April 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] hampering the desire of the VM and image to visit every object at startup time (multiple times)

by John M McIntosh

Well a PermSpace would be helpful since it would then avoid a GC which causes the header bits to change making all pages as written, and if the pages are written then the virtual memory system can't free the page under stress. However the real benefit here was that I actually never touch 6MB of objects, so they are never moved from Flash into dynamic RAM. So I do not need to find 1,600 pages of ram to hold pages which the application doesn't need. If I did an allInstances it would transverse PermSpace and bring all those 1600 pages into RAM, really want to avoid that. For example if the iPhone receives a phone call, it starts up a daemon to display a dialog asking if you want to answer or ignore, memory for that has to come from somewhere, or a double-click of the home key can bring up the iPod dialog prompt if the iPod audio app is running, again pages have to come from somewhere. With 700K of old objects, and about 5MB for young space it means the 4.5MB of image objects that is faulted in but not written, can be freed since a page fault will re-read them from the image file. On 14-Apr-09, at 11:02 AM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > 2009/4/14 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com>: >> Yes, so WikiServer ( http://www.mobilewikiserver.com ) is an image >> file of 10.5 MB. >> >> As startup only 4.5 MB of OOPS memory is faulted in, and about 700K >> of >> memory is altered, which reduces initial memory use by 6MB and >> reduces >> the startup time by 3+ seconds. >> Given the slow speed of the iPhone, and the fact I've a 64MB limit, >> 6MB is a lot, and 3 seconds is welcome. Unfortunately a full GC will >> fault all that 10.5 MB in, however by doing some GC tuning one >> can avoid a full GC until things are quite stressed. >> > > Wouldn't a VW-like PermSpace reduce the burden? > > Nicolas -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

April 14, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] hampering the desire of the VM and image to visit every object at startup time (multiple times)

by Nicolas Cellier

2009/4/14 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com>: > Yes, so WikiServer Â ( http://www.mobilewikiserver.com ) is an image > file of 10.5 MB. > > As startup only 4.5 MB of OOPS memory is faulted in, and about 700K of > memory is altered, which reduces initial memory use by 6MB and reduces > the startup time by 3+ seconds. > Given the slow speed of the iPhone, and the fact I've a 64MB limit, > 6MB is a lot, and 3 seconds is welcome. Unfortunately a full GC will > fault all that 10.5 MB in, however by doing some GC tuning one > can avoid a full GC until things are quite stressed. > Wouldn't a VW-like PermSpace reduce the burden? Nicolas

April 14, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] *overrides* in polymorph

by Gary Chambers

Will try to have a look tomorrow (the override does have the problem). Still waiting for a list of problematic overrides from the group... The infrastructure is in place to make some "Squeak only". This one can apply to both Squeak and Pharo though. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] *overrides* in polymorph > Hi gary > > It seems that I already fixed > SystemProgressMorph>>label:min:max: > so that the bloack argument is not written. > Can you check because if I redo it and it gets overridden I will have > the smae problem. > > stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 14, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] hampering the desire of the VM and image to visit every object at startup time (multiple times)

by John M McIntosh

Yes, so WikiServer ( http://www.mobilewikiserver.com ) is an image file of 10.5 MB. As startup only 4.5 MB of OOPS memory is faulted in, and about 700K of memory is altered, which reduces initial memory use by 6MB and reduces the startup time by 3+ seconds. Given the slow speed of the iPhone, and the fact I've a 64MB limit, 6MB is a lot, and 3 seconds is welcome. Unfortunately a full GC will fault all that 10.5 MB in, however by doing some GC tuning one can avoid a full GC until things are quite stressed. I note on os-x desktop machines the entire 10.5MB is read in and the pages marked as non-referenced, but obviously the rules for the virtual memory subsystem are different. First let me suggest we change writeImageFileIO /* header size in bytes; do not change! */ headerSize = 64; f = sqImageFileOpen(imageName, "wb"); from 64 bytes to 4096 bytes, if possible. Now let's explore why, and what is going on. on unix if you decide to use mmap versus malloc to allocate storage for oops space it does #define MAP_PROT (PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE) #define MAP_FLAGS (MAP_ANON | MAP_PRIVATE) mmap(0, heapLimit, MAP_PROT, MAP_FLAGS, devZero, 0) where heapLimit is usually 1GB, start location zero. This returns a start location somewhere in memory, never zero, and generally we have to swizzle all the object pointer. On a save and restart of the squeak app the address you get back *maybe* the same address, if it is the same we don't need to swizzle pointers, however OpenBSD based systems likely will always give a different location for security reasons. I had then set a start location of 128MB, but found on os-x as the number of apps goes up you don't get 128MB, so I settled on 500MB which seems ok. 8GB pro macs running 52 applications fail at 500MB, but the failure is it chooses it's own address, so we don't care... Well yes that limits your squeak image to 3.5GB but it's doubtful that a 32bit system will let you allocate a contiguous chunk of memory > 2 GB anyway. Now the next issue was the original memory allocation logic would give you the 1GB, and you would read the entire image into that memory area. In thinking about this I thought why can't you mmap to the image file for the size of the file rounded up to the page size, then mmap after that memory to anonymous memory upto the desired heapsize. So two mmaps, one for the file, followed by another for young space. I implemented this for the os-x vm and the iPhone VM. In testing with a 500 Mhz powerpc laptop, I found the startup time was reduced by 30% because it would fault in say a 20MB page by page as it did the needless flush primitive calls logic, versus reading the 20mb into memory, the virtual memory pager was just more efficient at pullling in the data either by better I/O processing, or faster logic in finding the free pages. Problems: It turns out there is a flaw in the OS-X BSD mmap logic when you mmap files on NFS drives, it hangs, and some people with I think overstressed systems reported issues with the first mmap failing. Because of this I reverted back to the old logic by default, and put a flag in the info.plist SqueakUseFileMappedMMAP to enable the new logic. Obviously for Linux you have to decide if this flaw exists and has not been fixed? Now the problem with headerSize In the file mmap case the entire file is mapped into memory at 500MB, but the oops space starts at 64 bytes, so memory is at 500MB+64 In the anonymous mmap case memory starts at 500MB, but the oops space starts at 0, so memory is at 500MB. If the headersize was 4096 we could mmap the file at 500MB-4096, Or alter the anonymous case we could allocate at 500MB but stick the oops space at 500MB +64 (header size). However by using a headerSize of 4096 we can then get the oops space to start on a page boundary, which may or may not have implications. Anyway it would be good to resolve this bit of tricky logic. I stuck the following code into ioRelinquishProcessorForMicroseconds() since ioRelinquishProcessorForMicroseconds will only get triggered once the image finishes all it's startup logic and becomes *idle*. So that I could determine how each page was viewed by the virtual memory subsystem. xtern unsigned char *memory; extern usqInt sqGetAvailableMemory(); extern size_t fileRoundedUpToPageSize; size_t pageSize= getpagesize(); size_t vmpagesize=sqGetAvailableMemory()/pageSize + 1; char *what = malloc(vmpagesize); int err = mincore(memory, sqGetAvailableMemory(), what); int countRef=0, countMod=0,countZero=0, countOne=0, i; for (i=0;i<fileRoundedUpToPageSize/pageSize;i++) { if(what[i] == 0) countZero++; if(what[i] == 1) countOne++; if(what[i] == 3) countRef++; if(what[i] == 7) countMod++; {break for debugging here} } free(what); On 14-Apr-09, at 1:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 14.04.2009, at 07:26, John M McIntosh wrote: > >> I created a pharo entry to track the problem the VM & image has in >> wanting to visit every smalltalk object multiple times at startup >> time. >> Athought this behavior is masked by Gigaherz processors, it's very >> evident as a problem on the iPhone. Fixing it results in reducing >> MB of RAM memory usage and saves actual "seconds* of clock time at >> startup. >> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=737&colspec=ID%20Type%20Sta… > > Very nice. We experimented in that direction for OLPC which also is > comparatively slow CPU wise, and even slower loading the whole image > from the flash disk (which involves decompressing). Mmapping only > the pages needed should give a considerable boost. > > Do we have evidence that an mmap base address of 500 MB works across > platforms? > > - Bert - > -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

April 14, 2009

[Pharo-project] MessageTally is not reentrant: I cannot RunProfiled some tests

by Nicolas Cellier

Some Debugger tests will open a Debugger... This will open/close a MessageTally... This will nil out some MessageTally class vars... This will prevent me to run some tests with profiler (Run Profiled button). This is http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=739 Workaround in PharoInbox/System-Tools-nice.4 Nicolas

April 14, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem with BlockClosure>>decompile

by Nicolas Cellier

Issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=738 and PharoInbox/Compiler-nice.96 Cheers 2009/4/14 Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com>: >> This is because #who was deprecated in squeak 3.9 and removed in pharo... >> ... but the closure work by Eliot is based on a 3.8 image... >> >> Solution is simple: replace: >> Â Â (homeClass := home who first) == #unknown ifTrue: [^ nil]. >> with: >> Â Â (homeClass := home methodClass) ifNil: [^ nil]. > > Thank you very much! > > -- > Dennis Schetinin > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 14, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem with BlockClosure>>decompile

by Dennis Schetinin

> > This is because #who was deprecated in squeak 3.9 and removed in pharo... > ... but the closure work by Eliot is based on a 3.8 image... > > Solution is simple: replace: > (homeClass := home who first) == #unknown ifTrue: [^ nil]. > with: > (homeClass := home methodClass) ifNil: [^ nil]. > Thank you very much! -- Dennis Schetinin

April 14, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem with BlockClosure>>decompile

by Nicolas Cellier

This is because #who was deprecated in squeak 3.9 and removed in pharo... ... but the closure work by Eliot is based on a 3.8 image... Solution is simple: replace: (homeClass := home who first) == #unknown ifTrue: [^ nil]. with: (homeClass := home methodClass) ifNil: [^ nil]. I note that in 3.8 #who did scan all the methodDictionary | sel | self systemNavigation allBehaviorsDo: [:class | (sel := class methodDict keyAtIdentityValue: self ifAbsent: [nil]) ifNotNil: [^Array with: class with: sel]]. ^Array with: #unknown with: #unknown But in 3.9 #who did rely only in hasNewPropertyFormat (a MethodProperty is put in last but one literal, receiver class is put in last literal) and would never scan... Nicolas 2009/4/14 Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com>: > ... because there is no method #who... Can anybody please help to fix it > quickly? TIA > > -- > Dennis Schetinin > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 14, 2009

[Pharo-project] New Pharo-dev based on 10277

by Damien Cassou

http://pharo-project.org/download -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

April 14, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Universe browser on Damien's dev image

by Damien Cassou

2009/4/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > There is something I don't understand. Which is the diference between: > > ScriptLoader new installingXXXÂ Â Â (example: ScriptLoader new > installingUniverse) > > and > > ScriptLoader loadXXXÂ Â Â (example: ScriptLoader loadFFI)) > > > If it is the same, shouldn't we decide only one way to to this ? I agree this is the same and should be cleaned. However, the ScriptLoader is for the core developers only, not for end-users. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

April 14, 2009