December 2009 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] squeak VM 5.0

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! I just tried Squeak.5.0.0.b9.64*64.app.zip, but I was not able to run a pharo core on it. I have a MacBookPro 10.5.8. I do not know whether this is helpful or not. Feel free to ask more info about my config. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] christmas coding parties?

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

I expect you folks make the scheduling invitation giving the time in UTC, so I can check my availability ;-) Em 04/12/2009 17:21, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com > escreveu: why not?Â Â If skype is reachable from where we are, I have no problem :) Ahh the time ;)Â Take into consideration the difference between your time and our. Best, Mariano On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM, <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: Is there a means of joining via Skype and/or IRC? Em 04/12/2009 09:57, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > escreveu: Hi all I would like to organize a couple of coding parties around christmas. The 18 of december? is one possibility (even if I can only start at 11h). So if some of you are close to lille during holidays we could have fun coding together. I would like to organize a moose day too. I want to code what I have in mind with CAnalyzer and mondrian. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] macintosh cocoa 32/64bit & 64/64bit VM goes BETA

by John M McIntosh

On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> john needs beta testers....Do not forget >> I know that we are all terribly busy. >> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero... Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series. Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter... -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] about keys returning a set

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

I see. . . this is an interesting observation (about the performance penalty) on the issues of going really OO. In retrospect I think (once the concerns about the possibility of changing the semantics of the returned object) this is the way to go. We really need to have a competitive (in terms of raw computing performance) system! Em 04/12/2009 16:46, Lukas Renggli < renggli(a)gmail.com > escreveu: Yeah, this was my first attempt, but this implementation is ways slower. The block activations with #collect: matters. My implemebtation only calls primitives or inlined constructs. Not nice to look at, but as fast as it can get. Lukas

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: for mondrian designers

by John M McIntosh

If you can stick the image/changes somewhere with instructions and send me a link, then I'll at least check to see why the plugin won't load. At least on the macintosh. Or if you are using the macintosh you should alter the info.plist of the macintosh VM you are using and set SqueakDebug to 1 Then it will print stuff to the console, like why a plugin didn't load. On 2009-12-04, at 5:52 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> why don't you read the pharo list. >> I mentioned that I extracted the packages from Sophie and published >> them in PharoTaskForces. > > I am talking about the plugin, not the Pharo packages. I was able to > load them without problem. > But I cannot run the example because of the plugin problem. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > >> >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I just give a try to load Cairo. >>> First, I went to http://www.squeaksource.com/Rome.html and >>> downloaded what is suggested. >>> Then I went to http://www.cairographics.org and downloaded cairo, >>> and used my unix skills to compile it properly. Some of the Rome >>> demo works, but most of them need the RomePlugin is apparently >>> needed. Unfortunately, I cannot find this plugin. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On 4 Dec 2009, at 07:18, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>>>> So consider to have a look at the cairo package in >>>>>>> PharoTaskForces because it will not come to you alone :) >>>> >>>> What exactly should I load from PharoTaskForces to get Cairo? >>>> >>>> I see several Rome related packages, but which ones are needed? Is >>>> there a load script? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at >>>> them." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] christmas coding parties?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

why not? If skype is reachable from where we are, I have no problem :) Ahh the time ;) Take into consideration the difference between your time and our. Best, Mariano On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:52 PM, <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: > Is there a means of joining via Skype and/or IRC? > > > Em 04/12/2009 09:57, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > escreveu: > > > Hi all > > I would like to organize a couple of coding parties around christmas. > The 18 of december? is one possibility (even if I can only start at 11h). > So if some of you are close to lille during holidays we could have fun > coding > together. > > I would like to organize a moose day too. I want to code what I have in > mind > with CAnalyzer and mondrian. > > Stef > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] macintosh cocoa 32/64bit & 64/64bit VM goes BETA

by John M McIntosh

On 2009-12-04, at 10:24 AM, Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez wrote: >> The VM currently runs on 10.5.x and 10.6.x Support for 10.4.x might happen, we will see. > > So this is only for macs. Is that right? yes > When the code is integrated with the squeakvm svn code there will be any > chance of having it run on other OS (GNU/Linux is my own). Or this will > only work for Macs? > > Anyway, thanks. Ok, there are a number of issues on the table (a) confirming the base VM and internal plugins work. For example sound, the jpeg2readwriter, etoys security, did not work because it looked like people wanting to compile as 64bit didn't care if it did sound or rendered jpegs. Typically I think they just wanted a 64bit platform for Seaside server usage. (b) Making it all work on external plugins, ie for example rome and freetype2 (c) Some people have asked can you take the code base and run on Gnu/Linux using the GNU Objective-C environment? Well the code base *is* tied to platform specific technology for the iPhone & OSX for sound, display, and sensor input. However you can subclass override all that behaviour with code that does the right thing for sound, display, and sensor input. I have to do that anyway to provide variations between os-x and iPhone. But really I think the question here is reuse of the common code base, lots of that, Sockets for example is generic unix code so yes the goal is to make the *entire* common code base 64bit clean compile-able on various unix like platforms, versus just the minimum required to run Seaside > > -- > Miguel CobÃ¡ > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] about keys returning a set

by Nicolas Cellier

See also http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1353 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1542 I uploaded a SLICE that just add a few #asSet here and there. Quasi-neutral as long as keys are Set, but enabling a switch to Array for macro benchmarks purposes... May I also push http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1354 which is related but quite independent ? Nicolas 2009/12/4 <csrabak(a)bol.com.br>: > I think this last assertion has to be tempered by another statistic: which is > the relationship between iteration (a.k.a. uses of) and creation? > > -- > Cesar Rabak > > > Em 04/12/2009 09:48, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escreveu: > > > this is interesting to see that this is still a guess game. > Even with these numbers I cannot evaluate what could be a slowdown/pseed up > impact on the complete system. I imgain that the ietration slow down should be minimal > and compensated by the creation speed up. > May be in the future when system will have a better knowledge of themselves > we may end up having better tools... > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] How do I know which issues are resolved in each new release?

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Marcus, This brings a question to me: is there a sort of API or web service we could use (obviously for calling from inside Pharo) to post at the Pharo's Twitter account? I surmise that doing that for the blog would be 'easier' :-) -- Cesar Rabak Em 04/12/2009 10:09, Marcus Denker < denker(a)acm.org > escreveu: Hello, Yes, we should improve information on what changed.... I would want to have a changelog for any image that is downloaded. And we should use the Blog. And Twitter. And. And. We will do all that, but not today :-) Marcus

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] christmas coding parties?

by csrabak＠bol.com.br

Is there a means of joining via Skype and/or IRC? Em 04/12/2009 09:57, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > escreveu: Hi all I would like to organize a couple of coding parties around christmas. The 18 of december? is one possibility (even if I can only start at 11h). So if some of you are close to lille during holidays we could have fun coding together. I would like to organize a moose day too. I want to code what I have in mind with CAnalyzer and mondrian. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 4, 2009