February 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Dealing with incompatibility (was: Re: MIMEdatabase fix?)

by Michael Rueger

slightly shorter it is the fork in the road: are you committing to Pharo or Squeak? So lessen or rather delay the pain for larger projects like Seaside we could agree on postponing changes like MIME (patching it up for now) and Unicode/ParagraphEditor until after 1.0. Michael

Feb. 24, 2009

[Pharo-project] Dealing with incompatibility (was: Re: MIMEdatabase fix?)

by Michael Rueger

changing the subject for better threading Michael Rueger wrote: > > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> Ok I will have a look. >> >> I was probably silly Well, basically the Kom package is in the old Squeak tradition of mangling the system until it seems fit. The number and kind of extensions all over the system make it more or less incompatible with the MIME (and other) changes in the current Pharo image. This is a situation we will increasingly encounter when we start to really deliver on the promise of cleaning up the system: packages will become incompatible to an extent that we can't -and shouldn't or rather must not- patch around. Polymorph is the next candidate regarding the unicode changes as it touches the same areas of the system. Comments? Michael _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

by Michael Rueger

Michael Rueger wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> Ok I will have a look. >> I was probably silly Well, basically the Kom package is in the old Squeak tradition of mangling the system until it seems fit. The number and kind of extensions all over the system make it more or less incompatible with the MIME (and other) changes in the current Pharo image. This is a situation we will increasingly encounter when we start to really deliver on the promise of cleaning up the system: packages will become incompatible to an extent that we can't -and shouldn't or rather must not- patch around. Polymorph is the next candidate regarding the unicode changes as it touches the same areas of the system. Comments? Michael

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)]

by Michael Rueger

Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Related to ParagraphEditor is to add a new keyboard shortcut to > trigger the autocompleter (the one that is in the core and previously > was triggered by control-q, not ECompletion). > > This is issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=439 > > I had a quick look yesterday but since it seems to require some > hacking in the existing code and since ParagraphEditor is changing, I > stopped. Probably somebody more knowledgeable of this part of the > system would be faster. Any takers? I'll take a look Michael

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)]

by Adrian Lienhard

Related to ParagraphEditor is to add a new keyboard shortcut to trigger the autocompleter (the one that is in the core and previously was triggered by control-q, not ECompletion). This is issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=439 I had a quick look yesterday but since it seems to require some hacking in the existing code and since ParagraphEditor is changing, I stopped. Probably somebody more knowledgeable of this part of the system would be faster. Any takers? Adrian On Feb 24, 2009, at 18:46 , Michael Rueger wrote: > Gary Chambers wrote: >> And let me know what changes... will likely affect Polymorph. > > Most likely nothing. > The ParagraphEditor stuff though touches quite a few things, I'll > try to > make a list once I've sorted out the changes. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Adrian Lienhard

I looked at Andika with Marcus yesterday, and we both had the impression that Bitstream Vera fits better. Is there any advantage to the Andika font? Andika does not seem to provide a monotype too. Adrian On Feb 24, 2009, at 18:25 , Igor Stasenko wrote: > 2009/2/24 Jerome <jerome(a)minusfreun.de>: >> It seems Andika has a higher line-spacing because it takes characters >> with multiple stacked unicode diacritics[2] into account which would >> be clipped otherwise[1]. If this is deemed not aceptable, there >> exists >> the SIL Type Tuner, which can change the line-height easily. [3] >> Unfortunatly I have no windows system. >> > here the .xml config produced by running: > TypeTuner.exe -x and.xml AndBasR.ttf > > So, there is > <feature name="Line spacing" value="Normal"> > and possible values > <value name="Normal"/> > <value name="Tight"/> > <value name="Loose"/> > <value name="Imported"/> > > i can try to rebuild font using 'Tight' line spacing. > But i don't want to install this font on my windoze box. Is > squeak/freetype allows to load a truetype font from directory where vm > located? > > >> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika_FAQ… >> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic >> [3] http://scripts.sil.org/TypeTuner >> >> Am 24.02.2009 um 16:55 schrieb Igor Stasenko: >> >>> 2009/2/24 Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: >>>> That's just down to the fact that textstyles are applied on opening >>>> of >>>> browsers/morphs. >>>> Reopening the browsers should sort it. >>>> >>>> The slight other concern I have with this font is the apparently >>>> excessive >>>> line spacing, not as compact as, say, Arial. >>>> >>> >>> Does anyone knows, how/where line height is calculated? >>> Maybe this code does not takes font DPI in account, or assuming a >>> fixed dpi which is mismatching with screen dpi. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Regards, Gary >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire(a)ofset.org> >>>> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo >>>> >>>> >>>> Can it be related to a problem I saw recently with text string >>>> inappropriately clipped toward the end (string length calculus >>>> seems >>>> too short of 1 or 2 pixels)? >>>> I can see it in last release when using deja vue font for example. >>>> >>>> It does not show up in #194 however. >>>> >>>> Hilaire >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>>>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>>>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>>>>>> On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird >>>>>>> with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better >>>>>>> in pharo than in gnome :) >>>>>>> >>>>>> seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And >>>>>> it >>>>>> using old font height to calculate line heights. >>>>>> >>>>> If I would have changed the font after opening the window I >>>>> couldn't >>>>> see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window. >>>>> You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough >>>>> space through the big line height. In the class browser it is >>>>> somehow >>>>> cut off. >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> screenshot is attached. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Norbert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and >>>>>>>> Free- >>>>>>>> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who >>>>>>>> brought us >>>>>>>> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika >>>>>>>> as the >>>>>>>> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and >>>>>>>> looks a >>>>>>>> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the >>>>>>>> Andika >>>>>>>> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in >>>>>>>> southeastern >>>>>>>> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have a look: >>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika >>>>>>>> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JÃ©rÃ´me >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>> project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> JÃ©rÃ´me Agater >> j.agater(a)uni-oldenburg.de >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > <and.xml>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Towards Pharo 1.0

by John M McIntosh

Well the current macintosh VM has the support code in it. I can't speak for the windows or unix version. Oomeone *has* to review the alien compiler changes and confirm they are ok, Yesterday I realized there were three class vars missing from ParseNode and 1 method from MethodNode. That I have fixed. The Pharo team has to decided if they want to make Alien (or some FFI) product part of the base system, versus the current thought of only loading FFI if you understand you need it. For Sophie loading FFI in to the base app then let us build components subclassed by operating system to provide functionality faster than doing primitives, and of course modifiable by any smalltalker. On 24-Feb-09, at 5:36 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi john > > what is the work to be done to get alien in pharo? > > Stef -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the painor ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)]

by Michael Rueger

Gary Chambers wrote: > And let me know what changes... will likely affect Polymorph. Most likely nothing. The ParagraphEditor stuff though touches quite a few things, I'll try to make a list once I've sorted out the changes. Michael

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] MIMEdatabase fix?

by Michael Rueger

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Ok I will have a look. > I was probably silly I'll have a look. Apologies, got distracted by the unicode stuff... Michael

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Removing ScreenController [was: Aaah, the pain or ParagraphEditor refactoring ; -)]

by Adrian Lienhard

On Feb 24, 2009, at 16:26 , Damien Cassou wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Rob Rothwell > <r.j.rothwell(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> No problem. I'd like to do more, I am just currently best suited >> towards >> these types of "menial" tasks! I would be happy to do things like >> this >> within my scope abilities if anyone has need of my help. > > Sure, have a look at the issue tagged with TASK: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=task ...or even better the issues for Milestone 1.0: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone%3A1.0 Adrian

Feb. 24, 2009