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[Pharo-project] Fwd: Pier-EmailSender and "Contact Us"

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > marcus told me once that scriptloader was already getting a big > class with a lot of method. > For now I do not have something else than removing all tests and > scriptloader. > I removed a lot of bookMorph but still it is hanging there :) > > Stef > > On May 5, 2009, at 5:53 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > >> No, the intent is preserve the images as they are shipped see >> >> http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/ST80Docs.html >> & >> http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/SqueakDocs.html >> >> However if you have a script that removals all the *extra* things >> that people could run for server images that would be helpful at >> least to me, >> I realize that most folks don't care about 8MB, but on tiny devices >> that 8MB is golden... >> >> >> On 5-May-09, at 1:28 AM, stÃ©phane ducasse wrote: >> >>> John >>> >>> for your images did you remove tests and other unnecessary stuff? >>> The 10300 is 12.7mb without removing all kind of crap like the >>> scriptLoader and the tests. >>> I hope that we will be able to slowly get more and more modular: >>> once project/bookmorph are gone. >>> I imagine (did not read carefully the details of we got about the >>> chase of the unclosed handles) >>> that the startup behavior could be also improved. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On May 5, 2009, at 10:17 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: >>> >>>> Tsk, well I was off to bed, but thought I should make some notes. >>>> >>>> Last night I push out two electronic books showing smalltalk-80 >>>> based source code to Apple for iPhone review. >>>> One was based on the latest pharo of end of april 09 with >>>> closures the other based on the sq3.10.2-719web09.04.1.zip no >>>> closures. >>>> The two e-books apps are identical except for the code base. >>>> >>>> I dropped the wikiserver stuff into both, happy since the changes >>>> required were non-existent for pharo and one or two for sq3.10.2 >>>> >>>> (a) The sq3.10.2 version was missing some of the extra add-on >>>> Pier stuff, and has the LGPL Swazoo which makes some folks run >>>> for the fire exit. >>>> >>>> (b) The pharo image is 20.2 mb, the sq3.10.2 is 25.2 mb, so 5MB >>>> bigger. >>>> >>>> (c) The pharo image needed about 35mb of ram to be happy, the sq >>>> 3.10.2 about 40mb >>>> (c2) The pharo image ramps to the welcome screen using 19.23 mb >>>> ram, 97.12mb virtual >>>> (c3) The sq 3.10.2 image ramps using 19.05mb and 102.12 virtual. >>>> This makes sense because I avoid a full gc and doing >>>> allInstances, so the code base is really startup logic and seaside. >>>> (I had to fix the sq 3.10.2 image because of ignored bug using >>>> allInstances I reported years back, never fixed, but fixed in >>>> pharo last fall). >>>> >>>> (d) The pharo image needs 2.6 to 6.6% cpu on the iphone at idle, >>>> the sq 3.10.2 needs 8 to 18% >>>> (to be fair here I could bring some fixes into the 3.10.2 image >>>> to reduce the cpu time, but really those fixes should have gone >>>> in years ago...) >>>> >>>> (e) The sq 3.10.2 book feels sluggish. the pharo less so. So the >>>> sq 3.10.2 excessive CPU usage is the usability killer here. >>>> >>>> To be fair WikiServer is happy with 20MB of ram with a 10.5MB >>>> image size, and runs with a 0 to 0.9% cpu usage at idle, starup >>>> ram of 11.69, virtual memory of 90.34 >>>> Lots of hours to get there.. >>>> >>>> PS I see the etoys image is only 16.4 MB, well that doesn't >>>> include seaside etc, but if you need that you should start with >>>> etoys as the base and add pier and seaside, less bloated I'd >>>> guess, and supported for that etoy feature set you need? >> >> = >> = >> = >> = >> = >> = >> ===================================================================== >> John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: >> squeaker68882 >> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com >> = >> = >> = >> = >> = >> = >> ===================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

why don't you define a displayString for your user and keep printOn: for the debugger. In VW this is like that. Stef On May 5, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: > Hi Mariano, > > I think the problem is that since #localize is not implemented the > system stops working because it depends on String>>printOn: > (considering that source code is a string too...). > > Yes. I think this is the reason. > > If you first > implement #localize and then implement #printOn: it seems to work ok. > > I tried that and works ok. > > > In any case, overriding String>>printOn: does not seem to be a good > idea. > > Yes. I know. But, there is a reason. I need to get int18 in Pier > components because my final user (spanish) will do thing with Pier, > like posting, and I need to have it in Spanish. I thought I could > override String >> printOn: so that translate to spanish. > However, I couldn't test this solution. I was going to tested and > then send an email to Pier list and see if there is a better > solution for this. I don't want to touch Pier code. > > Thanks for your concern about that ;) > > > HTH, > Adrian > > On May 5, 2009, at 17:52 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the > > steps I am > > doing > > > > 1) open OB. > > 2) go to String class, method printOn: > > 3) modify printOn: to this: > > > > printOn: aStream > > "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." > > > > self size < 100 > > ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] > > ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] > > > > 4) save it and put initials if asked. > > 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore > > it and > > select localize (the first option) > > 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. > > It can > > be just empty this method. > > 7) try to save > > 8) your image may be freeze :) > > > > > > Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I > > was at > > home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > > > >>> Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an > >>> image, > >>> to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > >>> I need more!! :) > >>> > >>> :) But does this happen also to you ? > >> > >> > >> In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: > >> String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo > >> => 60 > >> > >> Something more you want me to test ? > >> > >> Alexandre > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Mariano > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best regards, > >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

woops this is strange and I'm sorry for that. On my 300 is has no effect just compiles it. Stef On May 5, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > No matter which method I try to add. > > Is this happening only to me ? > > I am using pharo core 10300 and exupery vm on ubuntu. > > Cheers, > > Mariano > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 5, 2009

[Pharo-project] UIManager default informUserDuring: -> DNU (10300)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

UIManager default informUserDuring: [:bar | #(one two three) do: [ :info | bar value: info. (Delay forSeconds: 1)]] leads to an error. Apparently barValue does not like to be a symbol. Stef

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > The localize method is present neither in .dev image nor in a core. No. I was creating it. However, what I reported happens with any selector name. Choose any other name instead of localize and you will get the same problem! Thanks for the help! Mariano > > > Alexandre > > > On 5 May 2009, at 17:52, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the > > steps I am doing > > > > 1) open OB. > > 2) go to String class, method printOn: > > 3) modify printOn: to this: > > > > printOn: aStream > > "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." > > > > self size < 100 > > ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] > > ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] > > > > 4) save it and put initials if asked. > > 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore > > it and select localize (the first option) > > 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. > > It can be just empty this method. > > 7) try to save > > 8) your image may be freeze :) > > > > > > Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I > > was at home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > > Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an > > image, > > > to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > > > I need more!! :) > > > > > > :) But does this happen also to you ? > > > > > > In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: > > String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo > > => 60 > > > > Something more you want me to test ? > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Hi Mariano, > > I think the problem is that since #localize is not implemented the > system stops working because it depends on String>>printOn: > (considering that source code is a string too...). Yes. I think this is the reason. > If you first > implement #localize and then implement #printOn: it seems to work ok. I tried that and works ok. > > In any case, overriding String>>printOn: does not seem to be a good > idea. Yes. I know. But, there is a reason. I need to get int18 in Pier components because my final user (spanish) will do thing with Pier, like posting, and I need to have it in Spanish. I thought I could override String >> printOn: so that translate to spanish. However, I couldn't test this solution. I was going to tested and then send an email to Pier list and see if there is a better solution for this. I don't want to touch Pier code. Thanks for your concern about that ;) > HTH, > Adrian > > On May 5, 2009, at 17:52 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the > > steps I am > > doing > > > > 1) open OB. > > 2) go to String class, method printOn: > > 3) modify printOn: to this: > > > > printOn: aStream > > "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." > > > > self size < 100 > > ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] > > ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] > > > > 4) save it and put initials if asked. > > 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore > > it and > > select localize (the first option) > > 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. > > It can > > be just empty this method. > > 7) try to save > > 8) your image may be freeze :) > > > > > > Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I > > was at > > home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > > > >>> Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an > >>> image, > >>> to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > >>> I need more!! :) > >>> > >>> :) But does this happen also to you ? > >> > >> > >> In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: > >> String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo > >> => 60 > >> > >> Something more you want me to test ? > >> > >> Alexandre > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Mariano > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best regards, > >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Alexandre Bergel

The localize method is present neither in .dev image nor in a core. Alexandre On 5 May 2009, at 17:52, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the > steps I am doing > > 1) open OB. > 2) go to String class, method printOn: > 3) modify printOn: to this: > > printOn: aStream > "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." > > self size < 100 > ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] > ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] > > 4) save it and put initials if asked. > 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore > it and select localize (the first option) > 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. > It can be just empty this method. > 7) try to save > 8) your image may be freeze :) > > > Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I > was at home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an > image, > > to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > > I need more!! :) > > > > :) But does this happen also to you ? > > > In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: > String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo > => 60 > > Something more you want me to test ? > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Mariano, I think the problem is that since #localize is not implemented the system stops working because it depends on String>>printOn: (considering that source code is a string too...). If you first implement #localize and then implement #printOn: it seems to work ok. In any case, overriding String>>printOn: does not seem to be a good idea. HTH, Adrian On May 5, 2009, at 17:52 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the > steps I am > doing > > 1) open OB. > 2) go to String class, method printOn: > 3) modify printOn: to this: > > printOn: aStream > "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." > > self size < 100 > ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] > ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] > > 4) save it and put initials if asked. > 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore > it and > select localize (the first option) > 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. > It can > be just empty this method. > 7) try to save > 8) your image may be freeze :) > > > Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I > was at > home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > >>> Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an >>> image, >>> to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. >>> I need more!! :) >>> >>> :) But does this happen also to you ? >> >> >> In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: >> String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo >> => 60 >> >> Something more you want me to test ? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Mariano >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pier-EmailSender and "Contact Us"

by John M McIntosh

No, the intent is preserve the images as they are shipped see http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/ST80Docs.html & http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/SqueakDocs.html However if you have a script that removals all the *extra* things that people could run for server images that would be helpful at least to me, I realize that most folks don't care about 8MB, but on tiny devices that 8MB is golden... On 5-May-09, at 1:28 AM, stÃ©phane ducasse wrote: > John > > for your images did you remove tests and other unnecessary stuff? > The 10300 is 12.7mb without removing all kind of crap like the > scriptLoader and the tests. > I hope that we will be able to slowly get more and more modular: > once project/bookmorph are gone. > I imagine (did not read carefully the details of we got about the > chase of the unclosed handles) > that the startup behavior could be also improved. > > Stef > > On May 5, 2009, at 10:17 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: > >> Tsk, well I was off to bed, but thought I should make some notes. >> >> Last night I push out two electronic books showing smalltalk-80 >> based source code to Apple for iPhone review. >> One was based on the latest pharo of end of april 09 with closures >> the other based on the sq3.10.2-719web09.04.1.zip no closures. >> The two e-books apps are identical except for the code base. >> >> I dropped the wikiserver stuff into both, happy since the changes >> required were non-existent for pharo and one or two for sq3.10.2 >> >> (a) The sq3.10.2 version was missing some of the extra add-on Pier >> stuff, and has the LGPL Swazoo which makes some folks run for the >> fire exit. >> >> (b) The pharo image is 20.2 mb, the sq3.10.2 is 25.2 mb, so 5MB >> bigger. >> >> (c) The pharo image needed about 35mb of ram to be happy, the sq >> 3.10.2 about 40mb >> (c2) The pharo image ramps to the welcome screen using 19.23 mb >> ram, 97.12mb virtual >> (c3) The sq 3.10.2 image ramps using 19.05mb and 102.12 virtual. >> This makes sense because I avoid a full gc and doing allInstances, >> so the code base is really startup logic and seaside. >> (I had to fix the sq 3.10.2 image because of ignored bug using >> allInstances I reported years back, never fixed, but fixed in pharo >> last fall). >> >> (d) The pharo image needs 2.6 to 6.6% cpu on the iphone at idle, >> the sq 3.10.2 needs 8 to 18% >> (to be fair here I could bring some fixes into the 3.10.2 image to >> reduce the cpu time, but really those fixes should have gone in >> years ago...) >> >> (e) The sq 3.10.2 book feels sluggish. the pharo less so. So the sq >> 3.10.2 excessive CPU usage is the usability killer here. >> >> To be fair WikiServer is happy with 20MB of ram with a 10.5MB image >> size, and runs with a 0 to 0.9% cpu usage at idle, starup ram of >> 11.69, virtual memory of 90.34 >> Lots of hours to get there.. >> >> PS I see the etoys image is only 16.4 MB, well that doesn't include >> seaside etc, but if you need that you should start with etoys as >> the base and add pier and seaside, less bloated I'd guess, and >> supported for that etoy feature set you need? = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the steps I am doing 1) open OB. 2) go to String class, method printOn: 3) modify printOn: to this: printOn: aStream "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." self size < 100 ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] 4) save it and put initials if asked. 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore it and select localize (the first option) 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. It can be just empty this method. 7) try to save 8) your image may be freeze :) Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I was at home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( Cheers, Mariano On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > > Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an image, > > to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > > I need more!! :) > > > > :) But does this happen also to you ? > > > In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: > String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo > => 60 > > Something more you want me to test ? > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 5, 2009