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Re: [Pharo-project] Presentation

by Adrian Lienhard

Alex, could you post a new version afterwards? I'll then take another look and give you further feedback, if you want. We can also put the slides on the web page. Cheers, Adrian On Feb 5, 2009, at 21:31 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > I will take your comments into account, thanks Doru > > Alexandre > > > On 5 Feb 2009, at 20:08, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi Alex, >> >> Nice idea. Here are a couple of things you could improve: >> >> - I would replace the front page with just the logo and the url. >> >> - use a white background because the screenshots will look better as >> they have behind a white background that looks ugly due to the >> rounded >> corners of the windows (see for example slide 7). Alternatively, you >> can set the background of the Pharo image to black and retake the >> screenshots. >> >> - in any case, the motif of the background does not help. >> >> - Slide 2 is weak and tries to do too much. The text in parantehesis >> is not needed given that your audience is new to Smalltalk. What is >> Seaside? I would suggest to make a dedicated part of the presentation >> Seaside-related. The line in italics is confusing. Use the logo >> instead of the title. Remove the bullets :). In fact, I would make >> the >> logo appear in the same place as on the previous slide, and only >> change the text. This will make for a nice transition. >> >> - the screenshot on Slide 6 has too small fonts >> >> - On Slide 7 you use centered text, but everywhere else you use left >> aligned text. Stick with the left aligned one. >> >> - Slide 12 needs some alignment. I would suggest to make the blue >> regions the same width and height and align them vertically. >> >> - Also, I think the font of the white text from slide 12 is not as >> light as it is in the rest of the presenation. >> >> - The explanations in red on slide 13,14 are too small and not useful >> like that. Make them bigger. Potentially you can also use animations >> to introduce them. >> >> - Slide 15 needs alignment >> >> - The green in Slide 16 does not look nice :). If you replace the >> black background with white, it will fit better. Alternatively, you >> have to edit the diagram again in omnigraffle and make white on >> black. >> In fact you anyway have to edit the diagram to make it use the same >> font as in the presentation (which I guess is Helvetica Neue Light) >> >> - Slide 17 needs alignment >> >> - Slide 18 is not so useful. >> >> - Slide 19 has too many messages. What does that mean strong >> community? >> >> - No need for the bullets on Slide 20 >> >> - I won't say anything about slide 21 :) >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: >> >>> Alexandre, >>> >>> That looks pretty good. I would probably get the debugger to show >>> itself off just a bit more - if only by picking a more interesting >>> method for the source pane. >>> >>> You said that all control structures are realized by message sends. >>> Is >>> that really true? What about optimizations? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >>> University of Florida >>> Department of Anesthesiology >>> PO Box 100254 >>> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 >>> >>> Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu >>> Tel: (352) 273-6785 >>> FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> >>>>>> Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr 02/05/09 12:32 PM >>> >>> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than >>> 30 >>> minutes the essence of Pharo. >>> Please, shot at me, I like that :-) >>> >>> http://bergel.eu/Pharo.pdf >>> >>> I provide the .keynote upon request. >>> >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing should have the right to be different." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Michael Roberts

did anyone answer this question about the warnings? I believe they are new compiler warnings which was discussed in another thread. I'm a bit out of date, i'm not sure we implemented a conclusion? My vote is with these not being forced by the compiler but using the code critic as Lukas suggested. Or as you say, presenting them all at the end. i get these too loading Cryptography packages so it is not a convenient default behaviour. thanks, Mike 2009/2/1 Tudor Girba <girba(a)iam.unibe.ch>: > There was a warning complaining that some instance variable is in > capital letter.

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Presentation

by Alexandre Bergel

I will take your comments into account, thanks Doru Alexandre On 5 Feb 2009, at 20:08, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Nice idea. Here are a couple of things you could improve: > > - I would replace the front page with just the logo and the url. > > - use a white background because the screenshots will look better as > they have behind a white background that looks ugly due to the rounded > corners of the windows (see for example slide 7). Alternatively, you > can set the background of the Pharo image to black and retake the > screenshots. > > - in any case, the motif of the background does not help. > > - Slide 2 is weak and tries to do too much. The text in parantehesis > is not needed given that your audience is new to Smalltalk. What is > Seaside? I would suggest to make a dedicated part of the presentation > Seaside-related. The line in italics is confusing. Use the logo > instead of the title. Remove the bullets :). In fact, I would make the > logo appear in the same place as on the previous slide, and only > change the text. This will make for a nice transition. > > - the screenshot on Slide 6 has too small fonts > > - On Slide 7 you use centered text, but everywhere else you use left > aligned text. Stick with the left aligned one. > > - Slide 12 needs some alignment. I would suggest to make the blue > regions the same width and height and align them vertically. > > - Also, I think the font of the white text from slide 12 is not as > light as it is in the rest of the presenation. > > - The explanations in red on slide 13,14 are too small and not useful > like that. Make them bigger. Potentially you can also use animations > to introduce them. > > - Slide 15 needs alignment > > - The green in Slide 16 does not look nice :). If you replace the > black background with white, it will fit better. Alternatively, you > have to edit the diagram again in omnigraffle and make white on black. > In fact you anyway have to edit the diagram to make it use the same > font as in the presentation (which I guess is Helvetica Neue Light) > > - Slide 17 needs alignment > > - Slide 18 is not so useful. > > - Slide 19 has too many messages. What does that mean strong > community? > > - No need for the bullets on Slide 20 > > - I won't say anything about slide 21 :) > > > > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > >> Alexandre, >> >> That looks pretty good. I would probably get the debugger to show >> itself off just a bit more - if only by picking a more interesting >> method for the source pane. >> >> You said that all control structures are realized by message sends. >> Is >> that really true? What about optimizations? >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >> University of Florida >> Department of Anesthesiology >> PO Box 100254 >> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 >> >> Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu >> Tel: (352) 273-6785 >> FAX: (352) 392-7029 >> >>>>> Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr 02/05/09 12:32 PM >>> >> >> Dear List, >> >> I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than 30 >> minutes the essence of Pharo. >> Please, shot at me, I like that :-) >> >> http://bergel.eu/Pharo.pdf >> >> I provide the .keynote upon request. >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing should have the right to be different." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Presentation

by Alexandre Bergel

Thanks Doru and Adrian, I will take your comments into account > What is the target audience? For now, the largest audience possible. Next time I go to a conference, I want to have some slides that I can print out and distribute. > Will you use it as visuals for a talk or is it also supposed to make > sense if someone reads the slides himself? That will be the idea. > Links: you forgot the website. ;) In general I would point to the web > site so that we have one entry point, e.g., for downloads use http://www.pharo-project.org/download Ok, I will add this. Alexandre > > > Cheers, > Adrian > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 18:32 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> >> Dear List, >> >> I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than 30 >> minutes the essence of Pharo. >> Please, shot at me, I like that :-) >> >> http://bergel.eu/Pharo.pdf >> >> I provide the .keynote upon request. >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Presentation

by Alexandre Bergel

> You said that all control structures are realized by message sends. > Is > that really true? What about optimizations? I think this is detail. I first try to get a base that people can reuse to advertise Pharo. Thanks for your nice words Cheers, Alexandre > > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >>>> Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr 02/05/09 12:32 PM >>> > > Dear List, > > I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than 30 > minutes the essence of Pharo. > Please, shot at me, I like that :-) > > http://bergel.eu/Pharo.pdf > > I provide the .keynote upon request. > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Presentation

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Alex, What is the target audience? Will you use it as visuals for a talk or is it also supposed to make sense if someone reads the slides himself? Links: you forgot the website. ;) In general I would point to the web site so that we have one entry point, e.g., for downloads use http://www.pharo-project.org/download Cheers, Adrian On Feb 5, 2009, at 18:32 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > Dear List, > > I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than 30 > minutes the essence of Pharo. > Please, shot at me, I like that :-) > > http://bergel.eu/Pharo.pdf > > I provide the .keynote upon request. > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Download not working

by Marcus Denker

On 05.02.2009, at 17:49, Michael Rueger wrote: > P.S. > it also seems the one-click isn't linked directly from the Pharo site? The one-click needs to be updated, I think... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Presentation

by Tudor Girba

Hi Alex, Nice idea. Here are a couple of things you could improve: - I would replace the front page with just the logo and the url. - use a white background because the screenshots will look better as they have behind a white background that looks ugly due to the rounded corners of the windows (see for example slide 7). Alternatively, you can set the background of the Pharo image to black and retake the screenshots. - in any case, the motif of the background does not help. - Slide 2 is weak and tries to do too much. The text in parantehesis is not needed given that your audience is new to Smalltalk. What is Seaside? I would suggest to make a dedicated part of the presentation Seaside-related. The line in italics is confusing. Use the logo instead of the title. Remove the bullets :). In fact, I would make the logo appear in the same place as on the previous slide, and only change the text. This will make for a nice transition. - the screenshot on Slide 6 has too small fonts - On Slide 7 you use centered text, but everywhere else you use left aligned text. Stick with the left aligned one. - Slide 12 needs some alignment. I would suggest to make the blue regions the same width and height and align them vertically. - Also, I think the font of the white text from slide 12 is not as light as it is in the rest of the presenation. - The explanations in red on slide 13,14 are too small and not useful like that. Make them bigger. Potentially you can also use animations to introduce them. - Slide 15 needs alignment - The green in Slide 16 does not look nice :). If you replace the black background with white, it will fit better. Alternatively, you have to edit the diagram again in omnigraffle and make white on black. In fact you anyway have to edit the diagram to make it use the same font as in the presentation (which I guess is Helvetica Neue Light) - Slide 17 needs alignment - Slide 18 is not so useful. - Slide 19 has too many messages. What does that mean strong community? - No need for the bullets on Slide 20 - I won't say anything about slide 21 :) Cheers, Doru On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Bill Schwab wrote: > Alexandre, > > That looks pretty good. I would probably get the debugger to show > itself off just a bit more - if only by picking a more interesting > method for the source pane. > > You said that all control structures are realized by message sends. > Is > that really true? What about optimizations? > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >>>> Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr 02/05/09 12:32 PM >>> > > Dear List, > > I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than 30 > minutes the essence of Pharo. > Please, shot at me, I like that :-) > > http://bergel.eu/Pharo.pdf > > I provide the .keynote upon request. > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing should have the right to be different."

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Presentation

by Bill Schwab

Alexandre, That looks pretty good. I would probably get the debugger to show itself off just a bit more - if only by picking a more interesting method for the source pane. You said that all control structures are realized by message sends. Is that really true? What about optimizations? Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> Alexandre.Bergel(a)inria.fr 02/05/09 12:32 PM >>> Dear List, I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than 30 minutes the essence of Pharo. Please, shot at me, I like that :-) http://bergel.eu/Pharo.pdf I provide the .keynote upon request. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Download not working

by Michael Rueger

Marcus Denker wrote: > I changed the link to use http, not https. And I linked to 218. Thanks, that works now! Michael

Feb. 5, 2009