April 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Swapping mouse buttons on 10289

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2009/4/22 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > Hi guys, > > I just loaded the newest pharo-dev, together with Exupery VM from link > on pharo website but I cannot swap the mouse button on preferences at > all. If I click swapMouseButtons enabled and save, right mouse still > doesn't work. What can be the problem? > > I'm on openSuse 11.1, KDE and so far swapping the mouse works both on > the squeak and previous Pharo images. Is there some problem with new VM? > The same to me in Ubuntu 8.10 with exupery and pharo-dev 10289 > > Best regards > Janko > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > AIDA/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 22, 2009

[Pharo-project] Swapping mouse buttons on 10289

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi guys, I just loaded the newest pharo-dev, together with Exupery VM from link on pharo website but I cannot swap the mouse button on preferences at all. If I click swapMouseButtons enabled and save, right mouse still doesn't work. What can be the problem? I'm on openSuse 11.1, KDE and so far swapping the mouse works both on the squeak and previous Pharo images. Is there some problem with new VM? Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

April 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo windows hanging ...

by Igor Stasenko

2009/4/22 stepken <stepken(a)web.de>: > Igor Stasenko wrote: > > Â > This is because all do-its executed in process, which responsible from > Â > handling UI events. > Â > To avoid 'hanging' you can just do like following: > Â > [ do what you need ] fork. > > Oh, yes! > > Then i commanded a Full GC. I had to clean some 16 MByte Smalltalk stuff > on my Notebook. 15 Seconds I had to wait, till my keystrokes and mouse > events were accepted back again by Pharo GUI. > > Well, in the meantime, the seaside process was unresponsive. > > Ok, no real problem. Customers can wait and I have my coffee breaks ;-) > > World Wide Wait with Seaside Servers on Pharo ... > this is not a particularily Pharo issue. Squeak VM employs a green threading model which means that only a single process can be active at a single point of time, and the order how they proceed are determined by scheduler. I understand the reasons of your sarcasm, yes.. its not perfect! Many, many code in Squeak (and consequently in Pharo) is naively implemented (including UI), and without concurrency in mind. But this is not the only UI framework which hates the concurrency - take a look at "groundbreaking" Mac OS :) > Sorry, no access to The Salty Spitoon .... (not yet) ;-) > > Have fun, Guido Stepken > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Going Alpha

by Marcus Denker

On 22.04.2009, at 05:17, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> Ok for me . >>>> Let us now target beta. >>> >>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT? >> >> this is still there but who will do it? > > You did a great job in the last weeks! > indeed! > I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he > will have more time again. Yes, I will definitely be more active again soon. It's interesting how much cognitive bandwith is occupied by a move to another culture... Marcus -- Marcus Denker - http://marcusdenker.de PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

April 22, 2009

[Pharo-project] Pharo windows hanging ...

by stepken

Igor Stasenko wrote: > This is because all do-its executed in process, which responsible from > handling UI events. > To avoid 'hanging' you can just do like following: > [ do what you need ] fork. Oh, yes! Then i commanded a Full GC. I had to clean some 16 MByte Smalltalk stuff on my Notebook. 15 Seconds I had to wait, till my keystrokes and mouse events were accepted back again by Pharo GUI. Well, in the meantime, the seaside process was unresponsive. Ok, no real problem. Customers can wait and I have my coffee breaks ;-) World Wide Wait with Seaside Servers on Pharo ... Sorry, no access to The Salty Spitoon .... (not yet) ;-) Have fun, Guido Stepken

April 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Going Alpha

by Adrian Lienhard

On Apr 22, 2009, at 19:31 , Michael Roberts wrote: > I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published > build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can > seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out > updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I > was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy > to see progress. That would be very helpful. Thanks, Adrian > I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete > :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this > area. > Thanks mike > On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> I do not remember I will check. >> And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of >> guidance. >> >> Stef >> >> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>> Ok for me . >>>>>> Let us now target beta. >>>>> >>>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT? >>>> >>>> this is still there but who will do it? >>> >>> You did a great job in the last weeks! >>> >>> I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said >>> he >>> will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can >>> help with this task. >>> >>> Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to >>> get >>> to the scripts etc. because I don't know)? >>> >>> Adrian >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Damien Cassou >>>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Going Alpha

by Michael Roberts

I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this area. Thanks mike On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I do not remember I will check. > And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of > guidance. > > Stef > > On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> >> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> Ok for me . >>>>> Let us now target beta. >>>> >>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT? >>> >>> this is still there but who will do it? >> >> You did a great job in the last weeks! >> >> I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he >> will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can >> help with this task. >> >> Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get >> to the scripts etc. because I don't know)? >> >> Adrian >> >>> >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo windows unresponsive while busy?

by Igor Stasenko

2009/4/22 stepken <stepken(a)web.de>: > Hi! > > When i paste that stuff into workspace, let it run, all other open windows tasks freeze. (Windows XP, newest VM, newest Pharo patches) > > That makes Pharo pretty unusable for programming, testing, debugging ... > > I think, there are still some serious problems hidden (design problem?) downunder, which have to be solved ... > > regards, Guido Stepken > This is because all do-its executed in process, which responsible from handling UI events. To avoid 'hanging' you can just do like following: [ do what you need ] fork. > > > > > > > packages := PackageOrganizer default packages > > Â Â select: [ :each | #('Collections' 'Kernel') includes: each packageName ]. > > browserEnvironment := SelectorEnvironment new label: 'Seaside Methods'. packages do: [ :package | > > Â Â package methods > > Â Â Â Â do: [ :method | browserEnvironment addClass: method actualClass > > selector: method methodSymbol ] ]. browserEnvironment open > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 22, 2009

[Pharo-project] Pharo windows unresponsive while busy?

by stepken

Hi! When i paste that stuff into workspace, let it run, all other open windows tasks freeze. (Windows XP, newest VM, newest Pharo patches) That makes Pharo pretty unusable for programming, testing, debugging ... I think, there are still some serious problems hidden (design problem?) downunder, which have to be solved ... regards, Guido Stepken packages := PackageOrganizer default packages select: [ :each | #('Collections' 'Kernel') includes: each packageName ]. browserEnvironment := SelectorEnvironment new label: 'Seaside Methods'. packages do: [ :package | package methods do: [ :method | browserEnvironment addClass: method actualClass selector: method methodSymbol ] ]. browserEnvironment open

April 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] what is the short cut key for getting the world menu on windows? tx

by Igor Stasenko

2009/4/22 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > What is the also the shortcut key to do Â doit? > alt-d (and if you have ctrl == alt , or have them swapped in prefs, then ctrl-d should also work) > Stef > On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:43 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 22, 2009