March 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Thread problem

by Igor Stasenko

2009/3/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Hi all > > I'm working on a threadSafeTranscript and I could not understand why > the following code > does not print something else than > > Â Â Â Â 1*100-102-103-104-105-106-107-108-109-110- > > |tt| > tt := Transcript. > [1 to: 10 do: [:i | tt show: i printString; show: '*'. > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Processor yield ]. > Â Â Â Â tt flush Â Â Â Â ] Â fork. > [100 to: 110 do: [:i | tt show: i printString; show: '-'. > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Processor yield Â ]. > Â Â Â Â tt flush Â Â Â Â ] fork. > What you expecting from it? If you imagine that Processes running in parallel, then numbers can be in any order , as well as * and - characters. Or you mean, that it eating 2-10 numbers which should be printed? In this case, the source of inconsistency could be the #flush method. But its hard to say, without looking at source code. > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Namespaces for Squeak

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I think class GUID is orthogonal to namespace. I still would be able to argue really why GUID for classes are good (I mean really scientifically). Stef On Mar 28, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Markus Fritsche wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> if you want to have a modular system then sharing a falt space is not >> ideal. > >>> Which walls? Ambiguity? > > I just think if the approach of Craig, using something like GUIDs > during > Class creation, and then referring to those GUIDs would be more > practical > than to use namespaces. > > Namespaces proved to be a pain in the ass with several > implementations, as > your "import *" example shows. We need to circumvent that... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 29, 2009

[Pharo-project] TreadSafeTranscript proposal

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi I would really like that we get a threadSafeTranscript so I coded one. If you can comment this would help me. Stef

March 29, 2009

[Pharo-project] Thread problem

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all I'm working on a threadSafeTranscript and I could not understand why the following code does not print something else than 1*100-102-103-104-105-106-107-108-109-110- |tt| tt := Transcript. [1 to: 10 do: [:i | tt show: i printString; show: '*'. Processor yield ]. tt flush ] fork. [100 to: 110 do: [:i | tt show: i printString; show: '-'. Processor yield ]. tt flush ] fork. Stef

March 29, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Namespaces for Squeak

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

if you want to have a modular system then sharing a falt space is not ideal. On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Markus Fritsche wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Note that I do not want to argue on the necessity of namespace >> because we >> will hit the wall one of these days without them. > > Which walls? Ambiguity? > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 28, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Namespaces for Squeak

by Markus Fritsche

StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > if you want to have a modular system then sharing a falt space is not > ideal. >> Which walls? Ambiguity? I just think if the approach of Craig, using something like GUIDs during Class creation, and then referring to those GUIDs would be more practical than to use namespaces. Namespaces proved to be a pain in the ass with several implementations, as your "import *" example shows. We need to circumvent that...

March 28, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Namespaces for Squeak

by Igor Stasenko

2009/3/28 Markus Fritsche <fritsche.markus(a)gmx.net>: > StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Note that I do not want to argue on the necessity of namespace because we >> will hit the wall one of these days without them. > > Which walls? Ambiguity? > yup > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 28, 2009

[Pharo-project] Clickable icons are really cool

by Alexandre Bergel

Thanks David Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 28, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Better documenting and consistency

by Alexandre Bergel

This is a very good point. Maybe the code of Pharo could be dump somewhere on the web. Cyrille worked on a SmalltalkDoc no? Alexandre On 28 Mar 2009, at 15:45, Damien Pollet wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:14, Serge Stinckwich > <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> In fact the examples are inside a Smalltak image. You have to explore >> and learn by reading the code. > > Yes but that's the bootstrap problemâ¦ Google doesn't index senders and > implementors :) > I think what would be nice here is for the next generation of > SqueakSource to make it easy to google and browse code/comments > online. Sourcetalk is a nice start, though it still has the non-REST > seasidish URLs. > > -- > Damien Pollet > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 28, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Better documenting and consistency

by Damien Pollet

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:14, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In fact the examples are inside a Smalltak image. You have to explore > and learn by reading the code. Yes but that's the bootstrap problemâ¦ Google doesn't index senders and implementors :) I think what would be nice here is for the next generation of SqueakSource to make it easy to google and browse code/comments online. Sourcetalk is a nice start, though it still has the non-REST seasidish URLs. -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

March 28, 2009