December 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Beginner question :) search and replace in String

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Dec 31, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Adrian Kuhn wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@...> writes: > >> this is fun because I was looking for the same recently and it worked >> like a charm with me. > > Mebbe my image is foobar. > > Anyway, the +10 bounty for a regex solution is still open! > > BTW, how do you search for operations involving none literal object with > method finder? You can I tried once with Date .... but you have to recreate the object via its representation (Date readFrom: '22 December 2009) kind of . Stef > > --AA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 31, 2009

[Pharo-project] Solving the documentation problem. Capturing tacit knowledge. Knowledge reuse.

by Stan Shepherd

Situation ----------- Pharo/Squeak is potentially a very productive development environment. It has not achieved the widespread use in production systems that we feel it deserves. Complication ----------------- The Pharo world relies on a few people with a lot of knowledge. Starting to use Pharo means relying on those people to provide the knowledge they have. The knowledge that is transferred this way is not captured for reuse. Lack of documentation is usually cited by people evaluating Pharo/Squeak for new projects. For example "#addScript: and #addStyle: are actually ment for internal use. It is currently used by the methods WAComponent>>#styles and WAComponent>>#scripts." http://n4.nabble.com/Script-in-head-tag-td98415.html This is not in the comments. It is tacit knowledge. I'm sure you know of similar examples; they are not rare. Resolution ------------- If documentation maintenance were separated from code maintenance, this tacit knowledge could be captured immediately, by the person who requested it. Maintaining documentation then becomes largely a task for the users of the system. Action -------- One possible mechanism would be to place comments in a wiki. For each class, and each method of that class, there would be a corresponding wiki section. Any user could update the comment at any time. The developer/maintainer of that class could revert any inaccurate edits with one click. Incorrect edits would not affect the function of a method, hence no requirements to unit test / integration test. Commits of code would ideally also update the wiki comment section. There is obviously potential for some problems here, but a wiki structure would make it easy to identify/reconcile parallel edits. When a build happens, a process would update the source with latest comments from the wiki. Plan ---- I'd be willing to put some time into a proof of concept, if people agree that it's worthwhile and they would use it. Any thoughts? ...Stan P.S. Other areas that could be maintained this way: Welcome information workspace on download images. Known problems. (Examples of class use) ... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Solving-the-documentation-problem-Capturing-tacit-know… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Benoit St-Jean

I suggest that, at a minimum, we specify on which platform each developer intends to test. ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) ________________________________ From: Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 7:29:46 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!! Ok....thanks to all. I created this page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters We only need the confirmation from Demian. Have a happy new year! Mariano ps: leaving to paris :) On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: Count on me as well Mariano. > >>Alexandre > > > >>On 31 Dec 2009, at 12:40, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Tudor Girba >>> <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to participate (within some time constraints). >>> >>> Excellent. No, there will not be any time constraints. I say just a >>> few days, to express that we need really test it, at least for a >>> several hours. All of us are doing this as a Hobie. So, not press. >>> The worst thing that can happens is that the rest of the testers >>> test it, (you don't) and the image is released. >>> But there is no problem at all, next image :) >>> >>> >>> I can test >>> the loading and the development of Moose in that image. I am working >>> on a Mac. >>> >>> >>> Cool!! But the problem is not only the load, but the use in itself. >>> Look, the script seemed to work. I "loaded" everything, but then.... >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> On 31 Dec 2009, at 12:12, Stan Shepherd wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Ok, you already know the idea. Damien, or the person that build the >>> >> next >>> >> Pharo dev and web images will send those Pharo beta testers a >>> private >>> >> email >>> >> with the link to download the image. No ANN and now update is done >>> >> yet to >>> >> the website. Then the betatesters use that image as much as >>> >> possible for a >>> >> couple of days. Report bugs if necessary and if it is ok, the image >>> >> is >>> >> released. >>> >> >>> >> Regarding the list of beta testers would be perfect if we cover the >>> >> combination of OS (Linux, Mac, Windows) and the browser (OB, O2). >>> >> But we >>> >> cannot pretend too much. Take into account that not all the people >>> >> can >>> >> work >>> >> with a new image very easily because they have to migrate data >>> >> ...etc..Others can just download the project from MC and start to >>> >> work :) >>> >> >>> >> So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to >>> >> know: >>> >> OS, >>> >> VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, >>> >> I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. >>> >> >>> >> - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, OB, >>> >> 32 >>> >> bits >>> >> - Stan Shepherd >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? >>> >> >>> >> cheers and happy new year!! >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Pharo-project mailing list >>> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >>> > Ubuntu 9.04, >>> > VM: unix - i686 - linux-gnu - Pharo0.1 of 16 May 2008 [latest >>> update: >>> > #10074] >>> > Web >>> > OB (would also used package browser if working) >>> > 32 bit >>> > ...Stan >>> > >>> > -- >>> > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-testers-WE-NEED-YOU-tp4235920p4235982.html >>> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Pharo-project mailing list >>> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, >>> one might have better chances to win by moving slower." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >-- >>_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Pharo-project mailing list >Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. 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Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] I still don't understand how this work

by Lukas Renggli

> Ok...suppose this was the case (thanks for the explanation!)...shouldn't be > "dirty" in the Monticello Browser???Â Â Why after seeing the changes it is > dirty? I think that anyway, this is a bug. Yeah, that's a long standing subtle bug in the change notification of Monticello (class side of MCPackageManager). Treat the dirty flag as a quick hint. You only get the proof if you calculate the changes. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 1721: Refactoring appears to be broken in web dev image. e.g. OBClassNode(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #dynamicProtocols

by Stan Shepherd

David RÃ¶thlisberger-2 wrote: > > > >> May be you can contact david probably on holidays to see how we can >> make progress? >> I know that we can publish in david repository so may be a lot of >> the problems are simple glicth. >> Having a configuration for O2 would be good. > >> What I am not sure, David, can you confirm this ? is if what we talk >> in our private email a about the O2-Refactory (the problem we still >> have) is the same problem we are talking here. Because, in my opinion, >> one thing is just to depend and another thing is to depend and override. >> If there are overrides, it matters the order and a lot more stuff. >> That's why I am asking you :) >> >> Is it the same? I hope so :) > > I do not know, I cannot reproduce this bug (1721) in > pharo1.0-10502-rc1web09.12.2. > You say in the bug report you can reproduce it neither? So what is the > problem you > get and how can I reproduce it? > I see in the attached stack trace from the creator of 1721 that his bug > has something > to do with dynamic protocols, but I cannot see the cause from the strack > trace. > > I need to know which Pharo version, which browser version and which > packages are > loaded to reproduce and locate the problem. > It might or might not be related to the problem we discussed, I can't tell > yet. > > Cheers, > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > To reproduce: Screenshots http://www.flickr.com/photos/8185994@N03/sets/72157623107648594/ pharo1.0-10502-rc1web09.12.2 Left click world, class browser - (menu about shows OBSystemBrowser) Left click AST-Core-Matching Left click RBParseTreeRule Middle click RBParseTreeRule menu slide to refactoring scope menu slide to package Brings up browser - (menu about shows OR2PackageBrowser) Left click AST-Core-Matching Left click RBParseTreeRule - walkback Same with all packages/classes tried Cheers, ...Stan -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/We-need-to-do-something-seriously-WAS-Fwd-Issue-1721-R… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Beginner question :) search and replace in String

by Adrian Kuhn

StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@...> writes: > this is fun because I was looking for the same recently and it worked > like a charm with me. Mebbe my image is foobar. Anyway, the +10 bounty for a regex solution is still open! BTW, how do you search for operations involving none literal object with method finder? --AA

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Developer guide ... ?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, This would certainly be a good thing to have, but I don't think we should rest until we can work through OpenSSL to benefit from their maintenance efforts. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:16 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Developer guide ... ? > > SSL is useful, though most of the time it's used for HTTPS, and we > have the cURL plugin to handle that. And you're right, the > Cryptography team doesn't exists anymore, the code was abandoned, but > the Croquet guys picked it up and fixed a few bugs in it, though it > still has some. The code is available here: > http://croquet-src-01.oit.duke.edu:8886/Contributions.html > (Note that without the DESPlugin the implementation is really > slooooooooooow) thanks for the pointer. May be we should package it again and make it available. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] We need to do something, seriously!!!! [WAS] Fwd: Issue 1721: Refactoring appears to be broken in web dev image. e.g. OBClassNode(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #dynamicProtocols

by David RÃ¶thlisberger

> May be you can contact david probably on holidays to see how we can > make progress? > I know that we can publish in david repository so may be a lot of > the problems are simple glicth. > Having a configuration for O2 would be good. > What I am not sure, David, can you confirm this ? is if what we talk > in our private email a about the O2-Refactory (the problem we still > have) is the same problem we are talking here. Because, in my opinion, > one thing is just to depend and another thing is to depend and override. > If there are overrides, it matters the order and a lot more stuff. > That's why I am asking you :) > > Is it the same? I hope so :) I do not know, I cannot reproduce this bug (1721) in pharo1.0-10502-rc1web09.12.2. You say in the bug report you can reproduce it neither? So what is the problem you get and how can I reproduce it? I see in the attached stack trace from the creator of 1721 that his bug has something to do with dynamic protocols, but I cannot see the cause from the strack trace. I need to know which Pharo version, which browser version and which packages are loaded to reproduce and locate the problem. It might or might not be related to the problem we discussed, I can't tell yet. Cheers, David

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] I still don't understand how this work

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > But.....this showed me several changes!!! > > > > I attach a picture. > > > > So....what's the problem here ? > > Looks like some other package (presumably O2-Standard) has overrides > in OB-Standard. > > Ok...suppose this was the case (thanks for the explanation!)...shouldn't be "dirty" in the Monticello Browser??? Why after seeing the changes it is dirty? I think that anyway, this is a bug. What do you think ? > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo testers.... WE NEED YOU!!!

by Alexandre Bergel

Thanks for your effort Alexandre On 31 Dec 2009, at 13:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Ok....thanks to all. I created this page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ListOfBetaTesters > > We only need the confirmation from Demian. > > Have a happy new year! > > Mariano > > ps: leaving to paris :) > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > Count on me as well Mariano. > > Alexandre > > > On 31 Dec 2009, at 12:40, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Tudor Girba > > <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to participate (within some time constraints). > > > > Excellent. No, there will not be any time constraints. I say just a > > few days, to express that we need really test it, at least for a > > several hours. All of us are doing this as a Hobie. So, not press. > > The worst thing that can happens is that the rest of the testers > > test it, (you don't) and the image is released. > > But there is no problem at all, next image :) > > > > > > I can test > > the loading and the development of Moose in that image. I am working > > on a Mac. > > > > > > Cool!! But the problem is not only the load, but the use in itself. > > Look, the script seemed to work. I "loaded" everything, but then.... > > > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > On 31 Dec 2009, at 12:12, Stan Shepherd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > >> > > >> Ok, you already know the idea. Damien, or the person that build > the > > >> next > > >> Pharo dev and web images will send those Pharo beta testers a > > private > > >> email > > >> with the link to download the image. No ANN and now update is > done > > >> yet to > > >> the website. Then the betatesters use that image as much as > > >> possible for a > > >> couple of days. Report bugs if necessary and if it is ok, the > image > > >> is > > >> released. > > >> > > >> Regarding the list of beta testers would be perfect if we cover > the > > >> combination of OS (Linux, Mac, Windows) and the browser (OB, O2). > > >> But we > > >> cannot pretend too much. Take into account that not all the > people > > >> can > > >> work > > >> with a new image very easily because they have to migrate data > > >> ...etc..Others can just download the project from MC and start to > > >> work :) > > >> > > >> So...here is the list, if you offer yourself, it would be cool to > > >> know: > > >> OS, > > >> VM version, Dev or Web, browser you usually work, 32 o 64 bits, > > >> I will then collect this and I will put it in the wiki. > > >> > > >> - Mariano Martinez Peck. Mac OS, Squeak 4.2.2beta1U.app, Dev, > OB, > > >> 32 > > >> bits > > >> - Stan Shepherd > > >> > > >> > > >> WHO ELSE IS IN THE LIST ?? > > >> > > >> cheers and happy new year!! > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Pharo-project mailing list > > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >> > > > Ubuntu 9.04, > > > VM: unix - i686 - linux-gnu - Pharo0.1 of 16 May 2008 [latest > > update: > > > #10074] > > > Web > > > OB (would also used package browser if working) > > > 32 bit > > > ...Stan > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Pharo-testers-WE-NEED-YOU-tp4235920p4235982.html > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > > one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 31, 2009