February 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Oddly, I spent some time this AM marveling at how responsive the whole thing has become with the world redraw (or whatever it was) fix. I have the recent dev image with ecompletion and column auto focus off and fast draw enabled, and it's pretty quick "even" with the Vistary theme. That's on a machine that _should_ be quick, but with XP and loads of anti-malware, it drags a bit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Alexandre Bergel Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:12 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning > Was just wondering how to collate any UI issues that arise rather > than any > immediate help. The main problem I see is the time to grab a window. The focus is not preserved, meaning that I need to hold the moose button without moving for a little while before being able to drag it. But I guess everybody is aware of that. Cheers, Alexandre > > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning > > >> Hi Gary, >> >> I have a little knowledge in UI. However, I am willing to spend a >> couple of hours to help you. The great work you did warmly deserve >> it. >> How can I help? >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> >> On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:47, Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> I think we could do with a more structured way of describing UI >>> suggestions/wants. >>> Maybe on the issues tracker or a wiki or something else. >>> >>> Thoughts invited. >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

[Pharo-project] launching a unix command

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear List, I am looking for a simple way (without having to download the dozens of OSProcess classes) to lunch a unix command. I simply need to execute a "open filename" Ã la OSX, where filename will be provided by Pharo. Damien P told me that the OSProcess plugin is now packaged with the VM... Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Igor Stasenko

2009/2/24 Jerome <jerome(a)minusfreun.de>: > It seems Andika has a higher line-spacing because it takes characters > with multiple stacked unicode diacritics[2] into account which would > be clipped otherwise[1]. If this is deemed not aceptable, there exists > the SIL Type Tuner, which can change the line-height easily. [3] > Unfortunatly I have no windows system. > here the .xml config produced by running: TypeTuner.exe -x and.xml AndBasR.ttf So, there is <feature name="Line spacing" value="Normal"> and possible values <value name="Normal"/> <value name="Tight"/> <value name="Loose"/> <value name="Imported"/> i can try to rebuild font using 'Tight' line spacing. But i don't want to install this font on my windoze box. Is squeak/freetype allows to load a truetype font from directory where vm located? > [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika_FAQ… > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic > [3] http://scripts.sil.org/TypeTuner > > Am 24.02.2009 um 16:55 schrieb Igor Stasenko: > >> 2009/2/24 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: >>> That's just down to the fact that textstyles are applied on opening >>> of >>> browsers/morphs. >>> Reopening the browsers should sort it. >>> >>> The slight other concern I have with this font is the apparently >>> excessive >>> line spacing, not as compact as, say, Arial. >>> >> >> Does anyone knows, how/where line height is calculated? >> Maybe this code does not takes font DPI in account, or assuming a >> fixed dpi which is mismatching with screen dpi. >> >> >> >>> Regards, Gary >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire(a)ofset.org> >>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo >>> >>> >>> Can it be related to a problem I saw recently with text string >>> inappropriately clipped toward the end (string length calculus seems >>> too short of 1 or 2 pixels)? >>> I can see it in last release when using deja vue font for example. >>> >>> It does not show up in #194 however. >>> >>> Hilaire >>> >>> >>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>>>>> On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird >>>>>> with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better >>>>>> in pharo than in gnome :) >>>>>> >>>>> seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And it >>>>> using old font height to calculate line heights. >>>>> >>>> If I would have changed the font after opening the window I couldn't >>>> see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window. >>>> You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough >>>> space through the big line height. In the class browser it is >>>> somehow >>>> cut off. >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> screenshot is attached. >>>>>> >>>>>> Norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and >>>>>>> Free- >>>>>>> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who >>>>>>> brought us >>>>>>> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika >>>>>>> as the >>>>>>> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and >>>>>>> looks a >>>>>>> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the Andika >>>>>>> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in >>>>>>> southeastern >>>>>>> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have a look: >>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika >>>>>>> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JÃ©rÃ´me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > JÃ©rÃ´me Agater > j.agater(a)uni-oldenburg.de > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning

by Alexandre Bergel

> Was just wondering how to collate any UI issues that arise rather > than any > immediate help. The main problem I see is the time to grab a window. The focus is not preserved, meaning that I need to hold the moose button without moving for a little while before being able to drag it. But I guess everybody is aware of that. Cheers, Alexandre > > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning > > >> Hi Gary, >> >> I have a little knowledge in UI. However, I am willing to spend a >> couple of hours to help you. The great work you did warmly deserve >> it. >> How can I help? >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> >> On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:47, Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> I think we could do with a more structured way of describing UI >>> suggestions/wants. >>> Maybe on the issues tracker or a wiki or something else. >>> >>> Thoughts invited. >>> >>> Regards, Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning

by Gary Chambers

Given that your mail to the list has arrived... I seem to be having problems with email, specifically my responses not getting though to me (although, looking at Nabble, that's not all). What a pain. Checked the spam folder online and not there either. Was just wondering how to collate any UI issues that arise rather than any immediate help. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning > Hi Gary, > > I have a little knowledge in UI. However, I am willing to spend a > couple of hours to help you. The great work you did warmly deserve it. > How can I help? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:47, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> I think we could do with a more structured way of describing UI >> suggestions/wants. >> Maybe on the issues tracker or a wiki or something else. >> >> Thoughts invited. >> >> Regards, Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Jerome

It seems Andika has a higher line-spacing because it takes characters with multiple stacked unicode diacritics[2] into account which would be clipped otherwise[1]. If this is deemed not aceptable, there exists the SIL Type Tuner, which can change the line-height easily. [3] Unfortunatly I have no windows system. [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika_FAQ… [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic [3] http://scripts.sil.org/TypeTuner Am 24.02.2009 um 16:55 schrieb Igor Stasenko: > 2009/2/24 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: >> That's just down to the fact that textstyles are applied on opening >> of >> browsers/morphs. >> Reopening the browsers should sort it. >> >> The slight other concern I have with this font is the apparently >> excessive >> line spacing, not as compact as, say, Arial. >> > > Does anyone knows, how/where line height is calculated? > Maybe this code does not takes font DPI in account, or assuming a > fixed dpi which is mismatching with screen dpi. > > > >> Regards, Gary >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire(a)ofset.org> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo >> >> >> Can it be related to a problem I saw recently with text string >> inappropriately clipped toward the end (string length calculus seems >> too short of 1 or 2 pixels)? >> I can see it in last release when using deja vue font for example. >> >> It does not show up in #194 however. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>>>> On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird >>>>> with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better >>>>> in pharo than in gnome :) >>>>> >>>> seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And it >>>> using old font height to calculate line heights. >>>> >>> If I would have changed the font after opening the window I couldn't >>> see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window. >>> You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough >>> space through the big line height. In the class browser it is >>> somehow >>> cut off. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> screenshot is attached. >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and >>>>>> Free- >>>>>> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who >>>>>> brought us >>>>>> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika >>>>>> as the >>>>>> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and >>>>>> looks a >>>>>> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same >>>>>> time >>>>>> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the Andika >>>>>> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in >>>>>> southeastern >>>>>> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a look: >>>>>> [2] >>>>>> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika >>>>>> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png >>>>>> >>>>>> JÃ©rÃ´me >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> -- >> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > JÃ©rÃ´me Agater j.agater(a)uni-oldenburg.de

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] UI gripes planning

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Gary, I have a little knowledge in UI. However, I am willing to spend a couple of hours to help you. The great work you did warmly deserve it. How can I help? Cheers, Alexandre On 24 Feb 2009, at 17:47, Gary Chambers wrote: > I think we could do with a more structured way of describing UI > suggestions/wants. > Maybe on the issues tracker or a wiki or something else. > > Thoughts invited. > > Regards, Gary > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 24, 2009

[Pharo-project] UI gripes planning

by Gary Chambers

I think we could do with a more structured way of describing UI suggestions/wants. Maybe on the issues tracker or a wiki or something else. Thoughts invited. Regards, Gary

Feb. 24, 2009

[Pharo-project] 10243: error related to OB in the transcript

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! When I accept methods definition in OB, I have some printout: ERROR: SAXCModule class>>superSenderSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>overridesSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>conflictsSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>suppliedSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>superSenderSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>overridesSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>conflictsSelectors ERROR: SAXCModule class>>suppliedSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>superSenderSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>conflictsSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>overridesSelectors ERROR: CAnalyzerTest class>>suppliedSelectors Maybe this is related to the dynamic protocol recently introduced (which is an excellent thing). I use a 10243. Issue #607 Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)]

by Rob Rothwell

Ok, thanks for all the feedback! On the ScreenController side, the basic use that was left was to turn full screen mode on and off and query the current state to build World Menus and TheWorldMainDockingBar. There was also something specifically written to deal with Mac plugin calls in the System package: shouldUsePluginAPI "HTTPClient shouldUsePluginAPI" self isRunningInBrowser ifFalse: [^false]. self browserSupportsAPI ifFalse: [^false]. "The Mac plugin calls do not work in full screen mode" ^((SmalltalkImage current platformName = 'Mac OS') and: [Display isFullScreen]) not and that was about it... Take care, Rob On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>wrote: > And let me know what changes... will likely affect Polymorph. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damien Cassou" <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; <rjriv(a)sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the > painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)] > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > No problem. I'd like to do more, I am just currently best suited towards > > these types of "menial" tasks! I would be happy to do things like this > > within my scope abilities if anyone has need of my help. > > Sure, have a look at the issue tagged with TASK: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=task > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 24, 2009