important. I can test but other than that my plate is full. Stef > Anyone willing to collaborate in porting and testing SGrid out there? > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 30/04/2009 05:53 p.m.

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph

by Carlos Crosetti

Stef, just made a few small changes to PlotMorph available at map.squeak.org and made it work into a fresh pharo image. I am considering using plotMorph as it is, and the changes were necessary to be run, but I haveno special interest in opening nor leaing a project. -----Mensaje original----- De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de Stephane Ducasse Enviado el: Jueves, 21 de Mayo de 2009 04:54 a.m. Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph Thanks carlos Now the question: - did you sign the license agreement? Please do. - do you know if there is a project for PlotMorph? Stef On May 21, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > Fixed to run from Pharo. Attached, regards, Carlos<Plot- > Morph.st>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 30/04/2009 05:53 p.m.

May 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] PlotMorph

by Serge Stinckwich

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:53 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Thanks carlos > > Now the question: > Â Â Â Â - did you sign the license agreement? > Â Â Â Â Please do. > Â Â Â Â - do you know if there is a project for PlotMorph? The project is available on SqueakMap : http://map.squeak.org/package/5cd32afa-b24b-46b9-884e-7940d642b0d6 -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

May 21, 2009